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Comstar posted:GET ME DRACINFELS He hardly ever does stuff after the 1950s, mainly due to getting access to classified documentation on ships & events.
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CommieGIR posted:The current rumors are that it took a hit in the side, started leaning, and likely rolled over. Its likely at the bottom. Free communication is a yer hosed situation stability wise. https://man.fas.org/dod-101/navy/docs/swos/dca/stg4-03.html
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Despera posted:Hows the weather over the black sea? I'm sure our eyes in the sky can find it if its still floating Storming, or at least was, so they couldn't see anything through the clouds. I'm sure it will be verified as being sunk or not within the next 24 hours.
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Hamelekim posted:Storming, or at least was, so they couldn't see anything through the clouds. I'm sure it will be verified as being sunk or not within the next 24 hours. It's not sunk, it's still patrolling the Black Sea (Floor).
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mmkay posted:It's not sunk, it's still patrolling the Black Sea (Floor). Davey Jones' Matryoshka
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If it really was so badly damaged it rolled over, it's gone.
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Alctel posted:If it really was so badly damaged it rolled over, it's gone. Regardless it's gone from this conflict for good. Even if it survived it will take months if not years to repair and refit. I would love to have be a fly on the wall when Putin found out, if they have even told him yet.
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Wow, even Japan is sending equipment over https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1514476775019106307 Hamelekim posted:Regardless it's gone from this conflict for good. Even if it survived it will take months if not years to repair and refit.
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Youth Decay posted:Wow, even Japan is sending equipment over Presumably in a much longer room, but yeah.
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mmkay posted:It's not sunk, it's still patrolling the Black Sea (Floor). Just loving  at this. Had to go to bed before this was confirmed and it made my morning.I guess they'd rather claim it was an accident because there's no war and Ukraine has been demilitarized so this way is less damaging to their narrative.
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Hamelekim posted:Regardless it's gone from this conflict for good. Even if it survived it will take months if not years to repair and refit. The good news is that the shipyard where it was built and later refit is very close. The bad news is that would be Mykolaiv.
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Every time I start to forget that the russian state failed the messaging war to an almost incomprehensible degree, they do something like suggest their flagship blew itself up by accident rather than admit Ukraine destroyed it from shore. The point at which you aren't allowed to admit military losses happened because of enemy action — and you literally have no fallback line besides having to pretend that this must just have happened because your flagship was a piece of poo poo that blew up on its own, and your enemy didn't even have to try or invest anything to get this to happen, and you don't understand why this is worse, just quit and do something else
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Kavros posted:Every time I start to forget that the russian state failed the messaging war to an almost incomprehensible degree, they do something like suggest their flagship blew itself up by accident rather than admit Ukraine destroyed it from shore. Is this a sunk cost fallacy then?
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CommieGIR posted:They were using Anti-Ship missiles as artillery as well
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jmnmu posted:There's an extensive network of This is a good post. I have one particular "friend" who is also part of this circle and it's absolutely staggering to me to see someone who's totally on the money when it comes to Palestine, Yemen, skepticism of media and many other issues but completely loving on board with anything China or Russia say or does.
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Kavros posted:Every time I start to forget that the russian state failed the messaging war to an almost incomprehensible degree, they do something like suggest their flagship blew itself up by accident rather than admit Ukraine destroyed it from shore. I am genuinely curious as to how they plan on breaking the news to their population. Do they just hold a press conference one day and say “oh btw we actually lost 40k dead and 80k injured, have no more operational tanks and have had multiple ships sunk”? Where is the off-ramp for them now other than a coup?
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ShadowHawk posted:I was looking at the list of needed materiel at https://saveualist.com/ and noticed that while it lists strike aircraft it doesn't make any mention of fighter jets. Does that mean the transfers are going through? Fighter jets are only useful against an enemy with a functional airforce.
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Trump posted:Is this a sunk cost fallacy then? Ahaaaa gay picnic defence posted:I am genuinely curious as to how they plan on breaking the news to their population. Do they just hold a press conference one day and say “oh btw we actually lost 40k dead and 80k injured, have no more operational tanks and have had multiple ships sunk”? If the reality of the situation would make him look weak, he will never permit the reality of the situation to be said and will respond with progressively more and more fanatical fascism and crackdowns on "dissent" (which rapidly expands to mean anyone not obediently parroting the party-approved lies). The situation putin put himself in renders this war an existential concern for him as a strongman dictator.
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Kavros posted:Every time I start to forget that the russian state failed the messaging war to an almost incomprehensible degree, they do something like suggest their flagship blew itself up by accident rather than admit Ukraine destroyed it from shore.
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Payndz posted:Waiting for someone to deepfake Putin's face onto Peter Firth's and Zelensky's onto Sean Connery's in the scene where Ramius kills the Red October's political officer whose name is Putin. He kinda already looks somewhat like Putin, although I guess the Putin of 30 years ago.
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Risky Bisquick posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/CanadianUkrain1/status/1514486639598391300 Where are the sailors going to end up if they're picked up by a Turkish vessel? If it's heading to Crimea then I'm assuming they'll be returned but if it's heading to Turkey? Could they also be handed over to Ukraine as POWs or would that be considered an aggressive act by the neutral nation?
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Did Russia ever acknowledge that landing ship sunk or did they stick to the 'it was temporarily placed below water to assist firefighting efforts' line They said it was damaged by a fire and the crew were safely evacuated. No mention of Ukraine or any casualties or the status of the ship. I think a Turkish source has confirmed it sunk and at least 50 survivors pulled from the water by a Turkish rescue vessel.
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gay picnic defence posted:They said it was damaged by a fire and the crew were safely evacuated. No mention of Ukraine or any casualties or the status of the ship. nah I'm talking about the earlier ship sunk at port in berdyansk
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Fragrag posted:Where are the sailors going to end up if they're picked up by a Turkish vessel? If it's heading to Crimea then I'm assuming they'll be returned but if it's heading to Turkey? Yeah Turkey isn't even on board with sanctions, taking Russian sailors prisoner would be a crazy move. They'll probably just go back to Crimea by boat
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Fragrag posted:Where are the sailors going to end up if they're picked up by a Turkish vessel? If it's heading to Crimea then I'm assuming they'll be returned but if it's heading to Turkey? Turkish prison?
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mobby_6kl posted:Turkish prison? I would assume that as a neutral party rescuing soldiers in possibly international waters, Turkey would return Russian sailers to Russian territory?
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Neptun wasnt taken seriously even by Ukrainians and has been the object of mockery on the Ukrainian military podcast that I listen to - along with Oplot and the like (export-seeking vaporware in Russian tradition) so seeing it hit the jackpot is very satisfying.
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Ithink they are supposed to remain at the neutral party. At least thets how it worked in WWII when combatants ended up in Sweden.
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Charliegrs posted:Is the Moskva the first naval capital ship to be destroyed since the Falklands war? Cruisers aren't capital ships. The Slava-class are just boring missile cruisers.
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SourKraut posted:I would assume that as a neutral party rescuing soldiers in possibly international waters, Turkey would return Russian sailers to Russian territory? Also I just rememberd that russians clamined to have destroyed all TB2s several times over lol. I'd really wanto to know what actually happened. Using drones to overwhelm anti-air defenses is like the textbook way to do this. fatherboxx posted:Neptun wasnt taken seriously even by Ukrainians and has been the object of mockery on the Ukrainian military podcast that I listen to - along with Oplot and the like (export-seeking vaporware in Russian tradition) so seeing it hit the jackpot is very satisfying. Do you know what was supposedly wrong with them? Just the usual MIC boondoggle?
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Why was the russian navy dependent on Turkish rescue vessels? Were their own ships too busy staying afloat in the storm to come rescue their dudes?
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fatherboxx posted:Neptun wasnt taken seriously even by Ukrainians and has been the object of mockery on the Ukrainian military podcast that I listen to - along with Oplot and the like (export-seeking vaporware in Russian tradition) so seeing it hit the jackpot is very satisfying. Given they're now one of the few modern missiles with a proven track record there might be a few orders for them once they get their MIC up and running again. I think there could be a fair bit of demand for those Stugna missiles too since interested parties have a pretty good idea of how well they blow up tanks.
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