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Pablo Nergigante posted:Woke up this morning, got yourself a deck TotalHell posted:You come into my house, on the day my ‘Walker is to ignite, and you ask me to cast Murder, for 1BB. Macdeo Lurjtux posted:"Just when I think I'm out, THEY FLICKER ME BACK INTO PLAY!" lol
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Apr 8, 2022 17:51
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3 CMC is a lot but this guy seems nuts in Najeela CEDH decks.
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Apr 8, 2022 17:51
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"one or more" means only one treasure per opponent right?
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Apr 8, 2022 17:56
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Bugsy posted:"one or more" means only one treasure per opponent right? ya
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Apr 8, 2022 17:56
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I think the 'steal an opponents card' effect worked very well with Robber of the Rich, it didn't let you play lands and it often hit a card that didn't really help your gameplan but it was a great way to get some card advantage for Red without being overpowered.
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Apr 8, 2022 17:58
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:They're fun fair enough. I'd be happy if they just keyworded "exile the top card of target opponent's library. For as long as it remains exiled, you may cast it and you may spend mana as though it were any color to cast it." devoting so much real estate to an effect that is no longer novel seems like a waste.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:19
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Just keyword it as Gonti. Gonti one of the top 4 cards of your opponents library. Your opponent reveals their hand and you Gonti a card out of it.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:21
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kalel posted:fair enough. I'd be happy if they just keyworded "exile the top card of target opponent's library. For as long as it remains exiled, you may cast it and you may spend mana as though it were any color to cast it." devoting so much real estate to an effect that is no longer novel seems like a waste. This I agree with. Facebreaker seems strong to me. Mana + CA is a powerful combo.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:21
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Oooh, this looks strong.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:24
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kalel posted:fair enough. I'd be happy if they just keyworded "exile the top card of target opponent's library. For as long as it remains exiled, you may cast it and you may spend mana as though it were any color to cast it." devoting so much real estate to an effect that is no longer novel seems like a waste. There are multiple variations of the wording including: is the card face up or face down, can you play lands, can you still play the card if ~ leaves the battlefield
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Apr 8, 2022 18:26
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kalel posted:fair enough. I'd be happy if they just keyworded "exile the top card of target opponent's library. For as long as it remains exiled, you may cast it and you may spend mana as though it were any color to cast it." devoting so much real estate to an effect that is no longer novel seems like a waste. I think part of the problem is they do a bunch of different variations on the same effect (no mana washing, limited to casting while an effect is active or until end of turn, the types of cards you can play off the effect, where you get the card from, etc) that it doesn’t save them that much in the long run.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:27
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Barry Shitpeas posted:There are multiple variations of the wording including: is the card face up or face down, can you play lands, can you still play the card if ~ leaves the battlefield that doesn't preclude the possibility of keywording the most common variant. how much design space are you really sacrificing by turning [steal-opponent-cards-final-draft_REVISION3 (2).txt] into "Gonti X" and porting some of the designs you have in the queue over to it? You can even open up design space by doing so, and you can still just write it or any other variant out in the future anyway (see surveil). They'd probably have to do it in a non-standard set because making that into a limited archetype might cause problems, but it could be done is not keywording it worth the constant disappointment of seeing a new card with lots of text, only for 2/3s of it to be that god forsaken hack job of an ability
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Apr 8, 2022 18:40
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It's like when they keyworded ward and the only previous card that actually worked the exact same way was Frost Titan (but they didn't change it anyway)
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Apr 8, 2022 18:41
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Kiki-Jiki, the Face Breaker deck... i will make it
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Apr 8, 2022 18:44
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"When ~ or another Vampire enters the battlefield under your control, take hostage the top card of each player's library"
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Apr 8, 2022 18:47
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Exiling cards from the top of an opponent's library to play is annoying as heck and it's weird there are cards like every set that are doing it.
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Apr 8, 2022 18:51
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It's funny because it's generally worse than just drawing a card but it has "cool factor" that makes it seem better
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Apr 8, 2022 18:52
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Do they actually do one type of the effect substantially more than the others? I feel like it's more diverse than people think. Gonti is top 4, any card, and washes the mana. Ragavan is top card, no lands, doesn't wash, expires. Opposition Agent is whatever matches the parameter of their tutor, doesn't expire, washes. Pako and Haldan requires fetch counters and is non-creature only and also hits your library. You Find some Prisoners is pick from top 3, expires, washes. Grenzo is top card, washes, expires. Like, how many cards just straight up Gonti? It seems low. Even if they do technically save some space by keywording the top card, they're going to have to have reminder on some percentage of those cards anyway. I don't think it's as much of a space/brain saver as you'd think. fadam fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Apr 8, 2022 18:54
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Owlbear Camus posted:Just keyword it as Gonti. It would be thematic too, like John Gonti, the mob boss!:  One thing I noticed about the new common fetches is that since they don't tap to sacrifice, if you have an active World Tree or Urborg or Yavimaya, you can tap the fetch for mana before it sacrifices itself!
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Apr 8, 2022 18:59
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now give me an army of the damned reprint
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Apr 8, 2022 19:01
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Anyway, maybe I don't "get" Commander but what exactly is the appeal of this card? It doesn't do anything for you, it's just "let's you and him fight" over and over until you only have 1 opponent left and whoops now it's actively bad
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Apr 8, 2022 19:03
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Anyway, maybe I don't "get" Commander but what exactly is the appeal of this card? It doesn't do anything for you, it's just "let's you and him fight" over and over until you only have 1 opponent left and whoops now it's actively bad There's a substantial amount of Commander players who actively have zero interest in playing good cards or ending a game before the half hour mark.
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Apr 8, 2022 19:04
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Not bad actually
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Apr 8, 2022 19:04
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Anyway, maybe I don't "get" Commander but what exactly is the appeal of this card? It doesn't do anything for you, it's just "let's you and him fight" over and over until you only have 1 opponent left and whoops now it's actively bad Goad, unlike provoke, means the creature has to attack someone else. Tapping it also removes a blocker.
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Apr 8, 2022 19:07
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Not bad actually Interesting. Usually, cheap counterspells that let your opponent pay mana are good in the early game, and played by tempo decks, but this lets you sacrifice some of your tempo to make really sure that a spell doesn't resolve. So I guess if you haven't won on turn 5, and your opponent has doomskar with 2 extra mana open you probably have at least 1 extra guy you can still win without. Or I guess control decks could use it and sacrifice the various 1/1 tokens they generate from like, castle ardenvale or something.
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Apr 8, 2022 19:09
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 Looks like th only rigging here was the weight class. Missed art opportunity
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Anyway, maybe I don't "get" Commander but what exactly is the appeal of this card? It doesn't do anything for you, it's just "let's you and him fight" over and over until you only have 1 opponent left and whoops now it's actively bad Usually, while you're letting everyone draw cards, and hitting someone with someone else's creatures, you're buying yourself breathing room to set up a combo or lock or something.
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Apr 8, 2022 19:13
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ilmucche posted:Exiling cards from the top of an opponent's library to play is annoying as heck and it's weird there are cards like every set that are doing it. It really is their new favourite thing. The "you may cast it, and you may pay mana of any colour to do so." Is really clunky and is begging for a keyword shortcut at this point.
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Barry Shitpeas posted:Anyway, maybe I don't "get" Commander but what exactly is the appeal of this card? It doesn't do anything for you, it's just "let's you and him fight" over and over until you only have 1 opponent left and whoops now it's actively bad The archetype is called group hug and its actively the worst poo poo in the world bc nobody who plays it bothers putting a wincon in thier deck so the game doesnt last 4 hours
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Fucker posted:this set will have the most multi colored spells and fixing of the past 5 years (in terms of standard sets, at least) and it wont be close imo feeling good ab this prediction 
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Apr 8, 2022 19:31
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lotta big butts in this format
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mandatory lesbian posted:The archetype is called group hug and its actively the worst poo poo in the world bc nobody who plays it bothers putting a wincon in thier deck so the game doesnt last 4 hours is this really a group hug card? you put the shield counter on another player's card, they have to tap it so you can swing at them. then on their turn. that creature with a shield counter has to attack someone else. since it has a shield counter it won't die when it has to attack another player. so basically you're causing issues for at least two other players in the game.
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I simply choose not to play commander
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Strong Sauce posted:is this really a group hug card? you put the shield counter on another player's card, they have to tap it so you can swing at them. then on their turn. that creature with a shield counter has to attack someone else. since it has a shield counter it won't die when it has to attack another player. so basically you're causing issues for at least two other players in the game. IDK if it's Group Hug or Group Slug or Group Snug or what but it's a 4 CMC card that barely does anything in a format filled with the most powerful cards ever printed in Magic the Gathering. You're not putting this in a deck if winning is one of your top five priorities.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:I simply choose not to play commander Wow hosed up I used to respect u
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Pablo Nergigante posted:I simply choose not to play commander this
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fadam posted:IDK if it's Group Hug or Group Slug or Group Snug or what but it's a 4 CMC card that barely does anything in a format filled with the most powerful cards ever printed in Magic the Gathering. You're not putting this in a deck if winning is one of your top five priorities.    apparently from precon? quote:Rain of Riches 3R  Dig up the corpse Instant Casualty 1 Mill 2 then return a creature card from your graveyard to your hand..
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TotalHell posted:Wow hosed up I used to respect u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
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A Moose posted:One thing I noticed about the new common fetches is that since they don't tap to sacrifice, if you have an active World Tree or Urborg or Yavimaya, you can tap the fetch for mana before it sacrifices itself! lol that's cool
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