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AceOfFlames posted:My favorite was "Indifferent Cats In Amateur Porn" which was just what it sounds like: clips/pics of porn where cats wander in and act completely oblivious. One particularly amusing one I recall was a couple going at it doggy style when one cat suddenly jumps up to a night stand and just stares at the wall.
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Blood Nightmaster posted:This just reminded me of the first time I saw Blade Runner: The Final Cut, last year I think? The whole "love scene" between Harrison Ford and Sean Young has this sexy sax piece playing that really doesn't seem to fit what's actually going on between them and the whole thing just kinda skeeved me out a little. Like I get that they're both probably robots just trying to navigate human emotions, which makes sense in the context of the film, but the whole "stopping a woman from leaving your apartment and telling her how she should be feeling/what she should do while she's clearly in distress" scenario isn't great This came up in the IIMM thread about three years ago; the crew referred to it as ‘the rape in the corridor’ scene during filming.
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AceOfFlames posted:My favorite was "Indifferent Cats In Amateur Porn" which was just what it sounds like: clips/pics of porn where cats wander in and act completely oblivious. One particularly amusing one I recall was a couple going at it doggy style when one cat suddenly jumps up to a night stand and just stares at the wall. Only one night stand?
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Jedit posted:Only one KNARREVIK?
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Swedish Erotica wasn't amateur porn.
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It's fun sometimes to argue about whether or not Deckard is a replicant but that's the whole point, the point is you don't know, you can't know, they are basically identical to non-replicants and it's stupid to treat them differently. I liked the sequel - I didn't think it particularly leaned on Deckard and Rachel having been a healthy relationship or a good idea. They stuck together, that doesn't mean that what he did was fine. I might have forgotten details that show that, though.
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Apr 8, 2022 11:08
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HopperUK posted:It's fun sometimes to argue about whether or not Deckard is a replicant but that's the whole point, the point is you don't know, you can't know, they are basically identical to non-replicants and it's stupid to treat them differently. The thing that gets me is at the end, EJO's character leaves his trademark matchstick figurine at Deckard's place and it's the unicorn from his dream. Kind of insinuates that Deckard's dreams are implants.
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Apr 8, 2022 11:12
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:The thing that gets me is at the end, EJO's character leaves his trademark matchstick figurine at Deckard's place and it's the unicorn from his dream. Not to mention that when he finds the origami unicorn Deckard remembers Gaff saying "It's too bad she won't live, but then again who does?" and nodding slightly in understanding. It's an almost certain implication of the Director’s Cut that Deckard is not just a replicant but an older model replicant - it's only the later Nexus models that were given limited lifespan.
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Yeah, there are clues, depending on which version you watch, but considering even Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott don't agree on the issue I think it's legit to read it either way. I even think Batty's last speech works on two different, equally beautiful and tragic levels depending on if you read Deckard as a 'natural born' human or a replicated human. In some ways the sequel deals with this exact issue. K wants to be special, unlike the other replicants, and it turns out that it doesn't matter, it's not the circumstances of his creation that make him worthwhile or beautiful or human. Surface-level takes I know but I'm a big dummy, I just really like those movies.
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HopperUK posted:Yeah, there are clues, depending on which version you watch, but considering even Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott don't agree on the issue I think it's legit to read it either way. I even think Batty's last speech works on two different, equally beautiful and tragic levels depending on if you read Deckard as a 'natural born' human or a replicated human. The book I think is fairly clear that Deckard is human, it's been ages since I read it though. Also hot take, Bladerunner is a boring movie that is very visually stunning.
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HopperUK posted:Yeah, there are clues, depending on which version you watch, but considering even Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott don't agree on the issue I think it's legit to read it either way. I even think Batty's last speech works on two different, equally beautiful and tragic levels depending on if you read Deckard as a 'natural born' human or a replicated human. The original does that as well. When Roy goes to JF he says "if you don't help us, Pris hasn't got very long to live". But if you were paying close attention, the files on Roy and Pris show that he is older than her. There's two ways to read that in the light of his later discussion with Tyrell where he says "I want more life". You could take it as Roy manipulating JF through his attraction to Pris. But on the other hand, Roy has previously been very straightforward and direct; moments before he had been admiring JF's "friends" as a child would. That opens up the second, more interesting line: that Pris's life is genuinely more important to Roy than his own. That would mean he had genuine emotions of the kind that the Nexus-6s were given limited lifespans to prevent the development of, and as such he was every bit as human as anyone else.
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Mooseontheloose posted:The book I think is fairly clear that Deckard is human, it's been ages since I read it though. I think the plot is meh but ive never been bored bc of said visuals, like even if i dont really care about anything but the last 15 minutes plotwise looking at the cinematography is substance enough
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*hearing* about Bladerunner but not having the chance to see it in the 90s and 2000s was a weird time because I always assumed the replicants were actually robots in some fashion and not just vat grown humans. I almost would prefer that
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Jedit posted:The original does that as well. When Roy goes to JF he says "if you don't help us, Pris hasn't got very long to live". But if you were paying close attention, the files on Roy and Pris show that he is older than her. There's two ways to read that in the light of his later discussion with Tyrell where he says "I want more life". You could take it as Roy manipulating JF through his attraction to Pris. But on the other hand, Roy has previously been very straightforward and direct; moments before he had been admiring JF's "friends" as a child would. That opens up the second, more interesting line: that Pris's life is genuinely more important to Roy than his own. That would mean he had genuine emotions of the kind that the Nexus-6s were given limited lifespans to prevent the development of, and as such he was every bit as human as anyone else. Yeah, Roy is clearly a bit new to genuine emotion and as such he oscillates wildly between tearfully upset and joyful, like a little kid. He isn't in complete control of his emotional affect and it makes him seem both dangerous and endearing. The scene with Rachel hasn't aged well but aside from that it's an interesting example of a future-set movie that doesn't instantly seem hilariously dated. Maybe because it doesn't show too much fine detail of day to day life. The main thing that pegs it to an area of film-making is how drat much people smoke in their offices.
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Burkion posted:*hearing* about Bladerunner but not having the chance to see it in the 90s and 2000s was a weird time because I always assumed the replicants were actually robots in some fashion and not just vat grown humans. I almost would prefer that Funnily enough this goes with the play that literally coined the term 'robot', Rossum's Universal Robots has the titular beings closer to vat-grown humans than machines. (Though given the presentation is somewhat satirical there's kind of mixed themes)
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Burkion posted:*hearing* about Bladerunner but not having the chance to see it in the 90s and 2000s was a weird time because I always assumed the replicants were actually robots in some fashion and not just vat grown humans. I almost would prefer that I know you probably meant like Data from TNG or a Terminator where it might conceivably pass for human at a glance, but my mind immediately went to how Bladerunner would be a very different movie if the replicants were all, say, like Robbie the Robot or Gort from the Day The Earth Stood Still. Just imagine giving the Voigt-Kampf test to that Lost in Space robot
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Asterite34 posted:I know you probably meant like Data from TNG or a Terminator where it might conceivably pass for human at a glance, but my mind immediately went to how Bladerunner would be a very different movie if the replicants were all, say, like Robbie the Robot or Gort from the Day The Earth Stood Still. But it would completely undermine the message/theme of the book or story. The whole question is whether you should care whether something is artificial are not. If something acts, walks, talks human (or like a duck) what makes it distinguishable from the "real" thing. In the book real animals go for a fortune even though their robotic counterparts act, look, and feel the same way but human's just want something "real." If the robots don't look/act/feel human, it doesn't evoke the same response.
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Asterite34 posted:Just imagine giving the Voigt-Kampf test to that Lost in Space robot I think the robots in the Netflix reboot could pass it
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Mooseontheloose posted:But it would completely undermine the message/theme of the book or story. Well yes, obviously, but it's a funny thought experiment/mental image, "what if you made Bladerunner, exactly the same in every detail including the themes of there being no real fundamental difference between humans and 'More Human Than Human' replicants, except all the replicant characters were clunky 50s robots"
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Aces High posted:I think the robots in the Netflix reboot could pass it Is that show worth watching, at all? I liked old school Lost in Space so... probably not?
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Trick question. No sci fi is worth watching except for Farscape
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It has ups and downs, the first season spins its wheels a LOT and doesn't really stick the landing. Season 2 still struggles with trying to figure out what story they're trying to tell but had some good hooks for the final season. I found that season 3 ended in a satisfying enough manner but the first season is loving rough, and not in the campy way the original show was (or even the movie, depending on which side you fall on)
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HopperUK posted:The scene with Rachel hasn't aged well but aside from that it's an interesting example of a future-set movie that doesn't instantly seem hilariously dated. I know I've seen Blade Runner described before as being so visually influential that it changed what we thought the future might look like. It's responsible for the entire "look" of cyberpunk, and the fact that we actually are living in a cyberpunk dystopia that doesn't look particularly Syd Meady is a poor choice of whoever the set designer for reality is
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Asterite34 posted:Well yes, obviously, but it's a funny thought experiment/mental image, "what if you made Bladerunner, exactly the same in every detail including the themes of there being no real fundamental difference between humans and 'More Human Than Human' replicants, except all the replicant characters were clunky 50s robots" Muppet Bladerunner
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Asterite34 posted:I know you probably meant like Data from TNG or a Terminator where it might conceivably pass for human at a glance, but my mind immediately went to how Bladerunner would be a very different movie if the replicants were all, say, like Robbie the Robot or Gort from the Day The Earth Stood Still. Honestly I'm down for either
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Muppet Bladerunner     Source: https://twitter.com/byroncclark/status/1403935351169634308?t=QWXcSoIPicHZjmr2dxvcBg&s=19
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Bah, I knew I couldn't have come up with that. 
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Eventually the technology will exist to Muppetify any movie
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Asterite34 posted:
the exact same movie and tone focused around the inherent unknown nature of replicant vs human and all but every replicant we see is just fuckin R2-D2 played completely straight.
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HopperUK posted:Yeah, there are clues, depending on which version you watch, but considering even Harrison Ford and Ridley Scott don't agree on the issue I think it's legit to read it either way. I even think Batty's last speech works on two different, equally beautiful and tragic levels depending on if you read Deckard as a 'natural born' human or a replicated human. What's the level/interpretation of Batty's speech where Deckard is a replicant? For me that whole moment works because they've essentially switched places and both through saving Deckard and his speech, Batty shows himself to be more human than the human pursuing him, again calling into question if there's really a difference. If Deckard himself is a replicant then I've always felt like that sequence loses some of its impact so I'm curious to know what your take is.
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The irony of all the people joking about R2D2 passing the voight-kampf test is a lot of fictional robots might actually pass it due to having human-level intelligence and empathy. No one would think they are human, certainly, but that wouldn't mean they couldn't think and feel on the same level as humans.
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Burkion posted:*hearing* about Bladerunner but not having the chance to see it in the 90s and 2000s was a weird time because I always assumed the replicants were actually robots in some fashion and not just vat grown humans. I almost would prefer that The video game Binary Domain handled it that way instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuCWJbQ1Gpw The game itself is not great! But as a weird sci-fi world it's wonderful.
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Not a single person in that film ran on a blade.
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BioEnchanted posted:The irony of all the people joking about R2D2 passing the voight-kampf test is a lot of fictional robots might actually pass it due to having human-level intelligence and empathy. No one would think they are human, certainly, but that wouldn't mean they couldn't think and feel on the same level as humans. Star Wars Droids are definitely their own story, especially given the heavy implications they're basically a fully sentient slave caste.
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Push El Burrito posted:Not a single person in that film ran on a blade. 
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Push El Burrito posted:Not a single person in that film ran on a blade. Runner could be in the future. It’s not Blade Ranner.
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oldpainless posted:Runner could be in the future. It’s not Blade Ranner. It's also not Blade'll Runner.
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Brawnfire posted:Eventually the technology will exist to Muppetify any movie What will come first: Muppet Lego Movie, or Lego Muppet Movie?
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rocketbrah posted:What will come first: Muppet Lego Movie, or Lego Muppet Movie? Am I a man, or am I a minifig?
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CJacobs posted:The video game Binary Domain handled it that way instead: the great thing about them going with the idea that they're just straight up robots is that one of the big twists in the games story is (spoiler for a decade old third person shooter i guess) that one of the members of your team's father was a robot, making her... half-robot????? even though she has no robot parts and how does a robot even impregnate a human woman shut up there's no time it doesn't matter don't worry about it
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