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Apr 9, 2022 18:31
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eXXon posted:Personally I think managers contribute valuable labour, and CEOs should be able to unionize and negotiate a fair wage of salary and stock options up to an including the median for their employees. There is a union in my local transit system for supservisors/managers, only the ones directly appointed by the city aren't covered afaik. Lots of managers are exploted and managerial labour is absoloutely still labour. Oxyclean posted:When the public transit of my city went on strike and hosed over countless people (namely lower income folks), did that devalue the meaning of a strike? When my public transit went on strike and I didn't own a car I had to walk 5km to work in the winter every day. But I supported the bus drivers because the city could have ended the strike by agreeing to stop exploiting their employees but they chose not to.
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Apr 9, 2022 18:39
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The difference is whether or not they can hire and fire people not how much money they make holy gently caress. If a manager can't hire or fire anyone they should absolutely be able to strike with all the other workers.
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Apr 9, 2022 18:43
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Please rename this thread "managerial labour".
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Apr 9, 2022 18:45
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no one would notice if CEO's went on strike
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Apr 9, 2022 19:37
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RBC posted:Show me on the doll where the evil bus drivers touched you. Maybe it's the exception, but I've heard of a transit strike in Japan that worked by still running service but not collecting fares. At the end of the day, I agree and support for the right to strike, but it feels like we're coming up with some weird rules about what is a real strike or not, because I'd say loving over other working class people by shutting down essential services does not make for a very great strike if we're coming up with caveats. Like, I feels more like as long as you don't alone have the power/leverage to properly negotiate your labor/employment?
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Apr 9, 2022 19:39
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As others have mentioned, in the context of teachers strikes, public transit strikes, etc... their employers absolutely have the ability to negotiate to avert a strike, it's not the workers' fault if they refuse to do so.
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Apr 9, 2022 19:54
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Wistful of Dollars posted:no one would notice if CEO's went on strike Ya we would, there'd be a reprieve from companies hoovering up lesser companies and laying off as many staff as possible in this wonderful era of end stage capitalism that's basically highlander without the swords.
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Apr 9, 2022 20:15
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There's definitely a huge grey area in today's workplace of people who have 'manager-adjacent' responsibilities but can easily still be exploited by higher ups; most work places aren't just a bunch of low-medium skilled labourers on an assembly line; but programmers working in "teams" with several layers of responsibility and delegation between them and CEOs. My Crown story or rather my dad's crown story is a crown once stole a WW2 Luger from him. Just picked it up and walked off with it.
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Apr 9, 2022 21:47
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I feel like a large percentage of posters here need to be sent to labour reeducation camps. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 9, 2022 22:02
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If it's not from the Frappé region of France, it's just sparkling labor stoppage.
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Apr 10, 2022 03:21
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Wistful of Dollars posted:no one would notice if CEO's went on strike Are you suggesting that the prophet of the modern age, Ayn "gently caress You, Got Mine" Rand, was incorrect in her assertion that CEOs are the most valuable members of society? 
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Apr 10, 2022 04:46
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Can't say I expected to see an argument that only a certain class of people are "allowed" to strike. When you've gone so far left that you wrap right back around.
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Apr 10, 2022 14:23
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Mad Hamish posted:Are you suggesting that the prophet of the modern age, Ayn "gently caress You, Got Mine" Rand, was incorrect in her assertion that CEOs are the most valuable members of society? The president/ceo of my company is named after one of her characters and holy moly does he act like it Just poo poo canned the COO and took his role too
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Apr 10, 2022 14:26
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Mad Hamish posted:Are you suggesting that the prophet of the modern age, Ayn "gently caress You, Got Mine" Rand, was incorrect in her assertion that CEOs are the most valuable members of society? yes, yes i am. 
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Apr 10, 2022 15:19
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Fidelitious posted:Can't say I expected to see an argument that only a certain class of people are "allowed" to strike. Scab CEOs should be shot down when they arrive in their helicopters.
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Apr 10, 2022 19:18
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Fidelitious posted:Can't say I expected to see an argument that only a certain class of people are "allowed" to strike. I can't tell if this is a joke or not
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Apr 10, 2022 22:19
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RBC posted:I can't tell if this is a joke or not Doesn't seem to be a joke, and it makes sense even from a marxist perspective; he wrote a whole thing about how the processes of capitalism convert the formerly bourgeoisie into the proletariat, so it follows that the bourgeoisie should be allowed to resist capitalism by striking no?
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Apr 11, 2022 00:24
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RBC posted:I can't tell if this is a joke or not And your dogged insistence that there's an income threshold above which it is impossible to strike is insane enough to be barely distinguishable from parody, but here we are.
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Apr 11, 2022 04:03
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I’m saying this half jokingly, but technically wouldn’t it make sense for an employer, who has a high paid union, to pay the members just above the strike threshold so they can’t strike anymore? Or what happens if the union negotiates too high of a raise and then the members find out they can’t strike anymore?
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Apr 11, 2022 04:41
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’m saying this half jokingly, but technically wouldn’t it make sense for an employer, who has a high paid union, to pay the members just above the strike threshold so they can’t strike anymore? Or what happens if the union negotiates too high of a raise and then the members find out they can’t strike anymore? I imagine at some point inflation and workplace hazards make it imperative to regularly renegotiate salaries/raises; especially if the business is expanding and uses temp/non-salaried labour. Also I imagine many companies might feel a downward pressure from shareholders and the like as an example to keep costs low so actually generously raising wages might be difficult to justify since staffing is a huge chunk of "expenses". And places that did give good raises faced a lot of backlash, like that one young CEO guy who decided one day everyone in his startup would be paid a living wage; he lost a chunk of workers who disliked people suddenly making as much as they did and he lost clients/customers who now thought his company's services/products would be too expensive; just a huge amount of irrationality is baked into corporate capitalism.
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Apr 11, 2022 04:56
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Raenir Salazar posted:I imagine at some point inflation and workplace hazards make it imperative to regularly renegotiate salaries/raises; especially if the business is expanding and uses temp/non-salaried labour. Also I imagine many companies might feel a downward pressure from shareholders and the like as an example to keep costs low so actually generously raising wages might be difficult to justify since staffing is a huge chunk of "expenses".
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Apr 11, 2022 05:57
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’m saying this half jokingly, but technically wouldn’t it make sense for an employer, who has a high paid union, to pay the members just above the strike threshold so they can’t strike anymore? Or what happens if the union negotiates too high of a raise and then the members find out they can’t strike anymore? This is literally how labour negotiations work. Jfc
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Apr 11, 2022 11:59
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One weird trick unions hate: avoid labour strife by compensating workers generously.
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Apr 11, 2022 12:05
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linoleum floors posted:This is literally how labour negotiations work. Jfc It is not. There is no maximum pay above which you magically become management.
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Apr 11, 2022 12:17
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RBC posted:I can't tell if this is a joke or not I mean, I'm not the one in favour of restricting labour rights based on how much money you make so you tell me who the joker is.
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Apr 11, 2022 13:53
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CBC: Don't panic but... panic! They were on the radio today saying stock up, be careful! Super blizzard hitting Southern MB Tuesdsay night and going till Thursday or something  30-80 cm? Who knows. I thought the weather is kinda warm enough that it won't be a big deal but it's dipping.I trust in Frankie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTcq56fgPM
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Apr 11, 2022 13:54
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Also CBC: A tearful profile of a "homeless landlord", brought low by LTB and rental regulations.
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Apr 11, 2022 14:18
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infernal machines posted:Also CBC: A tearful profile of a "homeless landlord", brought low by LTB and rental regulations. gently caress I heard that and was infuriated. "I own 2 houses and i got a divorce and now they just won't leave and they put peanut butter everywhere" Yeah, well - you kicked em out - gently caress you.
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Apr 11, 2022 14:24
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Peanut butter everywhere?? Is that the Canadian polite version of smearing feces on the walls?
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Apr 11, 2022 14:27
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Oh no my small business failed because it was regulated out of existence for some unknowable reason, surely I must be the victim in all of this
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Apr 11, 2022 14:29
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I feel like I've time travelled - I thought landlord apologia talking about how they can't evict anyone and they're all gonna be homeless was all summer 2020 stuff. Why is this coming out now like 2 years after the fact?
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Apr 11, 2022 14:42
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Human interest? Or maybe a concerted push to get the soon-to-be-re-elected PCPO majority to reform tenants rights.
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Apr 11, 2022 14:44
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Apr 11, 2022 14:46
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“I guarantee you I will never rent again.” Sounds like a happy ending to me.
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Apr 11, 2022 14:59
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Kibayasu posted:“I guarantee you I will never rent again.” If you're sleeping in teh bank's car, technically you're leasing
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Apr 11, 2022 15:26
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infernal machines posted:Also CBC: A tearful profile of a "homeless landlord", brought low by LTB and rental regulations. I'm interested to hear how someone who owned two homes and was presumably forced to sell one of them (or get bought out by their ex-spouse, I don't know how this poo poo works) can't afford to rent even a studio apartment, but for some reason the article doesn't discuss this.
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Apr 11, 2022 15:37
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eXXon posted:I'm interested to hear how someone who owned two homes and was presumably forced to sell one of them (or get bought out by their ex-spouse, I don't know how this poo poo works) can't afford to rent even a studio apartment, but for some reason the article doesn't discuss this. If it is a divorce settlement they were likely bought out for zero dollars as they kept the other house. They then split the $18 in the checking account.
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Apr 11, 2022 15:52
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Crow Buddy posted:If it is a divorce settlement they were likely bought out for zero dollars as they kept the other house. They then split the $18 in the checking account. Well it says there was a mortgage on the second house so unless they had equal equity in both, surely there'd be a payout in one direction or the other? Alternatively, neither of them were anywhere near paid off and they just had massive liabilities on modest income but there's no way government policies would allow, let alone encourage that.
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Apr 11, 2022 16:04
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Found the target demo for that CBC article: (the in-line link is the article)
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Apr 11, 2022 16:31
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