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Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Swan: What's your moral redline?

McConnell: Horror has a face, and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. I’ve seen horrors, horrors that you’ve seen. But, you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that, but you have no right to judge me. It’s a simple calculus. This universe is finite, its resources, finite, if life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist. It needs correction, and I’m the only one who knows that. At least I’m the only one with the will to act on it. It's the unspoken truth of humanity, that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power, for identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1512109194328956928

The actual video is worth watching since it's a full faced admission that at least the Republicans see the role of their party is to hold power no matter how they do it. Trump is supported because he's the Republican nominee, policies and beliefs don't matter.

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Lib and let die: Aug 26, 2004

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Swan: What's your moral redline?

McConnell: Horror has a face, and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. I�ve seen horrors, horrors that you�ve seen. But, you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that, but you have no right to judge me. It�s a simple calculus. This universe is finite, its resources, finite, if life is left unchecked, life will cease to exist. It needs correction, and I�m the only one who knows that. At least I�m the only one with the will to act on it. It's the unspoken truth of humanity, that you crave subjugation. The bright lure of freedom diminishes your life's joy in a mad scramble for power, for identity. You were made to be ruled. In the end, you will always kneel.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1512109194328956928

I'm usually not one to hop on the bandwagon of pointing out how awful the Republicans, whose entire platform is "we're loving awful, gently caress you" because it's sort of like "well yeah, were you expecting something other than what's on the box art?" but this is some borderline "i have undergone apotheosis" talk

I'd expect to hear it from Dennis Reynolds' mouth, not an actual real person.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:23

Gumball Gumption: Jan 7, 2012

Lib and let die posted:

I'm usually not one to hop on the bandwagon of pointing out how awful the Republicans, whose entire platform is "we're loving awful, gently caress you" because it's sort of like "well yeah, were you expecting something other than what's on the box art?" but this is some borderline "i have undergone apotheosis" talk

I'd expect to hear it from Dennis Reynolds' mouth, not an actual real person.

He's probably different in private considering how many friends he has in Congress.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:29

Bishyaler: Dec 30, 2009; Megamarm

Lib and let die posted:

I'm usually not one to hop on the bandwagon of pointing out how awful the Republicans, whose entire platform is "we're loving awful, gently caress you" because it's sort of like "well yeah, were you expecting something other than what's on the box art?" but this is some borderline "i have undergone apotheosis" talk

I'd expect to hear it from Dennis Reynolds' mouth, not an actual real person.

I guess I don't find this that shocking. Mitch exists in his position because he effectively wields power and because he can shrug his shoulders and sidestep a question that would have most people sputtering. "I acknowledge that I wagged my finger at Trump to get out of hot water, but I didn't mean it, don't be silly interview guy."

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:35

Mulva: Sep 13, 2011; It's about time for my once per decade ban for being a consistently terrible poster.

Gumball Gumption posted:

He's probably different in private considering how many friends he has in Congress.

Or, and follow with me now, most people in the Senate are like him.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:35

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Could... the Democrats have learned their lessons about interfering in primary races? Maybe!

quote:

D.C. Dems get out of frontrunner Fetterman's way in Pennsylvania

Democrats barely even noticed John Fetterman was running for Senate in 2016. Six years later, they might not be able to stop him if they tried.

The filibuster-hating, gym-shorts-wearing progressive lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania is the odds-on favorite to win the Democratic nomination in one of the country�s most important Senate races. And Washington Democrats are doing nothing to slow him down by boosting his opponents, state Rep. Malcolm Kenyatta and the centrist Rep. Conor Lamb.

In fact, party leaders on Tuesday heard private concerns about a pro-Lamb super PAC after the group slammed Fetterman as a �self-described Democratic socialist,� a claim that led to the ad being pulled from one TV station. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) raised the ad during a Democratic caucus meeting on Tuesday, and Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chair Gary Peters said they were addressing the issue, according to several attendees.

�I saw the PAC ad that is currently running in Pennsylvania. It is wrong and it is disgusting. And if Conor Lamb wants to stand up as a Democrat, then he needs to disavow that ad today,� Warren said in an interview on Wednesday.

Almost everyone in the Democratic caucus is staying neutral in the Pennsylvania primary, but there�s plenty of warmth for Fetterman and few concerns that he�d be a weaker general election candidate than his rivals. That�s a 180-degree turn from the state�s last open primary, when party bosses endorsed and spent big for establishment favorite Katie McGinty, while Fetterman came in third. Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), then the DSCC chief, recalled this week that he didn�t look closely at the Fetterman campaign.

Now Fetterman is leading in public and internal Democratic polls by wide margins, according to people who have seen them. Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) this week said Fetterman is �the kind of populist that I think would do very well in Pennsylvania.�

Republicans argue that Fetterman is too liberal to win this fall�s general election against the winner of a GOP field that includes business executive David McCormick and TV surgeon Mehmet Oz. Yet asked if he�d be comfortable with Fetterman as the nominee, Peters replied confidently: �I would be, certainly.�

�If I have candidates that can win the general election, we�re not going to put our thumb on the scale. We know our candidates in Pennsylvania can win the general election,� Peters said in an interview. �Bottom line: We just have to win. And certainly that�s what we have in Pennsylvania, particularly with the top two candidates.�

Fetterman described his campaign�s relationship with the DSCC this time around as �good� and said he has spoken with Peters and Warren. He heaped praise onto both of them, calling Warren �just a luminary in the Democratic Party� and said he admires Peters for �not only his politics, but just how he makes it work in a state like Michigan.�

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Democrats� decision to forgo endorsing the more moderate Lamb, who holds a tough seat for Democrats in Western Pennsylvania, is an evolution for a party that�s spent years playing kingmaker among its Senate candidates � sometimes with poor results. Lamb�s campaign did not comment for this story.

Now with the 50-50 Senate majority on a knife�s edge, Democrats are trusting primary voters to give them the best candidates rather than weighing in from D.C. in contested primaries in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

�I don�t know that we did well in 2020 by getting involved early,� said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.). �There�s a long history of hand-picked Democratic candidates doing very badly in the general election.�

There�s almost no sign that Democrats are worried enough about Fetterman to intervene in the primary. The DSCC endorsed McGinty roughly a month before the 2016 primary; this year�s primary is May 17.

Warren�s response to that line: �Oh, I�m sorry, what I want is advice from Republicans on who should be the Democratic nominee.�

Peters said that �any time I hear Republicans underestimating a candidate, it brings a smile to my face. Because I�ve been in that seat before.�

That�s not to say there aren�t some in the caucus who would prefer Lamb, even if they aren�t officially endorsing him. Tester said he knew Lamb better and liked him as a candidate. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who is frequently targeted by Fetterman for standing in the way of filibuster reform and Biden�s agenda, said that Lamb would �be an outstanding U.S. senator.�

I'm gobsmacked by this story and some of the quotes therein. Backing away from loser lizard people like Carville and his little Lamb is the sanest strategy high-profile Dems have taken in decades.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:38

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Lib and let die posted:

I'm usually not one to hop on the bandwagon of pointing out how awful the Republicans, whose entire platform is "we're loving awful, gently caress you" because it's sort of like "well yeah, were you expecting something other than what's on the box art?" but this is some borderline "i have undergone apotheosis" talk

I'd expect to hear it from Dennis Reynolds' mouth, not an actual real person.

when you've sacrificed so much for power that wanting power is the only thing left of the person you used to be. you can't give it up, of course. because if Mitch McConnell or Diane Feinstein or Chuck Grassley or any of the other withered remnants are not in their senatorial seats, who are they, anymore?

why live, if the only thing that gives your life meaning is gone?

gotta say, being ruled by corpses is not as cool as fantasy fiction had implied it would be

# ? Apr 8, 2022 16:39

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Ron DeSantis is raising an astronomical amount of money for a re-election campaign he is expected to cruise to victory in. He's also not spending any of it.

This makes him the first statewide candidate in U.S. history to raise $100 million for a single campaign through donations only.

Part of the reason is that he has a national fundraising network and state parties in all 50 states are contributing the maximum legally allowed to his PAC. The other part is that he has secured major $5 million and $10 million contributions from Trump's former donor network of billionaire CEOS like the head of Home Depot.

quote:

DeSantis, though, is not independently wealthy. Prior to becoming governor in 2019, DeSantis served less than three terms in Congress. Before that, he was a lawyer in the Navy. His net worth is $348,000, according to his most recent financial disclosure form.

Instead, DeSantis has broken fundraising records by relying on a mix of sources. He has received significant contributions from the state and national parties and has crisscrossed the country to raise money from wealthy GOP donors. His political committee has collected large checks from influential Florida businesses and small donations from all 50 states.

DeSantis has also tapped into former President Donald Trump's donor network, including Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus, WeatherTech CEO David MacNeil and shipping magnate Richard Uihlein and his wife, Elizabeth. All have given six-figure sums to DeSantis' political committee.

He can't transfer that money to a Presidential campaign, so who knows what the plan is with all of it? Possible late-game spending blitz, donating to other Florida politicians/organizations to secure support, or just using it as all part of an audition for 2024 to show how good of a fundraiser he is?

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1512448446401323013

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:17

haveblue: Aug 15, 2005; Toilet Rascal

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He can't transfer that money to a Presidential campaign, so who knows what the plan is with all of it?

Follow the model of his inspiration- transfer it illegally, eliminate the consequences after becoming president

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:21

selec: Sep 6, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Ron DeSantis raising an astronomical amount of money for a re-election campaign he is expected to cruise to victory in. He's also not spending any of it.

This makes him the first statewide candidate in U.S. history to raise $100 million for a single campaign through donations only.

Part of the reason is that he has a national fundraising network and state parties in all 50 states are contributing the maximum legally allowed to his PAC. The other part is that he has secured major $5 million and $10 million contributions from Trump's former donor network of billionaire CEOS like the head of Home Depot.

He can't transfer that money to a Presidential campaign, so who knows what the plan is with all of it? Possible late-game spending blitz, donating to other Florida politicians/organizations to secure support, or just using it as all part of an audition for 2024 to show how good of a fundraiser he is?

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1512448446401323013

He can�t transfer it, but I would bet there are a lot of categories of payments he could dip into either fund for.

Image consultants, polling and research, maybe paying a ghostwriter for a book, he could spend state campaign money on all those.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:23

small butter: Oct 8, 2011

What a wet rag of a candidate DeSantis is. I wonder if he could even win a national race. Trump was Trump and Bush was somehow affable, but this guy?

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:28

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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selec posted:

He can�t transfer it, but I would bet there are a lot of categories of payments he could dip into either fund for.

Image consultants, polling and research, maybe paying a ghostwriter for a book, he could spend state campaign money on all those.

He'd have to do all of that in the next 6 months or so. More than $100 million would be an insane amount to spend on image consultants, a ghost writer, and polling.

After the election cycle is over, he can only donate it to other political candidates/committees, save it for another statewide political campaign, refund donors, or donate it to charity.

Also, kind of wild that his popularity exploded with donors after fighting vaccine and mask mandates, opening schools, and promoting alternative medicine instead of taxes, business subsidies, or regulation changes that donors would generally be concerned about.

quote:

Nick Iarossi, a lobbyist and top DeSantis fundraiser, said the governor's support among donors grew during the coronavirus pandemic when he bucked medical experts.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:32

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DeSantis' $100+ million fundraising is blowing out every other candidate for Governor.

Crist has only raised $7.1 million and the other two Dems in the primary have raised less than that.

quote:

Meanwhile, the Democrats attempting to defeat DeSantis are still finding their footing. Through February, US Rep. Charlie Crist, a onetime governor as a Republican and the Democratic nominee for governor in 2014, had raised $7.1 million with $4.7 million still on hand.

State Agriculture Commissioner Nikki Fried had about $3.6 million left of the $6 million she reported raising through February, while a third candidate, state Sen. Annette Taddeo, had raised less than $1 million. The primary election is August 23.

quote:

The Florida Democratic Party did not respond to questions about its plan to compete with DeSantis' fundraising advantage. Steve Schale, a Democratic campaign consultant, expects money to flood into Florida once the party has a nominee, but DeSantis, he said, "is still going to outspend, even in the rosiest scenarios on my side."

"When you're underfunded, you have to constantly make bad choices," said Schale, who was involved in past gubernatorial campaigns. "You're choosing between cutting off your right arm or your left arm and hoping you don't bleed to death."

DeSantis isn't spending nearly any of the money he raised. He didn't have campaign staff until recently and the largest expenditure he authorized with campaign funds was the production of "Fauci Flip-Flops" last year (which were his idea that resulted from brainstorming sessions).

quote:

Perhaps most daunting for Democrats is how much cash DeSantis is still sitting on. His campaign had $88.5 million on hand through February.

One longtime Tallahassee-based Republican adviser said the joke around the capital is that the DeSantis campaign team is the "poorest group of rich people in the state." Not unlike Trump, DeSantis has a reputation for scrutinizing every dollar spent by his campaign. Despite his growing political profile, DeSantis didn't have campaign staff until relatively recently, and it remains a pretty slim operation.

"Eventually, those resources will be deployed," Iarossi said. "He's frugal. That's his reputation. And that's part of the reason people feel good giving to him."

Last year, the second-largest expense for DeSantis' political committee was $560,000 spent on inventory for campaign merchandise. That's not typical for a campaign with this kind of cash flow. But DeSantis has generated several rounds of headlines -- known in the political world as earned media -- by pushing out provocative campaign swag, like "Don't Fauci My Florida" koozies and "Fauci Can Pound Sand" flip flops -- after chief Biden medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci -- and a sleeve of two golf balls that says "Florida's Governor Has a Pair."

"Most of those, like the flip flops, he comes up with the ideas," Iarossi said. "He's reviewing budgets and new hires and how much is being paid. He does not want to waste campaign dollars. He's very particular."

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:41

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

small butter posted:

What a wet rag of a candidate DeSantis is. I wonder if he could even win a national race. Trump was Trump and Bush was somehow affable, but this guy?

I�m with you, but I don�t wanna underestimate him like I did with Trump

He�s pretty scary though, I�d hate to see him as the Republican presidential nominee

# ? Apr 8, 2022 17:54

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

He can't transfer that money to a Presidential campaign, so who knows what the plan is with all of it? Possible late-game spending blitz, donating to other Florida politicians/organizations to secure support, or just using it as all part of an audition for 2024 to show how good of a fundraiser he is?

The CNN story points out that GWB's fundraising prowess in 1998 helped him in his 2000 run, so yeah, I'm sure that could be a factor.

And if Trump does run, De Santis could be making the case that he'd be a good veep choice with those sorts of numbers.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Also, kind of wild that his popularity exploded with donors after fighting vaccine and mask mandates, opening schools, and promoting alternative medicine instead of taxes, business subsidies, or regulation changes that donors would generally be concerned about.

Why is it "wild" that business interests would emphasize business & school reopenings? The "regulation changes" that De Santis provided by staying open more than most other states well served Florida's massive tourism industry.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 18:34

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Willa Rogers posted:

The CNN story points out that GWB's fundraising prowess in 1998 helped him in his 2000 run, so yeah, I'm sure that could be a factor.

And if Trump does run, De Santis could be making the case that he'd be a good veep choice with those sorts of numbers.

Why is it "wild" that business interests would emphasize business & school reopenings? The "regulation changes" that De Santis provided by staying open more than most other states well served Florida's massive tourism industry.

Because DeSantis made his big push for "Florida: Open for Business" when he was first elected with plans that even Rick Scott thought were too irresponsible to do while Governor, like waiving the requirements for companies to provide X jobs to get tax benefits for creating jobs, so they could get them by just opening a paper HQ, not only fully funding conferences for companies if they held them in Florida, but paying them to do so, so they actually made money by doing so, and slashing property taxes on businesses paid for by cutting school money.

And that all of the major donors are out of state, so they were not impressed/moved by the free money, taxes, or regulation changes in 2019, but his commitment to putting the general idea of business ahead of the health of his citizens (including things that would have actually been good for businesses like discouraging vaccinations and masks) was what moved them to throw millions of dollars at him. Even though they did not benefit from Florida schools and gyms being open months before other states.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:04

Bishyaler: Dec 30, 2009; Megamarm

small butter posted:

What a wet rag of a candidate DeSantis is. I wonder if he could even win a national race. Trump was Trump and Bush was somehow affable, but this guy?

This sounds like the same kind of talk we saw in 2016 before Trump ate the Dem's lunch. With current approval ratings (and the expected ratings after Biden loses congress in the midterms and continues his streak of doing nothing) the 2024 GOP could run a fart trapped in a jar and still win against Biden's phylactery / Kamala, charisma blackhole.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:17

selec: Sep 6, 2003

https://twitter.com/mtarm/status/1512495066560012291?s=21&t=ISnCFWMUv8MO9N1EBw13fQ

Too much FBI in the batter spoils the cake

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:21

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

I can totally understand why business owners in other states would support De Santis's stay-open policies, especially since the consequences weren't particularly lethal in context of Florida's elderly population, & especially since various Dem pols vacationing in Florida eventually made their own states look kind of hypocritical for hewing to restrictions.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:22

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

selec posted:

https://twitter.com/mtarm/status/1512495066560012291?s=21&t=ISnCFWMUv8MO9N1EBw13fQ

Too much FBI in the batter spoils the cake

Beat me to it. The FBI seems like a liability for many investigations into right wing violence. I wonder why that is.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:23

Bugsy: Jul 15, 2004; I'm thumpin'. That's
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Willa Rogers posted:

The CNN story points out that GWB's fundraising prowess in 1998 helped him in his 2000 run, so yeah, I'm sure that could be a factor.

And if Trump does run, De Santis could be making the case that he'd be a good veep choice with those sorts of numbers.

Why is it "wild" that business interests would emphasize business & school reopenings? The "regulation changes" that De Santis provided by staying open more than most other states well served Florida's massive tourism industry.

Supposedly trump didn't like the fact that De Santis was making more headlines than trump was back in Jan/Feb so they were feuding a bit. Who know how much is/was true, but trump is a petty piece of poo poo so I can see it being real.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:23

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

I mean it's probably good for account number shuffling for his social network peeps, but hasn't several studies over the years found that companies get poor ROIs when it comes to poltical donations.

at least directly. again if some company figures are already part of the in-network then I guess its good.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:24

selec: Sep 6, 2003

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Beat me to it. The FBI seems like a liability for many investigations into right wing violence. I wonder why that is.

They�re cursed until they come clean about MLK and Malcom

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:25

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Bugsy posted:

Supposedly trump didn't like the fact that De Santis was making more headlines than trump was back in Jan/Feb so they were feuding a bit. Who know how much is/was true, but trump is a petty piece of poo poo so I can see it being real.

This kind of sounds like Dem fan fiction tbh.

I could see Trump picking someone like Noem as veep but as the CNN story pointed out De Santis was a Trump prot�g�, and Trump's ego combined with De Santis's fundraising prowess (and what will likely be a double-digit win in his reelection) would be a powerful case for choosing him.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:28

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Bishyaler posted:

This sounds like the same kind of talk we saw in 2016 before Trump ate the Dem's lunch. With current approval ratings (and the expected ratings after Biden loses congress in the midterms and continues his streak of doing nothing) the 2024 GOP could run a fart trapped in a jar and still win against Biden's phylactery / Kamala, charisma blackhole.

Those kind of contradict each other, though.

Trump had far lower approval ratings in 2016 when he won. And he also lost the popular vote significantly and only narrowly won the electoral college. So, in that example he proved it is possible to win with much lower approvals, but he also barely won and got the lowest vote share of any modern Republican candidate for President except for John McCain.

Midterm performance also has no impact on Presidential re-elections.

Reagan lost the midterms dramatically and had an approval rating in the low 30's two years before he won 49 states.

Obama had the worst midterm showing in modern history right before he won re-election with the highest vote percentage of any modern President.

George W. Bush had a historic midterm, his approval cratered right after winning, and then he only won re-election by 0.7% in a single state.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:30

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Willa Rogers posted:

I can totally understand why business owners in other states would support De Santis's stay-open policies, especially since the consequences weren't particularly lethal in context of Florida's elderly population, & especially since various Dem pols vacationing in Florida eventually made their own states look kind of hypocritical for hewing to restrictions.

Florida has almost the exact same Covid death rate (and that is with Florida's underreporting and the fact that they stopped releasing death stats) as New York.

I really doubt that the people from Atlanta cutting $10 million checks months before any Democrat went to Florida were motivated to drop $10 million to Ron because AOC went to Florida while the Governor of New York had a vaccine mandate. That seems like a case of motivated reasoning resulting in assuming that Craig Menear from 2020 operates in a way to fit 2022 political narratives.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:39

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Midterm performance also has no impact on Presidential re-elections.

Reagan lost the midterms dramatically and had an approval rating in the low 30's two years before he won 49 states.

The GOP held onto ~~both houses of Congress~~ the Senate in 1982; the Dems gained one Senate seat (by replacing a Dem-leaning indy) and 27 House seats. Neither house changed party hands.

In comparison, Dems gained 41 House seats in 2018.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:42

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Willa Rogers posted:

The GOP held onto both houses of Congress in 1982; the Dems gained one Senate seat (by replacing a Dem-leaning indy) and 27 House seats.

In comparison, Dems gained 41 House seats in 2018.

I think you are mixing something up.

Newt Gingrich was a big deal because in 1994 he ended 60 years of Democratic dominance in the House. 1982 was definitely not 60 years prior to 1994.

Reagan lost both midterms by huge margins (Dems had a national popular vote margin of +12% in 1982) and Republicans never controlled the House or even gained any House seats in either of Reagan's midterms.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:48

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

^^^ Weird to see popular-vote figures used in an argument about district-based rep races. And I corrected the House majority party before you posted, but as I said, neither house of Congress ended up changing hands that year.

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Florida's total deaths-per-pop. figure for covid is lower than New York's, New Jersey's, Pennsylvania's & Michigan's--all states that operated nursing-home death camps at the beginning of the pandemic while De Santis did a better job of screening workers & protecting residents.

But yeah, if one's gonna tag on the caveat BUT FLORIDA LIED, there's no way of proving it.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:50

Mellow Seas: Oct 9, 2012; Can't post for 10 years!

Willa Rogers posted:

Florida's total deaths-per-pop. figure for covid is lower than New York's, New Jersey's, Pennsylvania's & Michigan's--all states that operated nursing-home death camps at the beginning of the pandemic while De Santis did a better job of screening workers & protecting residents.

But yeah, if one's gonna tag on the caveat BUT FLORIDA LIED, there's no way of proving it.

Florida didn't even have an outbreak in the first wave, when we hadn't figured out how to treat Covid or even really reduce its spread very much. (And it was spared from that wave by responsible states restricting their residents' movements.) New York had over half its covid deaths to date before Florida had had basically any. Florida also has zero areas with population density of even half New York City's. It seems unfair to compare straight death totals given these facts.

The delta wave peaked at 445 deaths a day in Florida and 50 deaths a day in New York (basically the same state population).

Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:57

nine-gear crow: Aug 10, 2013

small butter posted:

What a wet rag of a candidate DeSantis is. I wonder if he could even win a national race. Trump was Trump and Bush was somehow affable, but this guy?

There is a huge and growing undeserved population of ravenous sociopathic assholes in the United States who want to see someone absolutely and ruthlessly stick it to LGBT+ people, black people, poor people, women, really any other sliver of the population who aren't straight, white and male because their very existence is just far too woke for them to handle and it's time to push back.

DeSantis has a glidepath to the White House. He is the mythical "competent fascist" that Trump bulldozed all the wall down in preparation for.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:58

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Willa Rogers posted:

^^^ Weird to see popular-vote figures used in an argument about district-based rep races. And I corrected the House majority party before you posted, but as I said, neither house of Congress ended up changing hands that year.

Because the Dems already had huge majorities in the House and expanded them.

In 2018, they were in the minority.

They ended the 1982 cycle with 270 seats.
They ended the 2018 cycle with 234 seats.

Reagan lost 1982 far worse because the Republican party had already lost every swing seat and had nowhere to go but up that election, yet they still somehow ended up losing 27 safe Republican seats that year and fell below what they thought was rock bottom.

The Dems ended up with a 104 vote majority after 1982.

Edit:

For comparison, they had a 35 vote majority after 2018 and a 2 vote majority right now.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 8, 2022

# ? Apr 8, 2022 19:59

Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr: Jul 4, 2008

Mellow Seas posted:

Florida didn't even have an outbreak in the first wave, when we hadn't figured out how to treat Covid or even really reduce its spread very much. (And it was spared from that wave by responsible states restricting their residents' movements.) New York had over half its covid deaths to date before Florida had had basically any. Florida also has zero areas with population density of even half New York City's. It seems unfair to compare straight death totals given these facts.

The delta wave peaked at 445 deaths a day in Florida and 50 deaths a day in New York (basically the same state population).

Sure its unfair to compare them, its also unfair to blame Florida for following their own protocols that work best for their state. With lower population density and older population and a warmer climate, they didn't need the same level of restrictions as other states. But that didn't stop people from making GBS threads on Florida for not locking down enough.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:07

BougieBitch: Oct 2, 2013; Basic as hell

Willa Rogers posted:

But yeah, if one's gonna tag on the caveat BUT FLORIDA LIED, there's no way of proving it.

Excess deaths seems like it should be a useful metric here.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:08

Mellow Seas: Oct 9, 2012; Can't post for 10 years!

Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:

Sure its unfair to compare them, its also unfair to blame Florida for following their own protocols that work best for their state. With lower population density and older population and a warmer climate, they didn't need the same level of restrictions as other states.

I don't see how you can argue that they didn't "need" them when Florida had much, much higher death rates in the Delta and Omicron waves than New York did.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:08

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrr posted:

Sure its unfair to compare them, its also unfair to blame Florida for following their own protocols that work best for their state. With lower population density and older population and a warmer climate, they didn't need the same level of restrictions as other states. But that didn't stop people from making GBS threads on Florida for not locking down enough.

I mean, shortly after they implemented those policy changes, they went to the #2 highest death per capita state at the time and hit nearly the same per capita death rate as New York - which had no vaccines or federal aid during the initial outbreak, is 6x more population dense than Florida, and had already locked in 7 months of deaths.

Not really a strong endorsement.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:11

Leon Trotsky 2012: Aug 27, 2009; YOU CAN TRUST ME!*

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You thought it was over last week, but only now it is truly over.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1512509298588495874

Also, the youth in France love them some diet fascism.

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1512487469173800960

Even crazier is that, in the first round of voting, the even farther right minor candidate from the Reconqu�te party (yes, that name was picked because he wants to start a "reconquest" of France from the "occupying" forces) gets 34% of the youth vote - the top choice out of all the candidates for that age group.

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:21

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

You thought it was over last week, but only now it is truly over.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1512509298588495874

Also, the youth in France love them some diet fascism.

https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1512487469173800960

Even crazier is that, in the first round of voting, the even farther right minor candidate from the Reconquête party (yes, that name was picked because he wants to start a "reconquest" of France from the "occupying" forces) gets 34% of the youth vote - the top choice out of all the candidates for that age group.

The kids are all right

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:22

BougieBitch: Oct 2, 2013; Basic as hell

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

The kids are all right

"Alt", come in, it's right there

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:27

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# ? May 23, 2024 09:49

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

BougieBitch posted:

"Alt", come in, it's right there

Meet the alt right same as the old right

# ? Apr 8, 2022 20:30

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