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Kingtheninja posted:So a weird thing the subtitles printed, during the scene where Picard and laris were talking at the bar. I forget where it was said, but someone noticed that her tablet looked like it had a romulan interface on it?
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Apr 7, 2022 20:52
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Picard isn't dead. Souls are 100% transferable to new bodies in Star Trek. He's no more dead than Spock in Star Trek IV, or Gray, or Culber, or literally any character who has ever gone through a transporter. souls don't exist in real life and therefore aren't a requirement for being alive anyway
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Apr 7, 2022 20:56
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Considering how this season has been going in terms of callbacks, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not Renee who is important but Dr. Ramirez because Rios' infatuation with her seems similar to Kirk's with Edith Keeler. It might not be the case but that seems possible since Picard is in the messed up future and Dr. Ramirez might have had some impact like Gabriel Bell. It's also possible they saved her and that messed up the timeline, like Keeler, and she has to die
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Apr 7, 2022 21:01
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I am becoming more convinced that Q’s gently caress up was creating a predestination paradox involving Picard and co creating the Confederate timeline in the first place. Like he’s going mad being trapped in an endless time loop somehow and at some point he just decided “gently caress it, I’ll just do a Terminator on Renee and stop JL and the Federation from existing in the first place.”
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Apr 7, 2022 21:32
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HD DAD posted:Kore never Googled her dad because she’s probably like 2 weeks old and had her memories implanted somehow. Kore never googled her dad for the same reason I never googled my dad. Why would I? He's not suddenly acting extremely weird or anything! If he suddenly started acting cryptically weird then I might Google him! Well, I'd probably use Bing actually, the show I'm in is produced by Sony
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Apr 7, 2022 21:38
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The trope of opening in media res and then going <X units of time ago> rarely works and there was no exception here
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Apr 7, 2022 21:42
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Charity Porno posted:The trope of opening in media res and then going <X units of time ago> rarely works and there was no exception here I was just glad the episode didn't end at the beginning
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Apr 7, 2022 21:49
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Kore never googled her dad for the same reason I never googled my dad. Why would I? He's not suddenly acting extremely weird or anything! If he suddenly started acting cryptically weird then I might Google him! That's good, get those Bing points so you can get some extra Amazon bucks when you go on the run after you find out your dad cloned you and the hill in your backyard is your hundreds of dead sisters' graves
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Apr 7, 2022 22:29
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Watching Picard talking to Renee at the gala, I'd almost forgotten how amazing he is at inspiring people. Star Trek was never good at handling mental illness but I guess a two minute pep talk now cures depression, yikes. I also don't understand the timeline of how Picard was saved, they were suddenly at the clinic. Considering the circumstances there is nothing to suggest they just beamed everyone over and even if we handwave it away and say they did then why is noone wondering where Jurati is? And this is of course just one problem of many in this episode, not to mention the bizarre musical out of nowhere. This show is just as bad as Discovery in finding its own tone. You want to be campy? Ok, be campy but then you can't be so dramatic and expect the audience to buy your speeches and highest possible stakes.
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Apr 7, 2022 22:45
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I don’t think this show even remotely takes itself as seriously as Discovery does. This is Star Trek: Scooby Doo, and it’s pretty consistently stayed in campy romp territory I feel.
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Apr 7, 2022 23:02
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HD DAD posted:I don’t think this show even remotely takes itself as seriously as Discovery does. This is Star Trek: Scooby Doo, and it’s pretty consistently stayed in campy romp territory I feel. It's just that nobody shuts up about Icheb and the eye thing from last year, so on SA it just feels like it's constantly miserable and melodramatic (because this thread is constantly miserable and melodramatic  )
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Apr 7, 2022 23:12
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I'm trying to imagine how I'd feel if the kindly old man who just gave me an inspiring pep talk about facing my fear was then immediately Joe Black'd by a Tesla.
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Apr 7, 2022 23:15
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm trying to imagine how I'd feel if the kindly old man who just gave me an inspiring pep talk about facing my fear was then immediately Joe Black'd by a Tesla. Let's be honest, even the pep talk was very meh. It also continues to be just weird how Picard's mother is suddenly something Picard can't stop talking about. It's just so poorly setup as a plot point. His mother is now super important to Picard because they decided she is but there was no inciting incident for Picard to have such a focus on here. A better show would have done SOME groundwork for that in S1 or at least bothered to create such an incident at the beginning of this season but instead it's just there... (for some reason Picard suddenly developed an unresolved trauma) nine-gear crow posted:It's just that nobody shuts up about Icheb and the eye thing from last year, so on SA it just feels like it's constantly miserable and melodramatic (because this thread is constantly miserable and melodramatic But this thread also creates better drama than the actual show. 
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Apr 7, 2022 23:24
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LinkesAuge posted:Star Trek was never good at handling mental illness but I guess a two minute pep talk now cures depression, yikes. Bad faith reading of the scene aside, as someone with chronic depression I have absolutely had someone talk me into doing specific tasks I was feeling dread about using kind words.
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Apr 7, 2022 23:53
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm trying to imagine how I'd feel if the kindly old man who just gave me an inspiring pep talk about facing my fear was then immediately Joe Black'd by a Tesla. I'd hope they catch the motherfucker who was behind the wheel and prosecute him for (hopefully attempted) vehicular manslaughter and then make sure the first words I beam back to Earth from Europa are "gently caress Elon Musk." E: Actually that would be hilarious if suddenly Actual Consequences ensued and the Europa mission was delayed for like 9 months because the mission's pilot had to testify as the star witness in the criminal trial of famous eugenicist billionaire Dr. Adam Soong. Q accomplishes his goal because the United States legal system is slow and it sucks. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Apr 8, 2022 00:17
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nine-gear crow posted:I'd hope they catch the motherfucker who was behind the wheel and prosecute him for (hopefully attempted) vehicular manslaughter and then make sure the first words I beam back to Earth from Europa are "gently caress Elon Musk." Don't worry, since this is a TV show, it'll be resolved in a single courtroom battle where Dr. Soong admits to everything after Columbo solves the case.
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Apr 8, 2022 00:32
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I insist that they go get the Data head in San Francisco and whip him up a body with a 3D printer and Data and Adam Soong fight for the fate of humanity atop the Vasquez Rocks in the season finale.
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Apr 8, 2022 00:36
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It'd have been better if there were some incident that reminded him about his mother, but I didn't mind him bringing up his mother. They've been playing the same scenes over and over again, though. Was that a Silurian, Reman, or some other alien in that flashback?
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Apr 8, 2022 00:41
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I'm going over it again in my head, and I can't comprehend the thought process that lead to shadows of the night.
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Apr 8, 2022 00:45
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm going over it again in my head, and I can't comprehend the thought process that lead to shadows of the night. The Borg Queen probably passively downloaded every single song off the internet when she came to in 2024, and it turns out that she LOVES Pat Benatar.
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Apr 8, 2022 00:48
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Gonz posted:I insist that they go get the Data head in San Francisco and whip him up a body with a 3D printer and Data and Adam Soong fight for the fate of humanity atop the Vasquez Rocks in the season finale. Station.
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Super Deuce posted:Station. Station.
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm going over it again in my head, and I can't comprehend the thought process that lead to shadows of the night. "surrender all your dreams to me tonight" was referential to her way of tempting Jurati, at least galenanorth fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Apr 8, 2022 01:07
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Charity Porno posted:Bad faith reading of the scene aside, as someone with chronic depression I have absolutely had someone talk me into doing specific tasks I was feeling dread about using kind words. I wrote this exactly because I have to deal with the same issue (and another family member that deals with schizophrenic depression which is even a lot worse) and I'm sure you should also know that it's a constant battle but the implication of the show is a rather simplistic take and it didn't earn any other reading. It also doesn't address the fact that it's obviously nonsensical to talk someone into such a mission who has depression and makes you also wonder how someone like her could even be on such a mission (mental health evaluations for this kind of job are taken seriously). So maybe this point is nitpicky but it's just another thing on the pile of things that are just so surface level in this show. If you really care about such a topic then explore it properly and put some effort in your storytelling because else it just doesn't deserve more than a "bad faith reading". Maybe it's a personal thing but it just really annoys me if mental health problems are used in such a lazy way (it contributes to a poor understanding of the issue in general). I doubt the writers even know what exactly Renee has outside of "generic mental health issue that can be just anything" which is always a convenient TV sickness solved by a few kind words.
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Apr 8, 2022 01:18
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm going over it again in my head, and I can't comprehend the thought process that lead to shadows of the night. I half expected Batman and Robin to start bidding on her.
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Apr 8, 2022 01:23
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Modern Star Trek stuff for the Modern Star Trek thread https://twitter.com/NASASpaceSci/status/1511363687126339586
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galenanorth posted:It'd have been better if there were some incident that reminded him about his mother, but I didn't mind him bringing up his mother. They've been playing the same scenes over and over again, though. Was that a Silurian, Reman, or some other alien in that flashback? He wrote a speech about his mother in ep 1 and then was having intimacy problems with a woman that forced him to think about the trauma he has never dealt with.
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oh, right, yeah. Sometimes I think I'm too suggestible to whichever was the last forum post I read
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Arglebargle III posted:Modern Star Trek stuff for the Modern Star Trek thread Moon Lung
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SpeakSlow posted:Moon Lung No that’s when you get your lungs stolen by aliens
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Apr 8, 2022 01:56
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Was First Contact Day chosen to be 4/5 as a play on 5/4 Star Wars Day? 
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Josh Lyman posted:Was First Contact Day chosen to be 4/5 as a play on 5/4 Star Wars Day? No. quote:Star Trek: First Contact co-writer Ronald D. Moore chose the date for first contact in honor of his son, Jonathan, whose birthday is April 5th. (Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 1, p. 273); (AOL chat, 1997))
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Apr 8, 2022 02:24
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Incredibly weird episode. Goofy enough to still be fun despite some nonsense plot details and minor bits of dressing, some of which Star Trek has done before, like Jurati talking to herself at a normal speaking volume in a crowded room and somehow no one notices, I feel like every previous series has done a version of that, most notably Ezri arguing with Joran on DS9, other odd moments probably would've felt at home in a comedy like Lower Decks and not so much in a drama, spotlight tech and live band just rolling with Jurati's karaoke and no one else not even venue security batting an eye at it. I think I hate that song like Worf hated Irving Berlin. Years ago I worked a graveyard shift and the afternoon manager would leave the radio on when she left, with the controls locked away in the office, so none of us night crew goons could turn it off or change the station, and I'm almost positive that song or one of its covers was in the regular rotation for all three years I was there. Just goddamned maddening. Solid performance in this episode at least, Agnes got pipes Anyway, the pep talk and some nice smaller moments with the various character pairings also helped elevate this episode a bit, especially Rios geeking out over real cigars and real matches. Definitely not one of the standout episodes this season but not bad. Definitely agree with speculation upthread that the true divergence could be any one of like three or four things: Jurati getting Borg'd and wandering off, Adam Soong messing around with his Rei Ayanami collection with Q's backing, or Rios getting too close to Teresa, and Renee Picard just happens to be tangentially connected to those other possible inflection points. Renee was still Q's original target, but his loss of control and the La Sirena crew not exactly playing the scenario according to Starfleet standard has spun off the situation in a bunch of directions he didn't anticipate
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Wait how the heck are there even more Soongs after this guy only having a science experiment existential crisis baby??
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I'm to the point I almost think none of the 2024 stuff is real and Q is so sick that he has crafted this entire fantasy about "Renee Picard" based off of knowing "Rene Picard" was an important person to JLP (dead Edit: I'm going to double down on this. Picard knows obscure historical trivia like Gary 7, and on TNG he talked about his ancestors multiple times, but he asks NotLariss "tell me about Renee." I think Q is pulling things like Rene's name, Lariss' image, Picard's historical nerdery and crafted this elaborate fantasy that he either lost control of, or never had. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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I did appreciate that not-Laris had a servo (the magic ballpoint pen that does everything) that's at least reminiscent of Gary Seven's. On another topic, I don't see why a 21st-century doctor with a gurney and a defibrilator would do a better job than a 25th-century EMH with a biobed and a replicator. Yes, yes, I know, it's because they needed to get that character back into the story.
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They had an out too. "My ship could save him, but I don't know how much of that ship is mine." Boom done.
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Powered Descent posted:On another topic, I don't see why a 21st-century doctor with a gurney and a defibrilator would do a better job than a 25th-century EMH with a biobed and a replicator. Yes, yes, I know, it's because they needed to get that character back into the story. I guess that if the biobed alone couldn't help Elnor, the crew might not have faith in it helping Picard either, plus there's a good chance the Confederate La Sirena has no EMH and/or its power systems are still too unreliable. But yeah, the other thing.
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Charity Porno posted:I'm to the point I almost think none of the 2024 stuff is real and Q is so sick that he has crafted this entire fantasy about "Renee Picard" based off of knowing "Rene Picard" was an important person to JLP (dead It's difficult to express how little sense this would make and how fundamentally unsatisfying this would be.
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