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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:They had an out too. "My ship could save him, but I don't know how much of that ship is mine." Boom done. Delsaber posted:I guess that if the biobed alone couldn't help Elnor, the crew might not have faith in it helping Picard either, plus there's a good chance the Confederate La Sirena has no EMH and/or its power systems are still too unreliable. But yeah, the other thing. Good point, I'd forgotten about that detail.
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ashpanash posted:It's difficult to express how little sense this would make and how fundamentally unsatisfying this would be. I just think there are too many weird little details like that for it to just be conincidence.
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Q losing his powers or not being in full control is extremely lame. And the fact that he seemingly had his powers fail when there was no one there to witness it suggests it's not an act or a trick, which sucks. Seeing him doing anything at all that isn't a performance, for benefit of the other characters, is weird and dumb. Like, he's not actually a physical, humanoid creature, right? So why is he hanging around looking like John de Lancie when he's not interacting with humans? The whole thing seems to be some kind of attempt to make Q more relatable, which is an extremely weird thing to want to do when the whole core of the character is that he's able to do anything at any time for reasons you can only guess at, and because of that you can't know anything for certain about him (beyond the simple fact that he can apparently alter reality on a whim).
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Something else to consider was the Continuum was growing stagnant with ennui during Voyager. It may be in bad shape due to Q suicides (Quicides, if you will) or something similar, leaving our Q with diminished faculties. To be clear I don't think any of this would be good or satisfying, but it seems imo to be the direction things are headed
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Rios whole thing of kind of liking the 2024 and being in a pretty good mood is kind of weird considering he was beat up by cops and tossed into a bus to a concentration camp without trial like 4 hours ago Sure, sure, but have you considered the plentiful supply of real cigars and good food and the hot Doctor who believes in a hopeful future and keeps flirting with him?
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don't they still have "real" cigars and poo poo in the OG 24th century? Sisko's dad was running a loving restaurant and Picard's vineyard is at peak production, there's probably a few rollers still operating in C. America and I'm sure he's been spending a fair amount of time back on Earth before he got command of the Stargazer 2.0
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Apr 8, 2022 04:28
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Rios whole thing of kind of liking the 2024 and being in a pretty good mood is kind of weird considering he was beat up by cops and tossed into a bus to a concentration camp without trial like 4 hours ago He was thinking with his dick at the time.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Rios whole thing of kind of liking the 2024 and being in a pretty good mood is kind of weird considering he was beat up by cops and tossed into a bus to a concentration camp without trial like 4 hours ago because by this episode he’s enjoying the rich people life
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Aces High posted:don't they still have "real" cigars and poo poo in the OG 24th century? Sisko's dad was running a loving restaurant and Picard's vineyard is at peak production, there's probably a few rollers still operating in C. America and I'm sure he's been spending a fair amount of time back on Earth before he got command of the Stargazer 2.0 Yeah we know real food exists, but it seems like a lot of people just eat replicated. Cigars... probably? With Federation medical tech it's not like the health effects of tobacco would matter anymore.
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Apr 8, 2022 04:47
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They eat replicated cigars in Starfleet It's hosed up
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"Hey, replicator, make me a Cuban" "The gently caress's this?"
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hosed up that the best star trek of the 21st century is a knock-off made by the family guy guy
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Wow that was an extremely weird episode. Definitely the weakest of the season so far. I thought I missed something when Jurati just started singing out of the blue and then the band just played along. I figured that no, this isn't just suddenly happening, but yes of course it was. The 'flashback' story style was really badly implemented and just immediately spoils Picard getting hurt. It doesn't even serve a real narrative purpose.
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"what if we framed the narrative differently?" "Okay" "...should we pick an episode with a story that benefits from a different narrative structure?" "nah"
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah we know real food exists, but it seems like a lot of people just eat replicated. Cigars... probably? With Federation medical tech it's not like the health effects of tobacco would matter anymore. He also made a comment about the real peanut butter in the cookies the kid wanted, so it’s almost certainly a joke about usually only having regular access to replicated crap.
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I mean, it was part of the Queen’s escalation of trying to get Jurati to “let loose” to create an endorphin rush that would allow her to fully take control. First it was encouraging her to mingle, then to drink, then to kiss Rios, and then it was full on crashing the party with a musical number. Yes it’s goofy, but there was a story based reason for it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The 'flashback' story style...doesn't even serve a real narrative purpose. I remember back when Battlestar Galactica was first airing, Ron Moore would do a showrunner's commentary for each episode as a podcast. One of them had this sort of structure, and Moore was pretty clear from the start that he hated it. It wasn't what was originally intended in the script at all. However, Moore explained that the episode was even worse in the original edit, and the realities of TV production led them to radically alter it in the edit bay and add the 'flashback'-style stuff just to make what they had even make sense. Or something like that. It's been a while. The point is Moore hated it and thought it was lazy and a cheat and it was his own show. But you have to make that call sometimes. Now, I don't know whether the case is the same for this episode of Picard. I honestly doubt it because at least BSG was concerned with being episodic in addition to having an overarching narrative, while Picard has thus far felt no need to accommodate the viewer watching this show weekly. Why they would need to approach this part of their season-long narrative in such a fashion is a mystery to me. But as far as I can tell it served no underlying narrative purpose and felt like either a failed experiment or a masturbatory approach of style over substance. It's just a guess on my part but I feel it was a little bit of both.
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ashpanash posted:I remember back when Battlestar Galactica was first airing, Ron Moore would do a showrunner's commentary for each episode as a podcast. One of them had this sort of structure, and Moore was pretty clear from the start that he hated it. It wasn't what was originally intended in the script at all. However, Moore explained that the episode was even worse in the original edit, and the realities of TV production led them to radically alter it in the edit bay and add the 'flashback'-style stuff just to make what they had even make sense. Or something like that. It's been a while. It definitely felt like a bad stylistic choice. You could have condensed that entire “Picard on a gurney” sequence into a cold open, smash cut to credits, and then done the “36 minutes earlier” card and it would have flowed pretty much the exact same and avoided the jarring cuts. Actually I’d need to rewatch it and I can’t be bothered, but I could understand if it was being used in the edit to cover scene transitions they didn’t film or that didn’t work for whatever reason. Might also be why the runtime was 5+ minutes shorter than usual. Still a rough choice though. Big Mean Jerk fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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HD DAD posted:I mean, it was part of the Queen’s escalation of trying to get Jurati to “let loose” to create an endorphin rush that would allow her to fully take control. First it was encouraging her to mingle, then to drink, then to kiss Rios, and then it was full on crashing the party with a musical number. Yes it’s goofy, but there was a story based reason for it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's not my issue, it's that she's just suddenly singing and the band plays along like nothing's wrong I guess you can handwave the spotlight as Borg shenanigans but maybe the band was just drunk and didn’t give a gently caress
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pik_d posted:Wait how the heck are there even more Soongs after this guy only having a science experiment existential crisis baby?? I said this on the other page and it's the only thing that makes sense for me. Nullsmack posted:Soong: At this point I half expect they're going to reveal that one of them discovered how to clone himself The 6th Day style and all of the Soongs we've seen has just been him doing that for centuries I'm going to add to it though: I mean, it's a good in-universe explanation on why they all look like Brent Spiner across TNG, ENT, and Picard. I wouldn't be surprised if one shows up on Strange New Worlds next month.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's not my issue, it's that she's just suddenly singing and the band plays along like nothing's wrong I feel like they're trying to ape Back to the Future a little when Marty plays with the band. It's just super weird with zero setup.
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Nullsmack posted:I said this on the other page and it's the only thing that makes sense for me. “I figured it out, the answer to this genetic abnormality was staring at me in the mirror this entire time; Me!”
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Big Mean Jerk posted:“I figured it out, the answer to this genetic abnormality was staring at me in the mirror this entire time; Me!” Maybe the story is that his daughter had a genetic defect that he was trying to cure but she died before he could figure it out so he kept cloning her with various levels of success. Cloning a healthy person would work fine in that situation while she would still die to her genetic problem. Maybe even a lot of those failures in his videos were attempting to correct it in the genome of the clones.
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ashpanash posted:It's difficult to express how little sense this would make and how fundamentally unsatisfying this would be. it can't be anymore difficult to express than it would be for anything else this shows seems to be doing to pay off satisfyingly.
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Nullsmack posted:Maybe the story is that his daughter had a genetic defect that he was trying to cure but she died before he could figure it out so he kept cloning her with various levels of success. Cloning a healthy person would work fine in that situation while she would still die to her genetic problem. Maybe even a lot of those failures in his videos were attempting to correct it in the genome of the clones. Soong's poison genome is making the ditch behind his house too crowded.
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I totally read the Rene Picard stuff as she was being gaslit into thinking she had depression not actually having depression so Picard's pick me up would work. Also Picard is good at pick me ups just give me 10 minute shorts where he does his kind old man spiel to different characters.
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ashpanash posted:Why they would need to approach this part of their season-long narrative in such a fashion is a mystery to me. But as far as I can tell it served no underlying narrative purpose and felt like either a failed experiment or a masturbatory approach of style over substance. It's just a guess on my part but I feel it was a little bit of both. I think this is the part of the interview before release where they said they hadn't applied the lessons from previous season, and were hoping what they had filmed would come together in the editing room. I don't think it's a failed experiment or masturbatory approach to style. It's just madlibs editing by necessity.
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I felt like that episode started with most of its pieces (except the flashback structure) in the right places and gave us some good setups for scenes. Jean-Luc doing a Picard Speech to Renée is a slam-dunk on paper, but the actual dialogue didn't quite rise to the occasion. Spiner as a villain was still wonderful and will stay that way until he tries to yell anything. (I have a similar issue with any time Tom Hanks yells.) But man oh man did that episode fall off a cliff when Picard got to the clinic and everything got real dumb real fast.
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Khanstant posted:I think this is the part of the interview before release where they said they hadn't applied the lessons from previous season, and were hoping what they had filmed would come together in the editing room. I don't think it's a failed experiment or masturbatory approach to style. It's just madlibs editing by necessity. But like, why start caring about how your episodes flow now, six episodes in, and not at the start? The show has shown no previous inclination towards telling an episodic narrative before - why try (and fail hard) now? You definitely could be right, but it makes the choice even more baffling to me.
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Wheeee posted:hosed up that the best star trek of the 21st century is a knock-off made by the family guy guy Even more hosed up that that's not damning with faint praise, it's actually that good.
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I really think they ran out of material and the flashback was there to kill time because 20% of the heist episode aired last week to pad out that hour.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I really think they ran out of material and the flashback was there to kill time because 20% of the heist episode aired last week to pad out that hour. Yeah, this season's really been suffering from what seems like vague delineations between episodes. They just seem to cut whenever they feel like it (aka when they hit about 45 minutes) and pretend that's one episode down, a story told in totality.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's not my issue, it's that she's just suddenly singing and the band plays along like nothing's wrong Big Mean Jerk posted:I guess you can handwave the spotlight as Borg shenanigans but maybe the band was just drunk and didn’t give a gently caress I handwaved it as they just omitted showing us Jurati running around persuading the band and the spotlight operator to indulge her in creating this theatrical moment.
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Charity Porno posted:Something else to consider was the Continuum was growing stagnant with ennui during Voyager. It may be in bad shape due to Q suicides (Quicides, if you will) or something similar, leaving our Q with diminished faculties. My money is on some time paradox where Q himself is interfering with past Q's powers
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McSpanky posted:Even more hosed up that that's not damning with faint praise, it's actually that good. https://youtu.be/5RdU51fKc_4
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FlamingLiberal posted:That's not my issue, it's that she's just suddenly singing and the band plays along like nothing's wrong That's just how things work in tv land
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