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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:details vary behind the scenes (selecting a bargaining committee on union side, etc) but as far as the law is concerned, both sides must negotiate a contract in good faith. attorneys from both sides get together and schedule proper bargaining sessions, and you hashbit out. larger unions will begin with boilerplate stuff (grievance and arbitration, recognition, etc) but everything is up in the air Oh wow. That is a lot more than I thought it was going to be
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it’s all about getting that collective bargaining agreement and no longer being at-will employees. then you have dignity at work, the ability to speak up about things without fear of being fired for a bullshit reason. then you have the support of your coworkers, and you can all speak with one voice, instead of being siloed into ‘private’ conversations with HR so they can lie to each of you individually as soon as management knows you’re all talking to one another, they know there’s trouble that trouble becomes power when you have a union
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PostNouveau posted:Oh wow. That is a lot more than I thought it was going to be after the contract is signed too management will figure out ways to not abide by it, so you still have retain organizational strength and make sure you have reps and shop stewards who will fight for grievance claims and ensure the contract is enforced. then it all happens again in 2-5 years, depending on the length of the contract you agreed to. winning a union vote is like step -1, and companies most often (especially larger ones with functionally limitless resources and 8 figure profits) never, ever stop trying to fight a union.
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agreedo, still dealing with lovely management now: just getting paid better while I do. a union is a living thing, not a one and done victory
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In Training posted:after the contract is signed too management will figure out ways to not abide by it, so you still have retain organizational strength and make sure you have reps and shop stewards who will fight for grievance claims and ensure the contract is enforced. then it all happens again in 2-5 years, depending on the length of the contract you agreed to. winning a union vote is like step -1, and companies most often (especially larger ones with functionally limitless resources and 8 figure profits) never, ever stop trying to fight a union. Requiring management comply with the contract is the never ending battle, and the responsibility of everyone in the bargaining unit. it requires constant vigilance to not lose what you’ve fought for.
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Are there any examples of owners that have an amicable relationship with the unions that they work with? I understand that their class interests are diametrically opposed, and that probably answers that question, but it just seems like if you were trying to run a successful business there's actually a lot of things that unions bring to the table that would make that easier to do?
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christmas boots posted:Are there any examples of owners that have an amicable relationship with the unions that they work with? I understand that their class interests are diametrically opposed, and that probably answers that question, but it just seems like if you were trying to run a successful business there's actually a lot of things that unions bring to the table that would make that easier to do? one of the reasons the raiders stadium in Vegas got a ton of public funding is that the laborers union lobbied heavily in favor of it alongside the bosses. this is the really bad side of corporations not being opposed to the unions, it goes both ways~ Hollywood and actors/directors/producers I think? the NBA worked really closely with NBPA over the bubble back before it was AT&T, Cingular voluntarily recognized 15k employees as CWA, which is unheard of these days. I think AT&T is a really tough negotiator but they’re not viciously anti-union that I saw unlike Verizon, even when we were on strike. I was talking with the union officer whose day job is at AT&T and they’re constantly promoting her best union activists into management and have offered her a promotion countless times. which, maybe that undermines the union a little, but in a much more subtle way than most.
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christmas boots posted:Are there any examples of owners that have an amicable relationship with the unions that they work with? I understand that their class interests are diametrically opposed, and that probably answers that question, but it just seems like if you were trying to run a successful business there's actually a lot of things that unions bring to the table that would make that easier to do? I can't find it now, but I remember hearing about a European company from a highly unionized country that purchased a U.S. company for its manufacturing plant, and then were all pissed off and confused when the leaders came to the U.S. and did not have a union to help them with worker logistics. I thought it was Volkswagen in Tennessee, but googling says VW has been very happy to crush unions there as much as they can.
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it’s possible to have an amicable relationship but my contention is that if management is happy and comfortable, the union isn’t demanding enough
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I mean that’s how they treat us
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:it’s possible to have an amicable relationship Much like buying or selling a used car, the best deal for everyone involved is when everyone shakes hands and walks away feeling just a little dissatisfied.
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nah gently caress that, I want management begging and sweating that people even came back to work
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christmas boots posted:Are there any examples of owners that have an amicable relationship with the unions that they work with? I understand that their class interests are diametrically opposed, and that probably answers that question, but it just seems like if you were trying to run a successful business there's actually a lot of things that unions bring to the table that would make that easier to do? Places in Europe where unionization is much more ingrained and affects the majority of the workforce often have shared governance models where unions have seats on the board and so on, and the relationship tends to be more amicable despite the opposed interests, if only because the unions are seen as an inevitable part of doing business rather than something that can always be crushed and destroyed. If you go into business decisions with the foundational assumption that your workers will be unionized rather than the foundational assumption that it's possible to have an entirely un-unionized workforce if you either crush unionization efforts or destroy existing unions, it leads to a different relationship between labour and capital even though labour and capital remain opposed aspects of the business.
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PostNouveau posted:I thought it was Volkswagen in Tennessee, but googling says VW has been very happy to crush unions there as much as they can. IIRC VW was acting pretty amicably toward the workers there initially, even offering to hook them up with their union reps in Germany for advice. Then the Republican politicians in Tennessee threatened to pull some tax incentives or something that they were getting if they didn't bust the union.
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https://twitter.com/jordanzakarin/status/1512919509690163211 Madison rocks
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lol he ran for president
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theflyingexecutive posted:lol he ran for president He was (rumored to be) Clinton's pick for Secretary of Labor!
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https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1513639024971427843 200 drat stores! 18 have already won!
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check us out!!! https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1513901538422493188
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hell yeah gently caress em up kingcobweb ✊🏼
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Badass, keep up the good work.
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owners of city feed and supply, a crunchy local cafe/grocery store with locations in the lefties parts of boston, refused to voluntarily recognize their union. not sure what their endgame is, since every most other indie coffeehouses in the city are union and even two of our Starbucks are unionized. way to torpedo your brand, guys.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:owners of city feed and supply, a crunchy local cafe/grocery store with locations in the lefties parts of boston, refused to voluntarily recognize their union. not sure what their endgame is, since every most other indie coffeehouses in the city are union and even two of our Starbucks are unionized. way to torpedo your brand, guys. Their endgame is power over their labor force.
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no poo poo, I mean do they expect to win an NLRB election? and post election do they think they will be in a better position vis a vis their union by antagonizing them now?
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They don't expect anything, all business owners are pissant tyrants who will burn any amount of money to run their business their way. They're like amoebas, they're a no thought to why they're doing what they do, they just react to stimuli and whine when the suffer the consequences of it.
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they probably just think they can outlast this wave of unionization, not the dumbest bet its been pretty valid historically though not one i'd take personally in the current situation lmao hell yeah
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wrt corporations who aren’t viciously anti-union: https://twitter.com/MorePerfectUS/status/1514312921848889345
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The grad students at Indiana University are on strike, which is pretty cool. I'm sure the admin will start threatening the visas of international students soon.
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two starbucks stores on strike in seattle! https://twitter.com/VentiSolidarity/status/1514991187219947525
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Lots of successes lately.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Lots of successes lately. I think we're starting to reach a critical mass of people in the work force that haven't been poisoned by anti-union propaganda and see the "hustle" life as the bullshit it is.
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Alkydere posted:I think we're starting to reach a critical mass of people in the work force that haven't been poisoned by anti-union propaganda and see the "hustle" life as the bullshit it is. It also turns out that when management complains about not being able to hire people, the existing workers start to realize they may not be as replaceable as theyve been told.
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Also COVID made every job dangerous and inflation means you need to get a raise...lots of material conditions inflecting in a very short time
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In Training posted:Also COVID made every job dangerous and inflation means you need to get a raise...lots of material conditions inflecting in a very short time I think the COVID-era lip service to "essential workers" has caused a lot of people to start thinking differently about who needs who in terms of workers and bosses
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