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As you'll see throughout this, they're never called a romantic couple in the book, just "friends", so you wouldn't necessarily see it unless you looked for it. As far as YA books with gay characters in 2000 (when this book came out), they did exist. There weren't many of them, but they were there. For those people interested, Christine Jenkins (who was a grad student at the University of Illinois) made a website, which can still be on the wayback machine here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150217004640/http://people.lis.illinois.edu/~cajenkin/yabib.html where she tries to list all young adult fiction with explicit LGBT characters from 1969-2009.
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Fuschia tude posted:The word itself was still taboo, a schoolyard insult. Can't speak for kids today but it was definitely still an insult (and there were definitely no openly gay kids at my school) up to when I graduated in 2005, in a medium-sized Australian city.
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Chapter 17quote:“Let’s do it. Let’s rescue Mertil and kick some Yeerk butt.” You know, as obnoxious as Marco can be, his intentions are good. Also, Jake is very much acting the Prince here. He doesn't usually pull rank on Ax...it makes him uncomfortable, but he does it here. Chapter 18 quote:I understand ruthless. Is it suspicious you have a platoon of Hork Bajir just hanging out in a box car, even if they do need to guard a prisoner?
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Chapter 19quote:Night was falling fast. Maybe the mass of clustered, hulking railroad cars added to the sense of gloom that seemed to be descending over the old yard and station. Yep. This doesn't prove to be an easy fight. Chapter 20 quote:““Aaahhh!” They're definitely outnumbered and in danger. This is true. But one of the more interesting things (and it does make sense, really) is how much more effecitve Ax and Gafinilan are fighting side by side. This is, of course, what Andalites do.
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# ? Apr 10, 2022 03:36 |
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Sorry. No new chapters tonight. We'll pick it up tomorrow. What did you all think about the weekend's chapters?
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# ? Apr 11, 2022 03:47 |
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Andalites on Earth seem like the other castaways that would show up on Gilligan's Island. It's interesting when they appear and give you hope things will change, but by the episode it's status quo as normal.
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# ? Apr 11, 2022 06:10 |
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It seems like my earlier theory has been discounted, but it seems really weird that in an advanced spacefaring society that having a missing or damaged limb provokes such a deep hatred from a child. Especially when juxtaposed with the idea that such a thing wouldn't matter at all if they didn't ALSO lack the ability to morph. It's a weird decision and I'm really trying to understand what the point of the "vecol" character is, besides just making Andalites another step towards totalitarian eugenicists. If my earlier theory had been correct it would have made more sense with everything else we previously knew about Andalites.
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# ? Apr 11, 2022 07:14 |
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I feel like a lot of their society is just deeply backward and obsessed with ~honourable manly tail fighting~, and any factor that shuts you out of the warrior culture shuts you out of any chance at respect. There's also another factor which IMO explains why they're like this that hasn't come up yet.
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# ? Apr 11, 2022 19:11 |
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Not to get all biotruth here, but part of it is that Andalites are grazers who lived in herds, and for a long time, were pretty low on their planet's food chain. Like Aldea's mother said in the Hork-Bajir Chronicle about Andalites:quote:<We no longer have predators to attack us,> she’d said, <but evolution does not just throw away adaptations that were necessary once. The animals we evolved from were prey for millions of years. They lived in vast herds, always watched by hungry predators. This was before we developed our tail blades and we had no protection but speed. We still feel the need to watch for predators. It may be a million years before we lose that instinct.> I think subconsciously, Andalites have this instinct to protect the herd, and I think that, while that leads to good things like camaraderie (Ax is extremely loyal to his friends, and will pretty much do anything for them, especially Jake, who he recognizes as leader) it can also promote a certain kind of xenophobia and intolerance for difference. So, that means the different, the sick and the weak can't be allowed to endanger the herd. I don't think it's so much that the society is obsessed with tail fighting....Ax is, but he's a warrior cadet. It's obsessed with being safe, and promoting the good of the community over the rights of the individual. I will say, too, that this isn't just an Andalite thing. If you look at most of human history, strangers were shunned and considered dangerous, those people with physical and mental disabilities were ostracized and sometimes even killed....weak babies would be abandoned at birth, etc. I'll also say about Andalite society is that this is a place that's been in what they consider to be an existential war for the past twenty years (which started because Seerow trusted aliens and acted on his own initiative). That has to have an effect, and we don't know that the Andalites now have the same culture that they did 30 years ago. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 11, 2022 |
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Chapter 21quote:<I am Kong!> Conservation of momentum can be a bastard.. Chapter 22 quote:Forty feet through the air! So against all odds, our heroes succeeded in their prison break. And now we get to meet Mertil.
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# ? Apr 12, 2022 04:23 |
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One little thing I really enjoy about this book is how, after Elfangor, Alloran, the crew on Leera and Arbat's crew, the kids are all like "we know how big Andalite adults are." And then Gafinilan shows up from the far end of the bell curve and Marco just can't get over the size of this guy.
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# ? Apr 12, 2022 12:23 |
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a quick reminder that Katherine Applegate is very cool https://twitter.com/kaaauthor/status/1513905624144400391?s=21
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HIJK posted:(1/16) She posts the letter in chunks as tweets
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It's actually a normal length tweet, the font is just huge
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# ? Apr 12, 2022 19:53 |
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The Animorphs books have a certain style. Looks like it's very much Applegate's. A particular rhythm. Because even when she's writing a letter, she keeps that same cadence. A long phrase. Then short.
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 01:20 |
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Chapter 23quote:We had found Mertil. Probably saved his life. His dear friend Gafinilan had gone to terrible lengths to set him free. On July 25th, 1990, President Bush signed the Americans with Disabilities Act into law. The law prohibited discrimination against people with disabilities in employment, public facilities and public accommodations, and required employers to provide "reasonable accommodations", which are changes to procedures that allows someone either permanently or temporarily disabled, to do their job, so long as it doesn't create undue hardship for the employer. While the law isn't perfect, and there still is discrimination against people with disabilities, it's a step, and a big one, and helped people live richer, more satisfying lives. Chapter 24 quote:You know that old party game, “Who Am I This Time?” Or that nursery rhyme about a doctor, lawyer, baker. Whatever. People tend to get identified by what kind of hat they wear during the day. By what is visible, noticeable, obvious about them. And with that, we end the book. What did you all think? Next up is Megamorphs Book 4, Back to Before, writen by Applegate herself (and, of course, Michael Grant, who often times doesn't get enough credit for cowriting these books with her)
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 04:18 |
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It felt preachy to me. Like the author wanted to teach us a lesson first and the story followed from that. I did like Mertil and the one who started with "G" though. Wish we saw more of them and got an ending other than "and they lived happily ever after".
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 04:33 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:It felt preachy to me. Like the author wanted to teach us a lesson first and the story followed from that. I did like Mertil and the one who started with "G" though. Wish we saw more of them and got an ending other than "and they lived happily ever after". kinda agree
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 04:51 |
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It's decent. A nice little adventure of the week with an interesting mystery, but it is a bit awkward to have it right next to the previous "Andalites are here and it's mysterious" book, though.
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Capfalcon posted:It's decent. A nice little adventure of the week with an interesting mystery, but it is a bit awkward to have it right next to the previous "Andalites are here and it's mysterious" book, though. Honestly I think that's the biggest issue. Two books with the general concept of "more Andalites on Earth!" is the max you could do without it starting to feel gimmicky, but having them be like five books apart is really weird. The next one is... interesting, from my memory. It's less a big action setpiece than the other Megamorphs; you could probably do it in a regular book if getting chapters from all the characters' POVs wasn't essential.
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 05:08 |
I'm.... calling BS. There is no way Visser Three would leave anyone to live in peace, let alone two Andalites.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm.... calling BS. There is no way Visser Three would leave anyone to live in peace, let alone two Andalites. Especially one he'd captured already. The book doesn't mention how he managed that in the first place, does it?
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 07:58 |
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I like it, it's good for what it is. It's somewhat heavy handed but otoh some anvils need to be dropped and the target audience is still kids who say nasty poo poo in the classroom and on the playground. I can imagine grown adults who would read this and not understand the point despite all that. I don't mind the two Andalite books being close together, it's not so bad. I like this book because it gives us insight into a part of alien culture which rarely gets depicted. The only other scifi property I know of that tackles stuff like this is Star Trek. There's an episode of Next Gen where Geordi is stranded on a planet with a Romulan and when the Romulan finds out Geordi is blind he lets out a stunned "Your parents let you live!?" And that's when you find out Romulans regularly euthanize disabled babies. It's a valuable insight into Romulans and their militaristic Spartan-inspired culture. It's a heavy handed episode but on the other hand there's a certain grace there too in the way it contrasts two cultures. I wouldn't be surprised if this book was inspired by that episode. On the whole, I liked it. It even contrasts disabilities -- Mertil is chronically disabled and is visibly injured by the loss of his tail; but ultimately he will live. Gafinalan is not someone you would expect to be disabled with his physical stature and prowess, but he has an invisible disability in the form of a chronic illness that is slowly killing him, including physical side effects like progressive blindness.(The label reading detail was a nice touch for that.) And I think in addition to the gay subtext there is another layer: being disabled is just incredibly isolating so when you meet someone else like you, you can become very attached very quickly since they understand what you're going through. I don't think this is the best book but it's decent for what it is and I think it depicts the characters with respect and underlines a good message. If there's any criticism I want to make its that the fight scene was handled with the same hand wavy-ness of the ending. Why introduce the idea of "endless enemies" if you're just going to whiff on them at the end? That could have been handled better. HIJK fucked around with this message at 09:06 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Yeah, and like, even if Visser Three inherited Alloran's prejudices about Mertil, it's still strategically advantageous on at least three levels to infest him. He's got more up-to-date insider intel than Alloran, he's still an ace fighter pilot, and it's a slap in the face that the Yeerks have now infested two Andalites. It doesn't even take away your leverage with Gaf, because nobody ever has to know he was infested at all. ...I really hope Mertil wasn't secretly infested.
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Remalle posted:Yeah, and like, even if Visser Three inherited Alloran's prejudices about Mertil, it's still strategically advantageous on at least three levels to infest him. He's got more up-to-date insider intel than Alloran, he's still an ace fighter pilot, and it's a slap in the face that the Yeerks have now infested two Andalites. It doesn't even take away your leverage with Gaf, because nobody ever has to know he was infested at all.
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# ? Apr 13, 2022 09:52 |
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Animorphs-Megamorphs 4, Back to Before Chapter 1, Jake quote:“Help me.” It's interesting. Jake has killed Yeerks before, but with the exception of Tom's first Yeerk, I don't think he's ever talked to one while it was dying, and he's never talked to one he''s actually fought in battle. That's got to have an effect Chapter 2-Jake quote:My name is Jake. Hey, it's everybody's good friend, the Drode!
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# ? Apr 14, 2022 04:35 |
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gently caress yeah it's AU time! Love this book, it's the last one I remember with any clarity.
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# ? Apr 14, 2022 09:14 |
Hell. Yes.
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I quite like this one. A good Treehouse of Horror episode. Nothing like the bittersweet feeling of suddenly not being important in the middle of a story that still is.quote:A man, maybe twenty years old. I doubt this was intentional, but for me it really underlines how young these poor kids are that they consider a 20-year-old a "man."
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Chapter 3-Cassie Day One quote:We hooked up at the mall. I was there with Rachel. So, Crayak granted Jake's request, and, while in the first book, we saw the time at the mall and the walk home from Jake's perspective, now we're seeing it from Cassie's, along with the hint that even as far back as then, she had a crush on Jake. Also, of all of them, Cassie is the most emotionally intelligent, and she sizes up everyone's fundamental personalities there. Chapter 4-Tobias Day Seven quote:I woke up. This is the most direct depiction we get of Tobias's pre-hawk life, which is just basically this unending cycle of emotional and physical abuse, and this, more than anything else, explains why Tobias was ultimately ok with (and maybe voluntarily chose) being a hawk nothlit. It also, along with him being Elfangor's son, explains why he felt so close to Elfangor and why of all of them, he was happiest and most eager to be an Animorph. But in this timeline goes the other way.. He doesn't have that in this world....he doesn't have anything bigger than himself to believe in, to hope for, to fight for. All he's got is pain and unhappiness and the prospect of more pain and unhappiness. And that makes him a prime candidate for Sharing recruitment.
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Megamorphs posted:I asked her once, “Do you think he’s okay with me being African-American and all?” love too write black characters
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Epicurius posted:And that makes him a prime candidate for Sharing recruitment. I remember thinking how perfectly this fit, even though it had never occurred to me beforehand. Sort of like in Lost when (spoilers for Lost if you care 12 years later I guess) Jack and Locke have a gigantic schism on the island because Locke's paraplegia was miraculously healed but he never tells anyone about it, and then when they go into the alternate dimension in season 6 where the plane crash never happened they chat at the airport and Jack gives him his business card, because of course: he is and always has been a spinal surgeon. Interesting also that Tobias thinks Marco doesn't like him. I'm not sure that, aside from a brothers-in-arms camaraderie, they particularly like each other either in the main timeline either.
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freebooter posted:Interesting also that Tobias thinks Marco doesn't like him. I'm not sure that, aside from a brothers-in-arms camaraderie, they particularly like each other either in the main timeline either. I don't think they're best friends, no. I think part of that is because Marco is pretty sarcastic and teasing, and Tobias is, given his background, really sensitive to insults. I think also, honestly, Marco has a little bit of a crush on Jake, or at least a really, really, close friendship, and he, especially at first, kind of resented Tobias "butting in" on their time together.
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# ? Apr 15, 2022 04:42 |
Tobias made some friends that want him in their club!
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Chapter 5-Cassiequote:I jerked awake. Spoiler. I don't think Cassie is losing her mind. I also continue to like Cassie's easy relationship with her parents. Chapter 6 - Aximili Day Ten quote:I raced at full speed, all out, hooves flying, tail tucked down, upper body bowed, stalk eyes straight back to watch the ground that receded from me. Ax, of course, with no one to rescue him, is still in the Dome Ship. Chapter 7 - Tobias Day Twenty-One quote:Line up on the cue ball, then draw the line back through your cue, and forward through the ball you’re trying to hit, then on to the pocket, right?” Shockingly, "Bill" knows about multi-dimensional space. It's actually interesting, because, from what he said, and I don't think the Yeerk is lying about this, Bill had almost the opposite problem as Tobias does. Tobias's problem is that he doesn't have anyone who wants him, while Bill's was that he was tugged back and forth in a custody hearing. Here we also see Tobias's envy of Jake....Jake is cool, Jake is self confident, Jake is here with a member of his family who actually wants to spend time with him. He's got everything Tobias wants but can't have. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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I know we've been there before but the bubble of the Dome ship's landscape sitting there at the bottom of the ocean - with poor Ax trapped all alone inside it - is such a memorable, striking visual image.
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# ? Apr 16, 2022 08:04 |
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Ah yes, pool. That famously three dimensional game.
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# ? Apr 16, 2022 09:47 |
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Please note, I goofed, in that I left out Chapter 5, so instead of new chapters today, I've appended Chapter 5 at the beginning of the last group of chapters. Happy Easter and Passover to those who celebrate, and Happy Ramadan and easy fast for those who are fasting for Ramadan
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Chapter 8-Marco Day 24 quote:“You know, you should go out with me,” I said. So much for Marco's attempt to be cool in front of Rachel. But what's his mom doing here in this timeline? If you remember, in the "real" timeline, she first shows up after the Animorphs are captured by Visser Three, to set them free to embarrass the Visser. Then, she shows up after that as part of the shark project, to control sharks so she can use them as shock weapons on Leera. Chapter 9-Aximili quote:It took a great deal of patience. Days of patience. There's a very little touch in this book that I appreciate. In the other Megamorph books where chapters switch character perspectives, Ax's chapters are always headed with Ax. In this book, because the Animorphs never were around to free him and give him that nickname, all his chapters are Aximili.
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