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A.o.D. posted:Good luck buying a commemorative stamp. The Ukrposhta.ua site is slammed. The best thing about those stamps? The soldier/marine depicted is probably still alive, but the ship definitely is not.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Good God I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Kremlin right now
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KitConstantine posted:That footage was found to be fake - apparently its a flipped and filtered version of a different ship fire Yeah I was just about to edit it out and post Woofers tweet.
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Dunno if it was the damage from the missile that did it in, or the absolutely lovely weather on the Black Sea causing the sinking after the strike, but yeah, that's gonna sting for the Black Sea Fleet.
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Well somewhere in the great beyond Zinovy Rozhestvensky (the Russian Pacific fleet commander of the Russia) doesn’t feel quite as dumb anymore.
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Having had a think about it.... It seems to me like the only option for Putin now is escalation, enormously so (possibly nuclear?). This is a serious, serious black eye. He backs down, and he's toast. I really hope I'm wrong, but my gut says a lot more people, mostly civvies, are gonna die now.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Well somewhere in the great beyond Zinovy Rozhestvensky (the Russian Pacific fleet commander of the Russia) doesn’t feel quite as dumb anymore. 'Special' military operation
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:
Clancychat aside, Russia has limited resources to escalate *with*. He doesn't have a second reserve army or navy to just whip out.
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Medvedchuk getting himself captured yesterday (doubly so if it was indeed while trying to flee the country, at last) is another big blow as well
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Clancychat aside, Russia has limited resources to escalate *with*. He doesn't have a second reserve army or navy to just whip out. That's what worries me. He might not have an army or navy, but he does have *other* things.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Having had a think about it.... Considering that the only people who will know definitively what happened to the ship would be the crew, it will not be hard for them to control information and make it be "oops someone was smoking a cigarette in a magazine". They can avoid escalation easily just by making the narrative one of crew incompetence vs agressive action on the part of Ukraine. There's good reason for this too, what would Russia stand to gain by escalating further, vs what they stand to potentially lose? Also, what magical army or navy are they going to escalate with that they don't have already? They're not going to uncork sunshine over a sunken cruiser, when it's easier to blame crew incompetence.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Good God I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Kremlin right now If you've read Fiona Hill's summation of Putin, she warned Bush and Obama about how he was thin-skinned and liked to shoot the messenger. Must be a fun night among junior defense aides bringing updates
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Apr 14, 2022 02:57
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Having had a think about it.... It's funny and embarrassing, but it doesn't really change much. The Russian Navy doesn't have a lot of need for anti-shipping capability against Ukraine.
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Kesper North posted:https://twitter.com/RajaGili/status/1514390065408929793?s=20&t=3E0tCstT9cRq0F5NYS0i_Q Almost the same Obama getting roasted before the Osama raid energy
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We can always hope the Russian disinformation campaign persists, Putin pulls out, and does a patented MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, ALL THE NAZIS ARE GONE. Or he gets offed. Either or.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Having had a think about it.... Nah. Dude controls state media. Make quiet diplomatic overtures to Germany, France and the US offering to pull out of Ukraine without actually admitting any fault in exchange for sactions lifts and keeping the gas on with Germany (what IS it with Germans and gas, by the way? Fucks sake Germany). Declare victory on the basis that Ukraine has been thoroughly denazified and pull out of everywhere except Crimea. Pivot all their forces towards meeting their May Day parade. Cremate all the bodies (war crimes and Russian soldiers alike) to hide the war crimes and domestic death toll. Then sort poo poo internally - stocktake of literally everything and rebuild - especially the nuke stockpile to make sure the good bits haven't been absconded with and replaced with cyrillic IOU notes like their conventional equipment. Purges for DAAAAAYS. Alternatively; Go full pariah state and threaten nukes unless aid is given and get resources from China while the west turns a blind eye (same way as north Korea) until the next US election and hope Trump wins again. Carth Dookie fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Carth Dookie posted:Nah. The deal with germany and gas is almost the same deal as Putin and Trump. Russia quietly provided support to 'green', actual Green, luddite, and Nimby groups and capitalized on Fukushima in order to sway public opinion against nuclear energy in Germany and to stall the development of renewables. It's been a long, successful con that has put Germany firmly on Russia's petroleum teat.
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Carth Dookie posted:Nah. Hm. Yeah, ok, this is more likely. I keep forgetting how tight a grip he has on Russia.
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EasilyConfused posted:It's funny and embarrassing, but it doesn't really change much. The Russian Navy doesn't have a lot of need for anti-shipping capability against Ukraine. Slava-class cruisers have the naval S-300F system aboard, which is why the Moskva and the Varyag were on regular deployments to the eastern Med over the past few years: used as air cover for the Russian airbase in Syria. The Russians may have other land-based S-300/S-400 systems in Crimea or near Southeastern Ukraine but this still puts a dent in the Russian SEAD capability.
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Carth Dookie posted:(what IS it with Germans and gas, by the way? Fucks sake Germany). Effort post in one of the other Ukraine threads on this very topic: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3910801&pagenumber=737&perpage=40&userid=0#post522784044 I'm no expert, but it makes a lot of sense.
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BeastOfExmoor posted:Effort post in one of the other Ukraine threads on this very topic: I was mostly making a  joke
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bennyfactor posted:Slava-class cruisers have the naval S-300F system aboard, which is why the Moskva and the Varyag were on regular deployments to the eastern Med over the past few years: used as air cover for the Russian airbase in Syria. The Russians may have other land-based S-300/S-400 systems in Crimea or near Southeastern Ukraine but this still puts a dent in the Russian SEAD capability. Good point. From a quick look, it seems like they only have medium range SAMs on the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates and then a bunch of short range ones on various ships. In retrospect, it was pretty stupid of them not to build up their naval forces as well as their land forces.
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EasilyConfused posted:Good point. From a quick look, it seems like they only have medium range SAMs on the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates and then a bunch of short range ones on various ships. They literally couldn't afford that, especially with current levels of corruption. A navy is expensive and they aren't the USSR any more.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They literally couldn't afford that, especially with current levels of corruption. No, I mean bring more ships from elsewhere in preparation for the invasion, just like they did with the army.
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EasilyConfused posted:No, I mean bring more ships from elsewhere in preparation for the invasion, just like they did with the army. Erdogan and Putin might be friends/friendly now, but there's no way he's going to flirt with complicity in the Ukraine invasion by allowing Northern Fleet assets to traverse the Bosporus. I'd imagine assets from Aviano, Rota, and Sigonella would shadow them as soon as they breached the Strait of Gibraltar as well. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Erdogan and Putin might be friends/friendly now, but there's no way he's going to flirt with complicity in the Ukraine invasion by allowing Northern Fleet assets to traverse the Bosporus. I'd imagine assets from Aviano, Rota, and Sigonella would shadow them as soon as they breached the Strait of Gibraltar as well. Per the Montreaux Convention, Turkey cannot block Russian warships from transiting to the Black Sea except in case of war. Russia could have sent as many naval vessels as they wanted before the invasion.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:God I love this meme. What’s it from?
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Hyrax Attack! posted:What’s it from? Hunt for Red October
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EasilyConfused posted:Per the Montreaux Convention, Turkey cannot block Russian warships from transiting to the Black Sea except in case of war. Russia could have sent as many naval vessels as they wanted before the invasion. Per the Budapest Memorandum, the Russian Federation “reaffirm[ed] their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine.”
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EasilyConfused posted:Per the Montreaux Convention, Turkey cannot block Russian warships from transiting to the Black Sea except in case of war. Russia could have sent as many naval vessels as they wanted before the invasion. Uh, not *really*? Transit of military vessels is limited by number, type, and tonnage and requests for transit need to be made in advance. Turkey can't block *civilian* ships from transiting to/from the Black Sea. Oh, and Turkey has regarded this as a "war" and thus, the wartime tenets of the Convention apply: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits#Russo-Ukrainian_War BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Carteret posted:We can always hope the Russian disinformation campaign persists, Putin pulls out, and does a patented MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, ALL THE NAZIS ARE GONE. “We have forced the Ukrainians to waste valuable ammo and in doing so become our most valued partner in our quest to purge our armed forces of its weakest troops, aircraft, tanks, armored personnel carriers, and naval vessels!”
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EasilyConfused posted:Russia could have sent as many naval vessels as they wanted before the invasion. Russia had little to no reason to believe they'd require more force than a fraction of what they massed along the border, and moving significant numbers of naval vessels would have made it much, much harder to deny any planned military actions.
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