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MaiaN posted:In what way? Also, were they from French Catalonia or Spanish (heh) Catalonia? My extended family is all pro independence and, yeah, as a movement they're super naive as to how the real world works, but they're not at all about SovCit. Spanish Catalonians in France. In the same way that SovCits exhibit a fundamental misunderstanding about laws and legality, they also seemed oblivious to the fact that the separatists almost started a low-key civil war. quote:Also one of the politicians that ended up in prison got shredded on BBC's HARDTalk, it was hilarious. He waltzed in thinking the interviewer would be kind and a captive audience and that about sums up the political ken of the leadership. I remember reading an article by a separatist leader who was a professor in Scotland and just couldn't believe it when the Spanish government issued a warrant for her arrest. The amount of proclaimed victimhood was cringe worthy.
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Cimber posted:Any actual war news the past few days, or is it consolidating lines and turning into a long drawn out slog which is going to last for 18 months before they withdraw to the prewar lines and engage in artillery strikes and occasional missile launches at Kyiv for the next 15 years. Oh nothing big but horrendous war crimes and I dunno Lend/Lease Is lend lease a big deal? I'm not sure. Some people think it does nothing.
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Cimber posted:Any actual war news the past few days, or is it consolidating lines and turning into a long drawn out slog which is going to last for 18 months before they withdraw to the prewar lines and engage in artillery strikes and occasional missile launches at Kyiv for the next 15 years. Russia is still sending individual BTGs to their demise against reinforced Ukrainian positions in the east. But otherwise, right now everyone is basically taking an operational pause and preparing for the next round of what is probably going to be even bloodier fighting than the first month and a half.
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psydude posted:Russia is still sending individual BTGs to their demise against reinforced Ukrainian positions in the east. But otherwise, right now everyone is basically taking an operational pause and preparing for the next round of what is probably going to be even bloodier fighting than the first month and a half. But Russia is so badly bloodied and Ukrainians are so pissed off right (and well stocked) now I think that ship has sailed for Russia to truely take advantage of that.
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A.o.D. posted:Is lend lease a big deal? I'm not sure. Some people think it does nothing. It is. We used lend/lease to "give" russians tanks and planes in WW2, and a few of the allies. But it comes at a cost, recipients wind up paying for the equipment at lower rates over longer periods of time so they don't go bankrupt trying to pay us back immediately after the war, or it winds up forgiven in some way, depending on how the agreement is structured with the recipient. It doesn't sound like we're going to be sending Abrams and non-russian fighter jets. The act itself mostly cuts red tape for exports.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:It is. We used lend/lease to "give" russians tanks and planes in WW2, and a few of the allies. But it comes at a cost, recipients wind up paying for the equipment at lower rates over longer periods of time so they don't go bankrupt trying to pay us back immediately after the war, or it winds up forgiven in some way, depending on how the agreement is structured with the recipient. I was being exceedingly sarcastic. Lend Lease is a huge loving deal, and it's the first in a series of steps of unleashing the totality of the American economy in a struggle against Russia. It's a piece of kit from the total war tool box.
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My sarcasm detector works about as well as one found in Sheldon on Big Bang Theory.
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Seriously I'm going to sleep like a loving baby tonight knowing that L/L is on the table to help Ukraine.
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I guess we'll also see a Marshall Plan once this is all over, assuming Ukraine wins. JFC, 21st Century, show some originality! edit: How did this monkey's paw get in my pocket?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:But it comes at a cost, recipients wind up paying for the equipment at lower rates over longer periods of time so they don't go bankrupt trying to pay us back immediately after the war, or it winds up forgiven in some way, depending on how the agreement is structured with the recipient. I haven't read the bill, but if it works anything like the old Lend-Lease, they only have to pay for equipment if: -The equipment still exists at the end of the war -They want to keep the equipment Also importantly lend-lease isn't loans of money. It's weapons ammunition trains body armor planes tanks jets artillery medical supplies uniforms machine tools anything. If they need it and we have it, it goes to them. If we lend-lease a missile and they shoot that missile at their enemies, that was a free missile. Also, the prices are agreed on after the war. A lot of the aid that Britain repaid was loans they'd received that we kind of lumped under lend-lease- the UK did not give back the 60 billion we spent on them. And even to the degree they did pay it back, they had 60 years to do it, with pauses during bad economic times. Also we accepted payments in kind, in the form of bases and basing agreements, technology transfers, promises of joining the new international order, etc. The point of lend-lease is to provide allies with the means to defend themselves immediately and settle up later. Besides, the country can only pay you back if it still exists. It's as generous of lending terms as could possibly exist. Ukraine doesn't need to worry a moment about how to pay the US back- they just need to focus on winning the war. Ukraine does plenty of high-tech stuff with engines and planes and rockets, and they have access to the black sea. They have plenty to offer that wouldn't cost them a dime. If I was in the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry and I had a part in getting the US to provide "Lend-Lease" I'd be calling my family crying for joy.
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bees everywhere posted:I guess we'll also see a Marshall Plan once this is all over, assuming Ukraine wins. JFC, 21st Century, show some originality! Can you imagine what 2022 would be like if we'd done a Marshall Plan on Russia in 1991
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Kesper North posted:Can you imagine what 2022 would be like if we'd done a Marshall Plan on Russia in 1991 Can you imagine if Russia would have let us do it?
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Video showing some of what the Russians did near Chernobyl. I'd suggest skipping the last 5-10 seconds, nothing graphic just sad. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1512194930491510787
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A.o.D. posted:Can you imagine if Russia would have let us do it? Yeah, I can. Have you seen Tomorrowland?
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Remulak posted:Yeah, I can. Have you seen Tomorrowland? I don't know what you're referring to. 
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:My sarcasm detector works about as well as one found in Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. See your first problem is watching Big Bang Theory. May I recommend this instead. https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A
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Arrath posted:"The device would break" Yeah when I was there a few years ago they were pretty adamant about not petting the local dogs.
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Thought this note from todays ISW update was appropriate to the sanctions impact and lend lease talk: “ Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported on April 7 that Russian military enterprises are unable to fulfill military orders due to inflation and supply chain issues, which it attributed to the effects of western sanctions.[4] The GUR claimed it intercepted a Kremlin report on the inability of several companies to complete state contracts and discontent over the Russian Ministry of Defense forcing companies to produce orders at a loss.” Russias supply chain seems to be even worse off than we thought and it was already pretty bad.
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highme posted:Video showing some of what the Russians did near Chernobyl. I'd suggest skipping the last 5-10 seconds, nothing graphic just sad. https://twitter.com/skateparken/status/1512199270853746692?s=21&t=cp-5fVPgHXdxpNMcMLQy3Q
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Thank you, Uncle Enzo, for that much more thorough explanation of lend/lease in previous uses. Marshal Prolapse posted:See your first problem is watching Big Bang Theory. May I recommend this instead. I blame it on TBS. I have Turner Brain Syndrome. I watch too many Turner stations. It is almost impossible to avoid big bang on TBS. It's background noise at that time of the evening when the other option is often The Office, which is no dice from me. Besides, I have it on CNN right now.
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quote:Russia has “blacklisted” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Cabinet ministers, parliamentarians from all political parties, the Governor-General, and military and spy chiefs.
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A.o.D. posted:Can you imagine if Russia would have let us do it? Yes? It's not like we really tried.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1512230103278837763 The literal embodiment of not great, not terrible. I wonder what the dosage rate was before that soil got disturbed. Kesper North posted:Yes? It's not like we really tried. Well, they did turn us down once before when they were way more hosed up. Also, it's not like we gave no aid post collapse. Far from it, in fact A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Uncle Enzo posted:Also we accepted payments in kind, in the form of bases and basing agreements, technology transfers, promises of joining the new international order, etc. So you're saying that Brexit happened because they finished making L-L payments? 
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Uncle Enzo posted:I haven't read the bill, but if it works anything like the old Lend-Lease, they only have to pay for equipment if: The other thing L/L does is streamlines the process through the Executive branch more easily, meaning Congress doesn't have to come together every time. I don't know the specifics of this bill (and it hasn't passed the House yet anyway), but this could/should just make it easier to get materiel to Ukraine.
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Actually I found a book on the topic a while back and by god what an evocative cover e: well gently caress how thread appropriate it's a 1930 cloud chamber photograph of Po212 shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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It occurs to me that The Colour out of Space is a better allegory for atomic horror than Godzilla.
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I vaguely remember some Chernobyl tourist YouTuber found a pencil tip worth of graphite with a giger counter just walking around. Imagine inhaling that as your digging a foxhole. E: This isn’t the video I was thinking of but yeah… https://youtu.be/p8U4n-YZDN8 Not great, not terrible. davecrazy fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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That's only detecting gamma so it doesn't pick up the *much more dangerous* alpha and beta particles which would be the primary sources from digging in the dirt. Tiny amounts of alpha particles can make your day very very bad.
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For those who aren't up on their particle physics, alphas are only really dangerous if they get past the skin. Your skin does a fine job of blocking them most of the time, and simply washing down is enough to prevent them causing any real harm normally. Unless, say, you were digging up heavily irradiated earth without respirators, living in irradiated soil, or something.
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M_Gargantua posted:https://twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1512134917433569280?t=zadnnC3ClttpIwtnxJLCpg&s=19 This one is better IMO
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orange juche posted:That's only detecting gamma so it doesn't pick up the *much more dangerous* alpha and beta particles which would be the primary sources from digging in the dirt. I think it was the PYF Dangerous Chemistry thread, but I saw someone describe alpha particles as “drunk-driving helium nuclei on an adventure looking for their lost electrons”. Generally harmless unless breathed in, but…well… 
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It's only now hit me that a lot of Russian soldiers probably aren't aware of the dangers of Chernobyl, due to their draft age & lack of reporting about it in 1990s-2010s Russian news. And maybe that's why they did extremely beyond-idiots-thread-level stupid poo poo such as shelling the reactor site, and digging around that area. loving sucks to be them.
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Crab Dad posted:Crimean sea bases are going to leased to the US for a dollar a decade by then end of this war. Total Russian Victory!
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