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Stare-Out posted:MGS4 pushed it a bit but it's all story that you wouldn't really get through gameplay so whatever. "a bit"  
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I could have sworn there were scenes in Yakuza games that were longer.
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Zil posted:I could have sworn there were scenes in Yakuza games that were longer. According to a cracked article I just googled, it looks like the longest unbroken Yakuza cutscene is 23 minutes, so very close to MGS4's record but doesn't beat it
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Apr 13, 2022 17:26
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:"a bit" It is taking into account three previous games though so it doesn't exist in a vacuum. But even for a Metal Gear fan like me it does push it.. a bit.
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Apr 13, 2022 17:40
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:"a bit" I would bet FF14 beats that record. Also, my understanding is that the ladder in MGS3 is only as long as the song goes, so you can climb it to the point that the bottom disappears, then stop and wait for the song to end, and boom you're at the top.
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Apr 13, 2022 17:44
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Marcade posted:Also, my understanding is that the ladder in MGS3 is only as long as the song goes, so you can climb it to the point that the bottom disappears, then stop and wait for the song to end, and boom you're at the top. And here I was hoping that if you stopped, the song would stop, and if you started climbing down again, the song would play in reverse. Regarding patience with cutscenes: some fraction of the population is interested in games solely for the interactive, press-buttons-get-gameplay elements. Cutscenes, or indeed reading of any sort, are anathema. This makes designing game tutorials especially challenging 
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Apr 13, 2022 17:56
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The thing about that cutscene is that it isn't unbroken. You get a prompt to save halfway through, so you don't have to watch all of it again if something happens.
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Apr 13, 2022 17:57
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Philippe posted:The thing about that cutscene is that it isn't unbroken. You get a prompt to save halfway through, so you don't have to watch all of it again if something happens. I think the criteria is if gameplay happens or not, save prompts are apparently fine
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Apr 13, 2022 17:58
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I could have sworn Xenosaga had some absolutely massive cutscenes. Like over an hour.
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Apr 13, 2022 18:04
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Marcade posted:I would bet FF14 beats that record. FF14 is the first game I've played that had cutscenes long enough that the game warned me I was about to be in for a lot of drivel.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Regarding patience with cutscenes: some fraction of the population is interested in games solely for the interactive, press-buttons-get-gameplay elements. Cutscenes, or indeed reading of any sort, are anathema. This makes designing game tutorials especially challenging it'd just be nice if conversations about videogames treated this position less as the default and more of a kind of terrible way to engage with media PurpleXVI posted:FF14 is the first game I've played that had cutscenes long enough that the game warned me I was about to be in for a lot of drivel. i'm playing through the msq for the first time and i've never been disappointed or disliked what i got presented with after a 'several cutscenes' prompt, let alone would call it drivel
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Apr 13, 2022 18:05
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flatluigi posted:it'd just be nice if conversations about videogames treated this position less as the default and more of a kind of terrible way to engage with media You don't get to be the arbiter of what is and is not the correct way to engage with a piece of media. To be clear, neither do the people who hate cutscenes. Everyone has different tastes, and the great thing about games is that they can be adaptable and cater to multiple different tastes. Skipping cutscenes, changing difficulty, outright cheating (in a singleplayer game) is all legitimate. I mean, sure, at some point you need to understand what kind of game you're playing and be willing to engage with it on that level. Don't give Disco Elysium a bad review because it has too much text, for example, because that is a game that is fundamentally about reading. And skipping cutscenes in a game like The Cherry Orchard would be similarly missing the point. But if a game gives you the option to skip cutscenes, you really shouldn't be surprised when a substantial fraction of the playerbase uses that option.
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flatluigi posted:i'm playing through the msq for the first time and i've never been disappointed or disliked what i got presented with after a 'several cutscenes' prompt, let alone would call it drivel Prior to Heavensward the MSQ is really just dull as toast, except when it throws you gross curveballs like putting down slave revolts(yeah we're totally the good guys) or focuses on killing indigenous populations which clearly have a reason to be pissed(and there being groups of them that you can work with peacefully later in the game clearly shows that murdering hundreds of them in the early game is kind of weird and uncool). Then in Heavensward the quality goes up substantially for like 4/5ths of everything, except for some very blatant filler you're now dealing with more interesting characters, you don't have to put up with Minfilia constantly, there's no going to the Waking Sands every five minutes, people actually give you missions that matter rather than fetching their socks or making them sandwiches... and then after Heavensward I'll admit I'm at a loss, because there was just a precipitous drop in quality afterwards that made me drop the game like a brick because it felt like returning to ARR levels of quality.
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yeah no that's not how i felt about ffxiv at all. have you played it recently? i'm told there was an early game revamp right before i started playing and i have no complaints about anything in the later expansionsTooMuchAbstraction posted:You don't get to be the arbiter of what is and is not the correct way to engage with a piece of media. To be clear, neither do the people who hate cutscenes. Everyone has different tastes, and the great thing about games is that they can be adaptable and cater to multiple different tastes. Skipping cutscenes, changing difficulty, outright cheating (in a singleplayer game) is all legitimate. having an option to skip cutscenes doesn't mean that 'skipping cutscenes' is the intended way to experience the game for the first time + the rest of your post is aggressively agreeing with me
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flatluigi posted:the rest of your post is aggressively agreeing with me I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear then. But hey, live in whatever reality you like. I have to live in the one where people who aren't allowed to skip cutscenes will get angry at me and leave bad reviews on my game, and it's a lot easier on my psyche if I accept that their feelings are valid, vs. if I get mad at them for not playing the game right.
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flatluigi posted:cutscenes are fine when they're interesting or compelling and gamers being against them always makes me wonder if they ever sit and watch a movie I bought a game to play it, not watch it. The worst cutscenes are the ones right after the save point before the boss fight so you keep having to sit through them when you fail (I'm an old, I fail a lot). Humbug Scoolbus has a new favorite as of 18:51 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear then. But hey, live in whatever reality you like. I have to live in the one where people who aren't allowed to skip cutscenes will get angry at me and leave bad reviews on my game, and it's a lot easier on my psyche if I accept that their feelings are valid, vs. if I get mad at them for not playing the game right. based entirely off this post i'm assuming you made YIIK
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could you imagine sitting down and watching a piece of visual media for up to 27 minutes?? geez louise!
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear then. But hey, live in whatever reality you like. I have to live in the one where people who aren't allowed to skip cutscenes will get angry at me and leave bad reviews on my game, and it's a lot easier on my psyche if I accept that their feelings are valid, vs. if I get mad at them for not playing the game right. the middle of your post that I quoted is about how skipping pieces of the game that are intended parts of it can negatively effect your experience, like skimming/skipping through text in disco elysium. it's exactly what i was saying regarding it being a bad way to engage with media plus, like, yeah a lot of people are really insistent on being able to engage with media badly. go tell a fan of the channel that watching cinemasins on youtube shouldn't be treated as a replacement for watching a film or even a good way to get a summary and see how angry they get. they're definitely making a choice, they really want to make that choice, and they really want that choice to still be available to them in the future; that still doesn't make that choice a good one no matter how many bad reviews they've left on a game (??) you're still losing out on a chunk of the game if you skip all the cutscenes by default. a game is a combination of both its mechanics and its narrative, and how those interact. though the ideal is always to have the two combined, sometimes moments are better served through being primarily one or the other -- sometimes forcing the player to take an action makes it have more impact than it being shown in a cutscene, and sometimes a cutscene can better frame action/story beats/exposition than having it happen while the player is focused on game actions elsewhere. it's all part of the same experience + treating some of it as always inherently ancillary and throwaway is, again, a terrible way to engage with media
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somepartsareme posted:could you imagine sitting down and watching a piece of visual media for up to 27 minutes?? geez louise! Not when I was expecting to sit down and interact with a piece of interactive media! I'm surprised Kojima hasn't made a prestige TV series yet, it's clearly something he really wants to do
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Honestly I'd rather play a bit of a Kojima game than watch all of a Kojima show or movie.
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:based entirely off this post i'm assuming you made YIIK Thank you for giving me an opportunity to link my game! Anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in arguments about the right way to consume media. Here's a flying ship. https://i.imgur.com/j5cLw40.mp4
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Thank you for giving me an opportunity to link my game! well you're obviously doing it right, that looks awesome
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Dewgy posted:I could have sworn Xenosaga had some absolutely massive cutscenes. Like over an hour.  The game is like 3/4 cutscenes.
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I’m not sure why the MGS4 record is 27 minutes, I remember the noninteractive part of the endgame sequence was at least 60. But that may be technically several cutscenes in a row, separated by moments where you have to take a step forward and press activate or something
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haveblue posted:I’m not sure why the MGS4 record is 27 minutes, I remember the noninteractive part of the endgame sequence was at least 60. But that may be technically several cutscenes in a row, separated by moments where you have to take a step forward and press activate or something It is a few separate cutscenes, in the same vein the 30+ minutes ending of MGS2 is technically interactive since half of it is codec calls.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:"a bit" I remember that final cutscene being feature length. Am I misremembering or was there some "Press X" prompt in there that disqualifies the whole thing from being included in the record?
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Doc Hawkins posted:you may have heard people talk about these metal gear solid games. three is very arguably the best one. I played through MGS3 HD recently -- actually, I played through all the old MGS games and while 3 has been my "all time favorite game" for so many years, I think now it's the one that holds up the worst. At least when MGS2 is being overly weird, it fits within the context of the game. MGS3 has so many weird parts that are only weird because the voice acting, the dialogue, and the characters' animations are so extremely inconsistent. My ex, who was watching me play it, sure didn't get why I was so excited about the ladder, so obviously we're not together now.
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My favorite MGS4 hour long cutscene is Snake smoking a cigarette incredibly satisfyingly and staring me down while the game installed.
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Apparently Death Stranding and Star Ocean have all of those beat: https://gamerant.com/video-games-longest-cutscenes-history/ Mercury_Storm has a new favorite as of 20:10 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Thank you for giving me an opportunity to link my game! All I can envision when I see that, is a ship with a super-reinforced, axe-head-shaped bow that launches up like that and just cleaves other ships right in half, and I'm loving that thought. It reminds me of a r/hfy story that I sadly can't seem to find, where the humans took a ship like that and outfitted it with a short range wormhole drive. The ship was moved into a system for a battle, where it began speeding up to near-light-speeds, but going in the opposite direction from battle. Once it maxed out its speed, the ship warp-jumped to right beside the biggest ship in the enemy fleet and just, punched right through it with all that built up momentum. In an instant it jumped to the next ship, then the next, then the next, repeat till the whole enemy fleet was scrap.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:ha! I think Palidoor has several glitches, and I just ran into another one last night. https://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-Tactics/Update%20115/ There's a silly glitch in FFT just like that where you have someone equipped with a gun attempt to jump on a unit with blade grasp and if it triggers the jumper just hangs out in the air
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The key difference between a movie and a cutscene is that movies give you control over playback. With a movie you can rewind parts you missed, fastforward parts that are really drat boring, pause and feed your dog, whatever. Cutscenes give you no control over their playback save for a skip (hopefully you can replay it). This makes cutscenes infinitely more infuriating when they last more than 10-20 minutes. Also they often happen right after a boss fight or completing a stage and you just want to save and quit because the sun's coming up and you have work in 3 hours.
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I was playing Elden Ring earlier, and I ran into one of those sword lion things. It jumped into the air, got stuck against a wall with me underneath, and goomba-humped my head until I dropped dead of shame.
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Dewgy posted:I could have sworn Xenosaga had some absolutely massive cutscenes. Like over an hour. I was going to mention Xenosaga because I definitely remember one point in episode 1 where you got a save prompt at the start of a cutscene, and another one at the end of that same cutscene, with no gameplay in the middle. Kyte posted:The key difference between a movie and a cutscene is that movies give you control over playback. With a movie you can rewind parts you missed, fastforward parts that are really drat boring, pause and feed your dog, whatever. Cutscenes give you no control over their playback save for a skip (hopefully you can replay it). This makes cutscenes infinitely more infuriating when they last more than 10-20 minutes. Video games are getting better about this now, where at least it's fairly standard that you can pause mid cutscene without skipping. The Cheshire Cat has a new favorite as of 03:03 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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QTE's were the worst addition to gaming since you now have to be on your toes during cutscenes instead of enjoying it or zoning out.
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the rocketjumping is pretty cool but this is still my favorite shipgame bug:TooMuchAbstraction posted:I'm working on adding dazzle camouflage to my ship game. To get the right look, everything on the ship needs to be camouflaged, except I got a little overzealous with "everything".
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Dabir posted:I was playing Elden Ring earlier, and I ran into one of those sword lion things. It jumped into the air, got stuck against a wall with me underneath, and goomba-humped my head until I dropped dead of shame. Those guys are kind of wonky. I had one manage to get its head stuck between a wall and a staircase, and it just kinda sat there mournfully twerking its rear end at the sky until I stopped laughing long enough to stab it to death. When an Elden Ring monster disagrees with the terrain, it really disagrees with the terrain.
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