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12 | 10.62% |
| UAP Majoirty |
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21 | 18.58% |
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Senor Tron posted:If Labor hadn't looked like a shoe in at the last election there's a chance they might have actually won. When it looks like a landslide there are some people who won't vote for them to try and keep balance. Didn't this happen in QLD, where a bunch of people assumed Campbell Newman would win, so they voted Labor. Even though they wanted the Libs to win. And then were upset when Libs lost.
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Senor Tron posted:If Labor hadn't looked like a shoe in at the last election there's a chance they might have actually won. When it looks like a landslide there are some people who won't vote for them to try and keep balance. I think this is related to the deranged mutants that vote Labor lower house Liberal upper house or the reverse
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Apr 10, 2022 04:39
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Solemn Sloth posted:I think this is related to the deranged mutants that vote Labor lower house Liberal upper house or the reverse Some kind of brain broken committment to "the middle" with no understanding of what that actually means.
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Apr 10, 2022 04:55
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scott morrison posted:“I love this country and I love Australians.”
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Apr 10, 2022 05:11
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GoldStandardConure posted:Didn't this happen in QLD, where a bunch of people assumed Campbell Newman would win, so they voted Labor. Even though they wanted the Libs to win. Well now they can vote for Newman again!
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Apr 10, 2022 05:34
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GoldStandardConure posted:Didn't this happen in QLD, where a bunch of people assumed Campbell Newman would win, so they voted Labor. Even though they wanted the Libs to win. it also didn't look like it was going to be a landslide to labor in 2019 either - that's on the table for this election but it never really was for last election. what the polls indicated was likely then was a small labor majority only.
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Apr 10, 2022 06:05
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https://twitter.com/Superchair14/status/1512914553603969026 I almost hope this happens just because it would drive the drips (more) insane
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Apr 10, 2022 06:25
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OPENING SALVOS NOW ON TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7JH14P_oo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVOQJZdv76M
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Apr 10, 2022 06:25
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Morrison's pitch at re-election being just "You know I'm poo poo and I didn't do anything to prevent obvious disasters BUT with Albo you don't know how poo poo he's going to be!" is the type of thing that got him kicked out of marketing.
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Apr 10, 2022 06:40
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A Perfect Twist posted:Morrison's pitch at re-election being just "You know I'm poo poo and I didn't do anything to prevent obvious disasters BUT with Albo you don't know how poo poo he's going to be!" is the type of thing that got him kicked out of marketing. "How good's that?"
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Apr 10, 2022 07:53
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A Perfect Twist posted:Morrison's pitch at re-election being just "You know I'm poo poo and I didn't do anything to prevent obvious disasters BUT with Albo you don't know how poo poo he's going to be!" is the type of thing that got him kicked out of marketing. Wheel out Lara "Where the bloody hell's Albo?"
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Apr 10, 2022 08:11
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My optimism is bleeding away into pessimism. Considering interest rates are going to rise faster than expected, how hosed are Labor if Labor is elected?
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Apr 10, 2022 08:28
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Gentleman Baller posted:My optimism is bleeding away into pessimism. I think the more poignant question is "how hosed are you if they're not?"
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Apr 10, 2022 08:36
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2022/04/election-of-the-damned-australia-goes-to-the-polls-with-a-pickaxe/ There's quite a few things in here that make me cringe, but they're not wrong on "employer groups talk about ‘skills shortages’ when all of them are essentially inward facing and have no identifiable skills shortage that couldn’t be addressed with more training". In a lot of cases, what employers say is a skills shortage is actually a pay and conditions shortage, or a shortage of industries paying to train and develop workers. That and I hear the skilled occupation list is a political football when it should really be more of a dynamic thing set by an independent authority. hooman posted:Some kind of brain broken committment to "the middle" with no understanding of what that actually means. Most peoples starting point is that their personal viewpoint is the middle without ever critically assessing whether that's true or accurate, or whether their rendition of 'the middle' is actually a desirable one or if their ideal changes to the world would actually have the impact that they'd like to see. E.g. If you hate people on welfare and describe them all as being 'dole bludgers' who are merely 'wanting to stay home and do nothing', odds are you aren't going to realise that if that were true (i.e. they really were all faking being unable to find employment), it may be desirable for us as a society to collectively pay them off so the have-nots don't start stealing from the haves. (The dole needs to be raised, bleh, I'm so over talking about it  )A Perfect Twist posted:Morrison's pitch at re-election being just "You know I'm poo poo and I didn't do anything to prevent obvious disasters BUT with Albo you don't know how poo poo he's going to be!" is the type of thing that got him kicked out of marketing. Appealing to peoples fear of the unknown isn't a bad strategy when you've got literally nothing else going for you.
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Apr 10, 2022 08:36
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froglet posted:There's quite a few things in here that make me cringe, but they're not wrong on "employer groups talk about ‘skills shortages’ when all of them are essentially inward facing and have no identifiable skills shortage that couldn’t be addressed with more training". In a lot of cases, what employers say is a skills shortage is actually a pay and conditions shortage, or a shortage of industries paying to train and develop workers. This is a good point. In the land before time (pre neo-con ideals of the 80s and 90s) the Commonwealth and state governments had massive apprenticeship and internship programs across a whole range of fields. You could be a mechanic working on government motor pools, or constructing public housing, or learning electronics and telecommunications as a Telecom apprentice, or do HVAC for government buildings. My uncle got his boilermaker's ticket working for Department of Territories in the A.C.T. It wasn't that long ago you could sit the APS entrance exam and get in as basic clerical. Then of course everything that could possibly be done by a donor's company got sold off long ago. "Private sector is more efficient" is the mantra, without any evidence to back it up. There are still graduate programs in the APS but it's not the same as vocational skill training in technical and trades. You can join the Defence Force and get skilled that way, but it's not attractive to everyone. We could address homelessness with a massive construction program that was also a skills program, or have NBNCo skill up technicians and not use labour hire for delivery. There'd have to be some consideration of companies already working in these spaces, but they can adjust to not having super profits.
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Apr 10, 2022 09:02
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Don Dongington posted:I think the more poignant question is "how hosed are you if they're not?" it does feel like a real danger that labor have heavily constrained themselves by trying to be everything to everyone - "pro-business and pro-employer" AND promising full employment and real wages growth, lots of good spending initiatives AND no new taxes and committing to "spend responsibly" to reduce debt. it would be hard to make that all work in more stable times but when we're facing so many ongoing crises and labor are also established gigantic cowards, it's very easy to see them completely bungle things trying to avoid breaking their more conservative promises, either just through incompetence constrained by their existing promises or something like deciding to suddenly pivot to serious austerity to "responsibly" handle inflation etc.
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Apr 10, 2022 09:06
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While I think its pretty clear any negative impacts from rampant inflation and unexpected huge interest rate hikes aren't something Labor can avoid, I also am really scared that they can't pull off, "It's yet another recession Australia had to have." Sons and daughters of people who lost their homes under Labor in the 90s are going to do it again here and I'm dooming pretty hard about it. I don't know anything about Labor's treasurer, Dr. Jim Charlmers. Is he good? Any reason to think he will come off well when Peta Credlin has him on and demands he flagellate himself over the destruction of Australia's white children?
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Apr 10, 2022 09:19
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Capt.Whorebags posted:This is a good point. In the land before time (pre neo-con ideals of the 80s and 90s) the Commonwealth and state governments had massive apprenticeship and internship programs across a whole range of fields. You could be a mechanic working on government motor pools, or constructing public housing, or learning electronics and telecommunications as a Telecom apprentice, or do HVAC for government buildings. My uncle got his boilermaker's ticket working for Department of Territories in the A.C.T. It wasn't that long ago you could sit the APS entrance exam and get in as basic clerical. Ironically, I did do a telco apprenticeship through my employer at the very start of the NBN rollout program, my work was given some sort of kickback for doing it.
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Apr 10, 2022 10:41
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Capt.Whorebags posted:This is a good point. In the land before time (pre neo-con ideals of the 80s and 90s) the Commonwealth and state governments had massive apprenticeship and internship programs across a whole range of fields. I thought it was neoliberalism. Reagan, Thatcher, Hawkie/Keating, Clinton, Blair. New liberalism is about privatization, deregulation, free trade, let the private sector provide government services etc. Did you mean something else happened starting in the 80s?
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Apr 10, 2022 13:38
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The neo-con thing was more used to describe the Bush 1/2 era hawkish Americans who were more concerned with pumping money into the military industrial complex while persuing global hegemony via a series of asymmetrical conflicts, (which in reality isn't that far removed from Nixon era Republicans). But the Reagan admin that famously embodied neoliberalism was more concerned with domestic economic policy, and this carried on through Clinton and then Obama after a brief diversion. Reagan ramped up military spending to untold heights, but this was more about bankrupting the Soviet union and killing socialism than the outright warmongering for profit you saw out of the Bushes.
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Apr 10, 2022 14:03
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freebooter posted:https://twitter.com/Superchair14/status/1512914553603969026 "socially progressive, fiscally conservative"
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Apr 10, 2022 15:39
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https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1513003656584388618 powerful aura from this
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Apr 10, 2022 16:00
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I keep having to check to make sure my monitor is on whenever I see it
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Apr 10, 2022 16:05
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Animal Friend posted:https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1513003656584388618 That's the most personally relatable picture I've ever seen of a politician and I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Apr 10, 2022 17:13
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Just one poll, but still lol: "Voters deserting Coalition in Queensland and WA: Resolve survey" https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/voters-deserting-coalition-in-queensland-and-wa-resolve-survey-20220410-p5acdx.html
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Apr 10, 2022 21:15
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freebooter posted:Just one poll, but still lol: This feels like last time, where we ended up having a swing towards the LNP though. Remember folks, the only survey worth a drat is the one on the 21st of May.
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Apr 10, 2022 21:23
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Is it possible for an american shitlib like myself to understand what nick xenophon is and why it makes aussies explode into emoji when he/it comes up, or is it like trying to explain four dimensional math to a bar napkin?
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Apr 10, 2022 21:54
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Ranter posted:I thought it was neoliberalism. Reagan, Thatcher, Hawkie/Keating, Clinton, Blair. New liberalism is about privatization, deregulation, free trade, let the private sector provide government services etc. Did you mean something else happened starting in the 80s? No, you're right, that's it. You could hardly call Keating a conservative but he was sure happy to flog off assets.
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Apr 10, 2022 22:24
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xarph posted:Is it possible for an american shitlib like myself to understand what nick xenophon is and why it makes aussies explode into emoji when he/it comes up, or is it like trying to explain four dimensional math to a bar napkin? idk what you mean by 'explode into emoji', can't think of anything about xenophon that would lead to that sort of reaction he was a long-time independent senator from south australia who is attempting a political comeback at this election. he established a name for himself as an independent in the south australian parliament on a 'no pokies' (slot machines) platform before moving to the federal senate in 2007. he formed a party and was successful enough to have two more senators elected under his ticket in elections since (this is very, very successful for an independent in australian politics, it's very difficult for even a single independent to be elected to the senate), but then quit the senate in 2017 to run for the south australian parliament in 2018 (this time in the lower house, he was aiming to become premier) but that campaign was very unsuccessful. he then retired from politics and the remains of his party have had no success without him around. he's attempting to be elected to the senate again in the upcoming election as an independent once more and probably has a good chance, but it's not certain or anything. he's generally fairly centrist & an opportunist focused mostly on getting funding for south australia. known for campaign stunts and a sort of 'anti-politician' image
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Apr 10, 2022 22:25
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lih posted:idk what you mean by 'explode into emoji', can't think of anything about xenophon that would lead to that sort of reaction He's also very, very willing to lie down with complete nutbars like Bob Katter when campaigning and is likely hollow.
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Apr 10, 2022 22:30
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don't think being willing to campaign alongside katter for issues they agree on really says much, katter is not someone like hanson or palmer that no one should be willing to touch at all. but he is an opportunist, yes.
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Apr 10, 2022 22:39
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The real risk with Katter is that you could be doing a joint presser about an issue that you both feel particularly passionate enough, and he'll just start ranting about crocodiles.
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Apr 11, 2022 01:08
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i'd vote for albo's mum
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Apr 11, 2022 01:18
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https://twitter.com/Hughiehogan/status/1512214726427623426
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Apr 11, 2022 01:21
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a roundabout way of saying the new premier of tasmania is the big spud in sassafras
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Apr 11, 2022 03:07
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Animal Friend posted:https://twitter.com/AlboMP/status/1513003656584388618 I would make this man PM in a heartbeat. I relate to this man. Still going to put Greens first though, because he's not in my seat.
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Apr 11, 2022 03:29
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 ah wonderful. just go for the transphobe vote. loving election season.
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Apr 11, 2022 04:20
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Answering the dumb economic gotcha questions should be the first thing you prepare for if you’re labor lol
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Apr 11, 2022 04:36
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Synthbuttrange posted:
It’s been a poo poo day for them both, everyone’s already running with Albo not knowing the cash rate and employment rate rather than PM backing transphobia and unaware of Miller’s 500k payout as well as Tudge being or not being a cabinet member… who knows?!
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Centusin posted:Answering the dumb economic gotcha questions should be the first thing you prepare for if you’re labor lol Nah, Labor should start spouting the line that the unemployment rate isn't a great mechanism of tracking workforce participation, and that underemployment remains high with many Australian's working multiple jobs to get by. Twist their dumbarse questions into an actual useful line, and an attack on the government. And heck, the dipshit Aussie media.
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