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Thanks for the discussion everyone lol I reformatted my question to the following in another thread: The Demilich posted:Opinions on speaker combinations in extension cabs, specifically what pairs well sound wise with 2x12" Celestion v30's (I have the Harley Benton G212v). Reading through the discussion here, it hit me to give my amp faq a once over and here's what it says: Quilter posted:Quilter Tone Block 202 is fully protected and can drive any load, or no load at all. So uh, I guess as long as I'm not riding past 4ohms into 2 ohm territory I'm fine and can mix and match as I please? I really am unsure how to feel about this though. On one hand I'm unsure how this load discrepancy really affects my volume output. Is it drastic? No idea, and I can't personally test it. Moreso though, I'm wondering if throwing caution to the wind will screw me long term, like what if my amp dies and I'm unable to get a replacement that can handle these two different loaded cabs? Makes me feel uneasy having gear potentially being underutilized. I'm wondering if it might be better to design this new extension cabinet a bit like the G212v wiring wise just so I can maximize my ability to pair both of my cabinets with other amps in the future. The G212v is two 16 ohm speakers in parallel, so maybe that will be how this new cabinet is wired, with two 16ohm #" speakers in parallel totalling 8 ohms, minimum 100 watts. This leaves the door open for strange combinations and I'm open to it.
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Now that I'm more informed, I feel like I can retool the question a bit. I'm building an extension cab, and would like speaker opinions. I'd like the cab to meet the following considerations:
Here's where I get in my head and probably need help. Things to keep in mind: posted:Remember, your cabinets wattage should equal be double the amps peak wattage output as a safety measure so the speakers don't blow. Weber speakers were recommended in the other thread and I'm very interested in those given this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6pC6ZzTWj8 Edit: I realized that you're supposed to double the speaker wattage not be equal to or greater than it, so I'm only 120w out of 400w, not 200w. So since I'm using two separate cabinets, one of which is capped at 120w, I will need to make up the remaining difference in the other cab I guess. Maybe a Werewolf 15" @150w & a Black Shuck 12" @200w (both @12ohm wired parallel totaling 300w) would work? 120w+300w=420w. Weber doesn't list sensitivity or specs on their speakers though, so I've no idea how the v30's would fair in the mix. Think these cabs would work together? The Demilich fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 12, 2022 23:05
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You're over complicating this. At the same time, when it comes to Quilters and Class D power, it's not the most straightforward either. Someone who has more time and inclination can explain why, but the short version is to not worry so much about wattage matching, as these amps are designed to handle a wide range of conventional speakers. A single 60 Watt Celestion is perfectly usable for a Tone Block 202. The impedance is much more important. E: if you want distortion for musical purposes, there's probably many out there who will advocate getting lower wattage speakers. They won't blow, but they'll clip more easily the tingler fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Feb 13, 2022 18:17
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I'm not sure what your goals are here. If you just don't want to risk blowing speakers, the easiest solution is to get higher wattage speakers and then never worry about it. I've never played through a Quilter amp so I'm not super familiar with them but based on videos I'm seeing, they aren't particularly high gain. Are you putting a fuzz or preamp pedal in front of it for extra doom?
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My goals are I want to add more speakers to my mix, and different ones than what I already have. I also want to make sure I can take full advantage sonically of what I have, as my amp is currently capable of pumping out more power than my cabinet can handle, so that needs to be rectified. Alterations to my tone come directly from my pedal board. I custom built my board to match the physical layout below:  Only thing out of date from the look of this is the guitar pickups, but basically everything listed here is what I'm working with.
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I'm more of a collector these days than a serious musician (ok I was never a serious musician). Some years back I picked up a white bronco AC15 and the thing has honestly probably been turned on less than 3-5 hours in its life. Finally take down one of my Jacksons just now to try and eke out a few riffs but before I even plug into the amp, its emitting this sort of WoWoWoWoW sorta sound. Reverb is set to 0, so I'm sorta confused here. When I plug in, its the same thing. This raising any alarms for anyone? I never did learn a great deal about amps. The thing is pristine and as I said, has seen little use. Dormancy have something to do with it maybe?
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Feb 18, 2022 19:41
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First port of call would be checking the tubes, likely a preamp valve needs replacing
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Feb 18, 2022 20:03
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I wonder if that is normal on amps with a tube tremolo.
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Feb 19, 2022 04:28
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My ‘69 Super Reverb has a similar issue. It’s probably one of the filter caps.
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Anyone here knowledgable about Telefunkens? I'm consideirng a Concertino (101/105/205/305) since I want a nice looking vintage receiver that also receives shortwave. It's not a tube amp, late 60s, early 70s era stuff.
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I grew up around them. Honestly if looks are a consideration and perfect fidelity is not, anything that survived 50 years functional is probably gonna keep working extremely adequately. Maybe it'll need new caps but also maybe it already has them. Maybe you'll need an adapter to get a TRS signal but RCAs have been around since the 30s. That being said this is probably the thread you're looking for: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3021252
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Just had to post my luck. Just yesterday, both of my amps have decided they need new tubes. I found what I needed from a seller on eBay but dude’s in Ukraine so the shipping might take a while. Does this count as helping the war effort?
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stoopidmunkey posted:Just had to post my luck. Just yesterday, both of my amps have decided they need new tubes. I found what I needed from a seller on eBay but dude’s in Ukraine so the shipping might take a while. Does this count as helping the war effort? Get multiples while you can
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I now actively want to sell my Electric Amp MV120 head because I've been out of work for over a year and need the rent money but I'm so burned out on insultingly pushy low-ballers on anything I've tried to sell over the past few years. "I know you said $2000 firm but would you take $450?" type poo poo. Absolutely sick and tired of it.
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Apr 11, 2022 01:00
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amp prices are insane right now you may be able to get something for it
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Catastrophe posted:I now actively want to sell my Electric Amp MV120 head because I've been out of work for over a year and need the rent money but I'm so burned out on insultingly pushy low-ballers on anything I've tried to sell over the past few years. To be fair, you can buy a brand new brand name Matamp GT120MV for under $2k USD. Just take the EL84's out and sell THEM for $2000. With the tube amp panic that's more likely to sell lol
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The number was just an example
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The amp price increases have been crazy - I bought my DSL40CR for $675 a year ago (retailing for $750), and now they're retailing for $1050.
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I’ve been watching Orange Thunderverbs for no good reason because I have one, and the 50 watt seems stable at 1500. Fun amp, but niche.
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I've always wanted a Thunderverb because doom, and doom alone. Too bad they don't make them any more.
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curried lamb of God posted:The amp price increases have been crazy - I bought my DSL40CR for $675 a year ago (retailing for $750), and now they're retailing for $1050. I have a little DSL 1. The Marshall DSL series is genuinely good stuff. I had a Marshall TSL previously that I just couldn't agree with but the DSLs are *chefskiss* EDIT: This well known goofy dude agrees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvMaSIOePZs e: My choice for live high-gain guitar is still my Engl e530, though. The thing is so dry it's incredible. It's like playing with sound that's like a light switch. On/off/on/off/on/off so unbelievably fast if you're playing fast metal. The 530 is insanely quick. You may not notice it if hearing it but playing it will definitely show off any mistake you make in playing in immediate glory. Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Apr 12, 2022 |
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Catastrophe posted:I have a little DSL 1. The Marshall DSL series is genuinely good stuff. I had a Marshall TSL previously that I just couldn't agree with but the DSLs are *chefskiss* Also gonna go on record to say even within the JCM2000 range the DSL series is generally considered far superior to the TSL series, and the new DSL range is based on the 2000 DSL range. I've played all three. I'd be happy with either DSL, TSL seemed like a lot of options and none hit home quite as easily as the DSLs, for whatever that is worth. The TSL in no slouch, but honestly had a lot of options I don't think anyone needed.
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syntaxfunction posted:Also gonna go on record to say even within the JCM2000 range the DSL series is generally considered far superior to the TSL series, and the new DSL range is based on the 2000 DSL range. Yeah, that's how I ended up with amps like my Electric where it just has a few knobs and then GO! This is my old TSL combo. I didn't like that it sounded too good. Does that make sense? Like I wanted something that wasn't so smooth and had more snarl. Soooooo.... I ended up with an early Peavey 5150. I want to go on record right away to state that I should be punched in the face for how I eventually sold that amp. 
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Back when DSLs were becoming truly ubiquitous my old buds and I took our guitars into a Loud Lounge with one. It blew us all away, one after another. It had all the gain we could use, a decent clean sound, great break-up tone, and it was amazingly quiet. We all wanted to take it home. We spent the rest of the visit trying to get a single tone out of the TSL and we gave up. And best of all, the magic only lasted that one visit. Went back to play the DSL again another day and it was good. Just good. I won't try to explain it. Apparently after that DSLs took over to the extent that backlash started against them? If I'd bought one, that woulda bummed me out.
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The problem with the 2000 DSLs is that some runs had thin circuit boards that could short and catch fire. The problem with TSLs is they cost a lot more but weren't a lot more satisfying for most people. If someone gave me a TSL head I would never complain.
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Cross posting from the guitar thread because I forgot there was an amp thread. I’m looking to probably get a Helix some time in the future. However I currently have an Orange AD15. I live in an apartment so it’s gotta be all headphones. Is there any way I can get the Orange into the mix with the Helix? Obviously I could put the Helix in front but then I couldn’t use the amp/cab sims, it would just be an effects board. A bit of reading led me to believe that you need an amp with an effects loop to do the 4 cable method. TLDR: will the AD15 and Helix ever play nice together if I have to use headphones. Or is it one or the other?
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A load box such as the two notes line that has an output at line level, send that into the helix. The thing about that setup is if youre using the AD15 with the helix then the helix effects become redundant anyway surely? and if you really need to record at headphone level I would just use the helix entirely without the amp. massive spider fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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massive spider posted:A load box such as the two notes line that has an output at line level, send that into the helix. I don’t need to record, just play along to stuff. Yeah figured just using the Helix is the easiest option would just be nice to incorporate my AD15 if possible without swapping cables etc.
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If you have the helix set up right you wouldn't really need to swap cables. Just have the AD15(+loadbox) in one of its loop and then separate patches for different things that bring into the loop or exclude it.
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syntaxfunction posted:I've always wanted a Thunderverb because doom, and doom alone. Too bad they don't make them any more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAL_14qLOas
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dumb question - can I damage an amplifier by playing a eurorack level signal into it? I can't think of why (like its just gonna distort, right?) but I'd rather ask first than finding out this is the secret to releasing the magic smoke its a 90s fender solid state combo if that matters for some reason
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JamesKPolk posted:dumb question - can I damage an amplifier by playing a eurorack level signal into it? I can't think of why (like its just gonna distort, right?) but I'd rather ask first than finding out this is the secret to releasing the magic smoke Does it have an FX loop? Most of those 90s fenders have line level FX loops so it should work fine in there.
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It does... but its a Princeton Chorus so sticking things in the stereo loop is half of what I'm after. I mean I have converters/DI poo poo to get it to reasonable levels, but I kinda like solid state distortion on synths, so I'm wondering.... what if I didn't? I guess the return is still gonna get me the spring and chorus, maybe that's enough.
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You aren't going to damage anything putting an audio signal into it, no. The amount of signal you'd have to put into it to damage it is not audio but power. If your eurorack is outputting a signal hot enough to power home electronics I'd be more cautious of that. It might just sound like poo poo. Or it'll be fine. Impedence matching etc etc but also older amps had multiple inputs that were just different impedences/signal level inputs. People would often plug into whatever for tonal reasons. See old amps with a Mic and Instrument input and you can just plug the guitar into the mic in for a different sound.
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Soldano SLO mini... lookin mighty tasty...
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muike posted:Soldano SLO mini... lookin mighty tasty... The Friedman mini is great, I bet the SLO mini is mighty fine. I've been thinking about how to justify it, where I could get a little cab for it, and where to put it but have not yet sold myself on it, especially having just got the 5150 Iconic 40W.
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Agreed posted:The Friedman mini is great, I bet the SLO mini is mighty fine. I've been thinking about how to justify it, where I could get a little cab for it, and where to put it but have not yet sold myself on it, especially having just got the 5150 Iconic 40W. All the mini heads Boutique Amps Distribution did are based on the same power amp architecture and they all sound awesome. If you like the Friedman or the SLO but want something with a different flavor of aggressive the Diezel and Bogner rip as well.
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I kinda want all of them
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I've never played a Soldano irl but I can confirm this mini one is one of the gnarliest sounding high gain solid state amps I've ever used. It definitely likes some guitars more than others though, my lower tuned guitars sounded best
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