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Tomn posted:Say, question. Say you're this infantryman. You're wandering around alone in the wild without your gun for whatever reason when you spot a drone, and you're certain that it spotted you and is following you. What should you be doing instead of running back to your base and letting the enemy know where your guys are? Sit around and wait until it gets bored/runs out of batteries, gambling that it won't want to waste too much time calling down fire on one dude? Try to hide? Their battery life is only 30-40 minutes and that’ll include the return trip so yeah, hunkering down in the woods seems like a good plan if you can do nothing else.
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stealie72 posted:Not to put too fine a point on it, but does Russia not understand that these are Europeans they are slaughtering and the west will actually give a poo poo about this? They are operating under the metric that atrocity = victory. The fact that they're not winning means they aren't warcriming hard enough. Vincent Van Goatse posted:Lovecraft probably based the symptoms that the characters suffered in that on descriptions of radium necrosis. It was written when the Radium Girls were all over the news. Perhaps, but I don't think the notion that a nuclear disaster creates an ecological disaster was well understood, even by the most advanced scientists of the day. My argument is that Lovecraft accidentally created an apt allegory back in 1927. Tiny Timbs posted:Their battery life is only 30-40 minutes and that’ll include the return trip so yeah, hunkering down in the woods seems like a good plan if you can do nothing else. For cheap ones. There are commercial drones available with longer life spans, and the US has given drones as aid that have 2 or more hours of service life. The Ukrainians are operating everything they can get their hands on. Not that I'm disagreeing with your assessment. Waiting for a few hours in the woods is preferable to getting shelled. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/kmartynov/status/1512320051575205888?s=20&t=j7WN-1V1wJUVATZ6TDCaGwBaconroll posted:I saw one video clip which showed some 'reactive armour' blocks that had fallen off the top of a tank turret - they were clearly just empty metal shells with nothing inside them. drat sounds like they uparmored the egg cartons this is very concerning for Ukraine
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Alan Smithee posted:https://twitter.com/kmartynov/status/1512320051575205888?s=20&t=j7WN-1V1wJUVATZ6TDCaGw They'll have to spend millions to get all of those captured tanks up to spec.
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odd lots is back with more pallet chat. I've been traveling this week so apologies if it got posted a couple days ago. https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1511419332382842894?s=20&t=3LC8UVK7WvAz5Qv1ItzKzw direct link to pod episode: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-wooden-pallets-have-to-do-with-russias-invasion/id1056200096?i=1000556331039
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Carth Dookie posted:It's entirely possible the "plate" was actually cardboard and the Mac was an upgrade. Yea I just assumed they never had a plate to begin with, just a convenient pocket.
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Yea I just assumed they never had a plate to begin with, just a convenient pocket. Packed with leaflets on the importance of reporting misappropriation of military stores.
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Hekk posted:Yeah, you are an idiot for wandering around a war zone without your weapon. You are an even bigger idiot if you lead the flying eyeball back to the rest of your unit. Run inside a building, under some trees, anywhere other than directly back to the thing you know the eyeball in the sky is looking for. Immediate action for drone scenarios was definitely not a thing I was taught in boot camp. Seems like something that must be taught, and practiced once out at your unit, now.
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Murgos posted:Immediate action for drone scenarios was definitely not a thing I was taught in boot camp. Cell phone discipline needs to be a thing, if it isn't already, as well.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Yeah, that was a given once they encounter any frustration though Nah, they had planned the war criming from the start. What else were they planning to do with mobile crematoriums, filtering lists and an expectation that they would decapitate the country in hours and force a capitulation within days?
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Crazy idea, lazy pitch: you know those LCS that the Navy wants to scrap? Lend-Lease.
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They were dissolving in sea water because they didn't properly anode them its an horrible idea. The Ukrainians need things with high reliability and low maintenence. The LCSes are the opposite of that. Give them to the russians.
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Naked Bear posted:Crazy idea, lazy pitch: you know those LCS that the Navy wants to scrap? Lend-Lease. Great idea! Now to figure out if there are any military missions the LCS are capable of performing.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/uaweapons/status/1512400749468299269?s=21&t=hZSFiZw-bHMNrXAt8Id2kg Somewhere a Patriot sales executive just got a hard on thinking about the rush back fill orders as the words, "third shift overhead' buzz in his ears.
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Yeah, to be a project manager or sales exec in the defense industry right now. Gonna be a good few years for LockMart/Raytheon/Thales/L3Harris.
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Naked Bear posted:Crazy idea, lazy pitch: you know those LCS that the Navy wants to scrap? Lend-Lease. About as useful as handing them already armed grenades
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Here, have our astonishingly expensive and ineffectual for what they're actually intended for destroyers (that are larger than WW2 cruisers). As soon as they arrive in the Black Sea, you're going to need to put them in dock because the transition from Atlantic waters to Black Sea waters (being less saline than the Mediterranean) has caused an immense amount of corrosion and if you don't fix it the jets that move the vehicle are going to stop being able to turn in their mounts.
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Slovakia sent ALL of their S-300 assets, they definitely have a guarantee of getting backfilled with Patriot for that to have happened. E: oh looks like they already got them a couple weeks ago shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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A.o.D. posted:Great idea! Now to figure out if there are any military missions the LCS are capable of performing. Put them all in 7th fleet. Once the engines fail and they're dead in the water, no amount of lovely rosters or fatigue management can cause a collision with a container ship.
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Here, have our astonishingly expensive and ineffectual for what they're actually intended for destroyers (that are larger than WW2 cruisers). As soon as they arrive in the Black Sea, you're going to need to put them in dock because the transition from Atlantic waters to Black Sea waters (being less saline than the Mediterranean) has caused an immense amount of corrosion and if you don't fix it the jets that move the vehicle are going to stop being able to turn in their mounts. "By the way, you guys have enough trained crewmen who can handle these things and can read the English labels, right?"
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Ah, poo poo, I didn't even think of all that. Welp! 
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A.o.D. posted:Great idea! Now to figure out if there are any military missions the LCS are capable of performing. Becoming a reef is the only military mission LCS can perform 100%
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Here, have our astonishingly expensive and ineffectual for what they're actually intended for destroyers (that are larger than WW2 cruisers). As soon as they arrive in the Black Sea, you're going to need to put them in dock because the transition from Atlantic waters to Black Sea waters (being less saline than the Mediterranean) has caused an immense amount of corrosion and if you don't fix it the jets that move the vehicle are going to stop being able to turn in their mounts. The LCS ships are pretty junk, but they definitely aren't larger than WW2 cruisers. Even Arleigh Burke destroyers are significantly smaller than the old Cleveland cruisers were, though they certainly bridge the gap (and are only slightly smaller than modern Ticonderoga cruisers.
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It would take a few months to train up Ukrainians on the LCS anyhow. People they probably can't afford to spare at the moment. Less costly and maybe more effective would be the A10 daydreams people were having when the war started. Fewer people to train, probably more effective than some sailing parallelogram that's going to be dockbound for a few months. Send them a few bombers and a boat load of MOABs if they promise to drop them on the Kremlin.
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Here, have our astonishingly expensive and ineffectual for what they're actually intended for destroyers (that are larger than WW2 cruisers). As soon as they arrive in the Black Sea, you're going to need to put them in dock because the transition from Atlantic waters to Black Sea waters (being less saline than the Mediterranean) has caused an immense amount of corrosion and if you don't fix it the jets that move the vehicle are going to stop being able to turn in their mounts. Because I am that kind of a nerd, the neither LCS type is even close to a WWII era light cruiser in size or tonnage and neither are designated as destroyers. If you mean the Zumwalts, yes they are larger than WWII era cruisers and the gun system is nonsense but 80 VLS cells and a modern AEGIS class AESA radar array would be no joke to continued Russian sorties over Ukraine.
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A.o.D. posted:Cell phone discipline needs to be a thing, if it isn't already, as well. But how will I encounter all of the Hot Local Refugees Just Waiting To Meet Me if I don’t invade this country with my Tinder profile active and location services enabled? The tankies are claiming that Russia doesn’t use the Tochka-U missile, but Ukraine does so it’s another false flag by the Azov Battalion meant to bring NATO into the war.
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A.o.D. posted:Great idea! Now to figure out if there are any military missions the LCS are capable of performing. Fire ships. Remote control minesweepers. Decoys. Barracks ships for housing Ukrainian forces training overseas. gently caress, I'm good at this. Crab Dad, any openings over there? I can waste the US Navy's money with the best of them.
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Murgos posted:Immediate action for drone scenarios was definitely not a thing I was taught in boot camp. I wasn’t taught immediate action for much of anything in boot camp outside of resolving rifle misfires. However, just because a very specific scenario wasn’t covered in detail doesn’t mean that common sense steps to keep an individual from putting their entire unit at risk weren’t drilled into our heads. It’s the same common sense stuff like not bunching up, establishing a base of fire before attempting maneuver, use of bounding over watch. None of this is varsity level training. It’s all stuff you could get a gaggle of folks with rifles to understand in a weekend.
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Hekk posted:None of this is varsity level training. It’s all stuff you could get a gaggle of folks with rifles to understand in a weekend. What I'm reading here is that a conscripted army is going to do a lot of dumb poo poo.
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Here, have our astonishingly expensive and ineffectual for what they're actually intended for destroyers (that are larger than WW2 cruisers). As soon as they arrive in the Black Sea, you're going to need to put them in dock because the transition from Atlantic waters to Black Sea waters (being less saline than the Mediterranean) has caused an immense amount of corrosion and if you don't fix it the jets that move the vehicle are going to stop being able to turn in their mounts. What are you on about, LCS is less than half the size of an arleigh burke. If any other navy built them they would have been called a corvette. Murgos posted:Because I am that kind of a nerd, the neither LCS type is even close to a WWII era light cruiser in size or tonnage and neither are designated as destroyers. I'd argue the gun system isn't in itself nonsense, but building only 3 of them and having 0 interoperability with existing unguided ammo and other guided ammo systems was.
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cruft posted:What I'm reading here is that a conscripted army is going to do a lot of dumb poo poo. I am just struggling to come to terms with the fact that the boogie man I spent decades being told was a near peer is in fact almost completely inept. Before OIF/OEF, we used to drive Russian BMPs around the desert as OPFOR and train our units how to fight our Cold War enemy. All of our exercise outcomes included massive losses to our forces because of Russian capabilities.
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Murgos posted:Nah, they had planned the war criming from the start. What else were they planning to do with mobile crematoriums, filtering lists and an expectation that they would decapitate the country in hours and force a capitulation within days? Prior to the invasion I figured they were at least competent enough to not just fire shells for funsies into evacuation centers with zero military value
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Prior to the invasion I figured they were at least competent enough to not just fire shells for funsies into evacuation centers with zero military value What you're attributing to incompetence should be better recognized as cold malice.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Prior to the invasion I figured they were at least competent enough to not just fire shells for funsies into evacuation centers with zero military value God I feel awful for saying this but rail is a strategic military infrastructure. Doesn't make it any less infuriating that they put a missile in it. I don't think the passenger terminal itself was an invalid target I just think they knowingly did it with refugees in it. But I also know they're inept enough to have no intel at all at the brigade level, so its equally likely someone just said "blow up this train station" and it was done.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The tankies are claiming that Russia doesn’t use the Tochka-U missile, but Ukraine does so it’s another false flag by the Azov Battalion meant to bring NATO into the war. You may already be well aware, but for anyone who would like to retort someone arguing that there is plenty of evidence to debunk those claims. https://twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/1512425885961441287 https://twitter.com/anya_voytenko/status/1512371306511187970 https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1512378210461364231 https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1512375012946292736
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Nick Soapdish posted:Becoming a reef is the only military mission LCS can perform 100% Couldn't you put them in freshwater? Move them to the great lakes and use them as modern training ships
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St_Ides posted:Couldn't you put them in freshwater? Move them to the great lakes and use them as modern training ships training for what?
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The tankies are claiming that Russia doesn’t use the Tochka-U missile, but Ukraine does so it’s another false flag by the Azov Battalion meant to bring NATO into the war. Interesting that the main image on the wiki page for the Tochka missile is captioned "Missiles systems Tochka-U at a Russian Federation rehearsal for the parade in Yekaterinburg" along with lists of use by RF in combat and that they currently have 220 launchers in operation. edit: glynnenstein's post with the receipts. Holy poo poo that's some good stuff. Murgos fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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