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Mr. Apollo posted:I've found that this kind of person tends to be one of the most susceptible to QAnon, RT, Sputnik, etc. type stuff. They're very desperate to show how smart they are because they only read "non-mainstream media" so they're aware of "the truth" and everyone else is a mindless sheep for getting their news from RTE, BBC, PBS, CNN, NYT, WaPo, etc.
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Pookah posted:He's genuinely not predisposed to far right opinions, that why this is so goddamn weird. There’s not even a necessity to devolve into some detailed characterisation of who Azov is or is not, especially at the time when half of them might be dead or replaced by volunteers, and undoubtedly with political moods shifted drastically during the month. It’s not an accurate thing to do, and will not strengthen your argument in most cases besides a case of some grand naivety on the scale of someone thinking that Azov is literally the army that Ukraine has. Let’s just take the literal worst case scenario - full sized battalion purely consisting of bona fide extremist Ukrainian nationalists espousing neo-Nazi beliefs. What is their motive to slaughter a bunch of Ukrainians they stand in an arguably doomed defence of in a properly encircled and besieged city? What do they stand to gain out of it in a time when the best of Ukrainian forces are tied down elsewhere, and western assistance is already comically eclipsing any expectations of the time? Is the blood sacrifice going to call down a trident-wielding spirit of Stepan Bandera to strike the Russian soldiers down?
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Pookah posted:I've had an extremely loving spicy eye on King Leftist's attitudes for many years at this point, and while I am surprised at his falling for pro-russian talking points, I am not at all surprised at his falling for obvious proto-leftist, actually right-wing bullshit. As someone who made it through Trump.... 
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Pookah posted:I've had an extremely loving spicy eye on King Leftist's attitudes for many years at this point, and while I am surprised at his falling for pro-russian talking points, I am not at all surprised at his falling for obvious proto-leftist, actually right-wing bullshit. This is why the only political philosopher I believe in is Jreg.
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Pookah posted:No! What's his SA username, I guess he avoids D&D though. Did he recently get a 100,000 hour probe perhaps Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Nessus posted:Are you saying I shouldn't form my entire view of human political relationships on Rubberbandits videos? You are better off if you base it on the Hydraulic Press Videos.
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Der Kyhe posted:You are better off if you base it on the Hydraulic Press Videos. What the fuuuuuck
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Good job Mr. Putin. Great job. Part of The Plan. https://twitter.com/markomihkelson/status/1514191214622433288
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Another (somewhat more credible) source on the flagship that got Neptune'd https://twitter.com/SputnikATO/status/1514326771503669268?s=20&t=4NjhspJfYSbyje6ht3qV1g " " The military governor of the Odessa region Maxim Marchenko confirms the attack on the cruiser "Moskva""
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Youth Decay posted:Another (somewhat more credible) source on the flagship that got Neptune'd Putin locks himself in the bunker within his bunker as he gets the news that Ukraine has hit Moskva with missiles. Or that Neptune is attacking Moskva, either will do.
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Piece on the cruiser and the missiles from Jan: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/
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Pookah posted:I have no clue where he's getting this poo poo from, it's totally baffling. There's an extensive network of  leftist progressive anti imperialist streamers and pseudo journalists that all spew the exact same bullshit. It's an echo chamber of people mostly with traditional leftist beliefs that have been more or less radicalized by uncritically consuming propaganda. The key culprit that is likely straight up funded by Russia is the Grayzone, which refuses to disclose how they are funded and has a shady history of changing their views after visits to Russia. It's a lovely "anti imperialist" pseudo journalism website that actually has a considerable amount of influence. They generate little revenue but pay a decent amount of staff and send them to Russian/Syrian sponsored conferences. The major names distributing this garbage are Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate who are seen as legitimate journalists in a growing community of viewers that view themselves as leftists. Aaron Mate has spent the last 5 or so years trying to downplay Russian intervention in the United States and has naturally transitioned into a Putin apologist and general Russian cheerleader during this war. He has made appearances at the UN at the request of Russia and has connections to the Russian state and RT. These guys are not journalists that try to seek a balanced understanding of a conflict, they straight up shill for Putin in a way that is attractive to western audiences that are skeptical of western institutions. This echo chamber starts with the Grayzone but spreads to places like the Jimmy Dore show which has a very large audience that uncritically eats up this garbage. There's a whole bunch of comedians/pseudo journalists that are connected with RT that also contribute to this echo chamber. They make appearances on lots of media outlets like Rolling Stone, Fox News, among others. It gets even worse because these views are reinforced by numerous streamers that spend three hours everynight spewing this garbage in front of audiences of thousands of mostly 20/30 something western people. It's like a new form of Rush Limbaugh style radio, except it's done by streaming online in an echo chamber of poorly informed and knee jerk reactionary people that need something to rage against, and this particular echo chamber is targeted towards "leftists, marxist leninists, progressives, anti imperialists, etc." despite looking very similar to the far right and exclusively displaying anti imperialist disgust towards the West and not applying the same principles towards China or Russia. There's something like 20 or 30 somewhat prominent streamers that support these talking points that are validated by people like Blumenthal and Mate. The overall influence of this Grayzone echo chamber probably extends to millions of people, even if few people actually read their website. This is an awful example of the online streamers I'm talking about : (spoilered and NMSed for those that don't want to see or promote this trash)  The Dive with Jackson Hinkle (this guy is brutal) https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDivewithJacksonHinkle I'm pretty certain that somewhere in this web of bullshit is where these ideas were picked up. jmnmu fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Pookah posted:He's genuinely not predisposed to far right opinions, that why this is so goddamn weird. Jill Stein was the loony lefty conspiracy theorist/contrarian nihilist candidate who was being signal-boosted by Russian disinformation in 2016. So your BIL at least already had brainworms at that point. And it's not unheard of for spouses to influence each other's political opinions. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166 https://www.sltrib.com/news/politic...-was-there-too/
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Now unconfirmed moskova was hit by two neptunes You cannot defeat their spirit https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1514119566854705152 https://twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1514263285666922503 https://twitter.com/IndrekIbrus/status/1514251160852574212 https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1514336512598495240 https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1514325245871673344 https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1514324402804039684  https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1514305684309004295 e: https://twitter.com/j_tuk_tuk_tuk/status/1513776564076433409 Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Saint Celestine posted:Whats an "Unmanned coastal defense vessel" given as part of the aid package? USS Enterprise? no idea
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Saint Celestine posted:Whats an "Unmanned coastal defense vessel" given as part of the aid package? https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/04/07/us-navys-unmanned-vessel-plans-need-improvement-watchdog-agency-says/ Edit: To be clear I'm not saying that those have been delivered or offered to Ukraine, just giving examples of what the US has been working on.
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Saint Celestine posted:Whats an "Unmanned coastal defense vessel" given as part of the aid package? Does US have something like Rafael Protector?
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Atreiden posted:So there is this dumb new anti-Semitic conspiracy going around, that Zelenskyy is a cousin of Soros. He isn't, not that that should matter either way. but this popped up and I can't stop laughing at the yellow banner at the bottom. Given the levels of endogamy among Ashkenazi Jews, he probably is, genetically. Not that it makes a lick of difference; thanks to endogamy I'm about 4th-6th cousins with literally every French-Canadian.
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Shooting Blanks posted:https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/04/07/us-navys-unmanned-vessel-plans-need-improvement-watchdog-agency-says/ Yeah the UK has a drone ship for mine sweeping. USV's are really new and not widely utilised by the military in general though so curious about what Ukraine is getting. Probably some arms manufacturer seeing an opportunity to test their new poo poo in the field. e: here's the UK's one. Don't think it's actually in service properly yet: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2020/august/21/20200821-future-mine-hunting-system-comes-to-clyde
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ecureuilmatrix posted:So Oryx now has a minimum of 500 Russian tanks lost. What's the best estimate we have on how many are present and/or available for the war? According to Kaufman, who I consider an (if not the) expert in the field, Russia as an abundance of kits (= equipment) but lacks manpower. For example they have 2000 active T-72 but a reserve of 7000. Their total tank reserve (T-72, T-80, T-90) is about 10.000, so it's more about the crews lost.
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https://twitter.com/Cen4infoRes/status/1514141647067652100 https://twitter.com/most_ks_ua/status/1514349142738415626 Translation: Meat in Chornobayivka again. Strong explosions are heard Deteriorata fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Apr 13, 2022 |
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Moskva apparently sending cipher and Morse code, sinking? Requires confirmation Paladinus posted:People just keep sharing this very obvious shopped meme as a real photo, lmao.  Kherson airport hit again 
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These new weapons delivery proposals seem fine. But at this point Ukraine needs whatever the NATO equivalent of Iskanders is, to be able to hit staging areas beyond Kherson in Crimea, and beyond Donbas behind Russian lines. Otherwise they're just waiting for Russia to advance and more Ukrainian lives are lost, even though they might be able to hold them off.
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There are already explanations from Russian propagandists on VK that Moskva definitely wasn't sunk by Ukrainian weapons, as Ukraine couldn't develop anything that can sink a cruiser like that, and even if it sinks, probably because something happened during the storm, nothing to do with Ukrainians, just normal stuff.
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Paladinus posted:There are already explanations from Russian propagandists on VK that Moskva definitely wasn't sunk by Ukrainian weapons, as Ukraine couldn't develop anything that can sink a cruiser like that, and even if it sinks, probably because something happened during the storm, nothing to do with Ukrainians, just normal stuff. That makes me think it actually did get hit...
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OddObserver posted:That makes me think it actually did get hit... Naw, it's just pining for the fjords!
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ecureuilmatrix posted:So Oryx now has a minimum of 500 Russian tanks lost. What's the best estimate we have on how many are present and/or available for the war? It’s normally 10 tanks per BTG iirc so there would have been roughly 1200 in the initial invasion force. They’ve obviously cobbled together a bunch more since then though. The bigger issue is likely training new crews, Ukraine is apparently having similar problems.
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Ammo packs tend to spontaneously explode when in proximity to fast traveling anti-ship missiles, FYI. "Russian warship... go gently caress yourself!"
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Deteriorata posted:And Whitefish Bay is only 15 more miles. As a Michigander I fully appreciate this reference  They will never admit Ukraine sunk a flagship of the Black Sea fleet will they? Also looks like those Neptunes performed well in their test launches!
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Oracle posted:Given the levels of endogamy among Ashkenazi Jews, he probably is, genetically. Not that it makes a lick of difference; thanks to endogamy I'm about 4th-6th cousins with literally every French-Canadian. I found out that I’m a 2nd cousin of my (very conservative & pro-trump) brother in law by way of the ILGWU leader David Dubinsky.
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They sunk it  RIA confirming fire and ammunition detonation Can we have someone do another explainer as to Soviet ship design, how their ships are loaded with missiles. Probably not the easiest to do damage control if the entire boat is ordinance. https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1514379605431533569 https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1514380394220732421 Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Rockker posted:These new weapons delivery proposals seem fine. But at this point Ukraine needs whatever the NATO equivalent of Iskanders is, to be able to hit staging areas beyond Kherson in Crimea, and beyond Donbas behind Russian lines. Otherwise they're just waiting for Russia to advance and more Ukrainian lives are lost, even though they might be able to hold them off. NATO doesn't really have any of that. The US last used missiles of that style in like the 1960s. The they had a more reason program and that was terminated so they can't restock. I think most NATO countries assumed they will use the The Ukrainian conflict really exposes the problem with a non-US country depending on the US for arms. Most countries can't afford to fight a war the way the US does and need things like SRBM or good artillery to fight a field battle.
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Deteriorata posted:And Whitefish Bay is only 15 more miles. I got that reference. Well played.
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Kraftwerk posted:NATO doesn't really have any of that. The US last used missiles of that style in like the 1960s. The they had a more reason program and that was terminated so they can't restock. I think there’s a land based Tomahawk launch system but giving Ukraine those is probably also going to start WW3
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