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theCalamity posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1514335931284738052?s=21&t=5qusxgQpo03vGKSj2EhkaQ Amazing how real life is more cringe than that movie
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:What are you trying to accomplish when you do this? Gauge and prod how offline people deal with climate change. I sometimes ask people in passing about the future in hopes they may impart some wisdom I had missed, but never once have I heard a single mention of CC by any of the mid-20's-30's people I interacted with these past 10 years. Everyone is just making babies and buying houses they will never pay off. Same old poo poo its always been. BRJurgis posted:Be angry, disenfranchised, loud and unsatisfied. Be an anti-consumer. Be strong, be a fighter, a soldier. We need that strength and intent whether we are to accomplish our goals or simply survive. And be strong for those who can't, that we might show the promise of a better way simply through our legacy. Years of reading about this has completely broken my brain beyond repair. I'm at acceptance, but not the good and wholesome kind. Frankly I dont even think it's right TO WANT to feel good anymore. Doing meaningless bullshit like recycling or getting an electric might ease your grieve but it will never be enough to soothe the soul if your brain can put more than 2 and 2 together. I think that anger should be maintained. This isn't some unfortunate weather event we'll just have to tough out. It's the cumulative cost of greed of the entire system and those who defend, worship and participate in it crashing down upon you in real-time. Sets of actions of men whom you've never met who traded any possible hope and prospects of the future for their own exclusive benefit-- now starting a cascade of death this planet hasn't seen for a while, maybe ever. What does the law say about something like that? Who would you even prosecute? I think there comes a point where you crackping hard enough you just go full comicbook villain. I honestly dont care about being a fighter or a "soldier" for any "goal" because the time has passed to save anything. I dont care for legacies because I doubt we're getting out of this century alive in any meaningful capacity. We are never going to leave this rock and will drown in our own hubris as the climate slowly suffocates and dismantles the only system we've ever had or known. So I dont really give a poo poo anymore and I'd like to stop pretending there's a light at the end of this tunnel. Sometimes poo poo doesn't work out that way. Personally I'd rather earn just enough cash to buy my daily dose of booze and weed and hope I'll last long enough to witness some rich rear end in a top hat get deleted on live television.
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Tony Tone posted:Gauge and prod how offline people deal with climate change. I sometimes ask people in passing about the future in hopes they may impart some wisdom I had missed, but never once have I heard a single mention of CC by any of the mid-20's-30's people I interacted with these past 10 years. I don't really see our disagreement so long as you haven't committed to giving up. It's, uh, difficult to talk about the area between my post and yours since we have basically no power or control by which to combat this legally, and even things we can't discuss wouldn't be achieve our goals under current conditions. Given the circumstances, even continuing to sound the alarm and being ready for change is objectively better than totally checking out. I may be a broken comic book villian myself, because feeling like I know my fight and my enemy (even if that enemy is a relatively intangible concept or worldview) gives me a sense of balance and fulfillment, a way to exist in this world in (relative) peace with myself. The universe is chaotic. People are exasperated, angry, disenfranchised. Systems fail. If that energy was increasingly aligned with climate preservation instead of indiscriminate rage at the world, I can think of some more favorable evening news stories than what we currently endure.
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The time has definitely not passed to "save anything". That's simply untrue. Timely article: ‘Historic’: global climate plans can now keep heating below 2C, study shows But goal of limiting global heating to 1.5C will fail without immediate action, scientists warn https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/13/historic-global-climate-plans-can-now-keep-heating-below-2c-study-shows quote:For the first time the world is in a position to limit global heating to under 2C, according to the first in-depth analysis of the net zero pledges made by nations at the UN Cop26 climate summit in December. If anything, we are in a critical moment in time where big policy changes could make enormous differences decades from now. It's more important than it has ever been to get engaged with climate activism, progressive political activism, and to dedicate as much time and energy as you possibly can to trying to make this possible.
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How are u posted:The time has definitely not passed to "save anything". That's simply untrue. Timely article: Are you aware that climate scientists have been protesting and getting arrested? And that it has received almost zero media coverage? We're the Titanic. It's way too late for the types of drastic policy changes that would be needed to achieve even sub-2C.
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Lol, cool "plans", just like the Paris "plans" or any other CC-related summit/agreement/pinky promise where nations totally pledged to reduce emissions and then just kept everything running normal in plain sight. Scientists have been begging for immediate action for years. Each time what little action is taken is ineffective and limp, or just stupid token bullshit that helps nothing like paper straws. Any progress the Western sphere makes in fighting emissions is also entirely offset by the rest of the developing world right now doing everything they can to get as close as possible to the Western lifestyle and quality emitting even more emissions in the process. You cant even protest this poo poo in public, people will rip you apart the moment you interrupt their daily routines to work, it's a very weak topic in politics and a very unsexy topic in the media and thus has an even slimmer chance translating into effective climate friendly policy. This is why these kind of articles don't really impress me anymore, it feels like deja vu, just like with the articles warning about the ppm threshold and the rest of the world just doubling down each year blowing past it. Tony Tone fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:Are you aware that climate scientists have been protesting and getting arrested? And that it has received almost zero media coverage? The climate scientists in the article I shared specifically say it is not too late. That's the entire article. That's why it's more important than ever to join in efforts to bring about those drastic policy changes. Are you arguing that we can't succeed, so why try? e: like, you can disagree with the article, but could you point out where you disagree with the scientists rather than a blanket "it's way too late"? They're not painting a rosy picture or saying "everything will be fine". They acknowledge very clearly how difficult the task is. How are u fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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How are u posted:The climate scientists in the article I shared specifically say it is not too late. That's the entire article. That's why it's more important than ever to join in efforts to bring about those drastic policy changes. I read the article. Specifically, this part: quote:However, the researchers said this depended on all nations implementing their pledges on time and in full, and warned that the policies to do so were not in place. The pledges also include those that developing countries have said will not happen without more financial and technical support. What this report is basically saying is that it's way too late for 1.5C (i.e. less than 10% chance of hitting the necessary emission targets), but don't worry guys, 2C is still within reach! All we need to do is work harder than we currently are! (Five years from now, it'll be "it's way too late for 2C, but don't worry guys, 2.5C is still within reach!") quote:The climate policies actually in place today would mean a peak of about 2.6C, leading to “massive climate damages around the world”, said McGlade. The commitments made by countries so far up to 2030 only cut that peak to 2.4C. The IPCC has said that limiting heating to 1.5C requires reducing CO2 emissions by 45% by 2030 compared with 2010. OK so basically, the pledges we have so far made, which we can't even hit, are actually insufficient for the 2C target. So what gives you the impression that people like you and me can have any impact whatsoever on any of this? I'm with the other posters here who have said that the most rational course of action is to spend one's time and energy on local resilience and mitigation efforts, because such efforts are the ones that actually have a chance of making a real impact.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:I read the article. Specifically, this part: We can't do anything individually, but we can make differences collectively. That's how collective action works. Why do you think we've collectively made huge strides in emissions reductions and renewable proliferation over the past decade? Just for fun? No, it's because people are collectively demanding it through a variety of avenues. On the streets, at the ballot box, and with their wallets. That didn't just happen on its own. Like, 2C is literally within reach, and your argument seems to be "I don't believe we'll succeed, so why bother?" Correct me if I'm wrong. I was around 6, 7, 8+ years ago when we were all convinced that we were absolutely 100% locked into 4C+ warming. Now we're facing down 2C+. We're making progress, more slowly than we should and could be, but we are making progress. Getting involved has never mattered more than it does right now.
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How are u posted:We can't do anything individually, but we can make differences collectively. That's how collective action works. Why do you think we've collectively made huge strides in emissions reductions and renewable proliferation over the past decade? Just for fun? No, it's because people are collectively demanding it through a variety of avenues. On the streets, at the ballot box, and with their wallets. That didn't just happen on its own. Well, the bad news in the USA is that we’re going to have a climate-change-denying Congress in 2023 and probably the same for a POTUS in 2025. That’s grim.
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VideoGameVet posted:Well, the bad news in the USA is that we’re going to have a climate-change-denying Congress in 2023 and probably the same for a POTUS in 2025. That’s grim. We may, and that would indeed be grim. I'm doing electoral work right now, and it sure ain't sunshine and roses. But, that's also not written in stone. It may happen, it may not. I'm especially wary of any prognostication for 2024. I do know, though, that we won't even have a shot of keeping those things from happening if we sit on our hands and do nothing. That's a certainty.
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you're not wrong, its just that the things that need doing are... outside the norms that got us here
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How are u posted:We may, and that would indeed be grim. I'm doing electoral work right now, and it sure ain't sunshine and roses. But, that's also not written in stone. It may happen, it may not. I'm especially wary of any prognostication for 2024. I do know, though, that we won't even have a shot of keeping those things from happening if we sit on our hands and do nothing. That's a certainty. The polls look really awful right now, but that could change. This may sound paranoid, but given much of the inflation is really profiteering, I'm of a mind that many of these companies, especially the energy companies, would love to see a Republican Congress and that's a benefit of the inflation they are driving.
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How are u posted:We can't do anything individually, but we can make differences collectively. That's how collective action works. Why do you think we've collectively made huge strides in emissions reductions and renewable proliferation over the past decade? Just for fun? No, it's because people are collectively demanding it through a variety of avenues. On the streets, at the ballot box, and with their wallets. That didn't just happen on its own. No we aren’t. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's like trying to catch a moving train. It's going 30. We get up to 5 mph and you can shout all you want about the progress we are making but it's moving away from us, the speed we need to reach to catch it is increasing, and our window to do so is closing. Every second we go less than 30mph and every mph below we are in that second is more we need to make up on the other side.
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HRU has pretty openly stated they embrace radical optimism, as frustrating as it is I don't think it's a position they'll abandon. I do think there's something to the idea of not giving up, even if all we can do is shout and practice whatever sort of boycotting, activism, collaboration, and minimalism we can manage. If some crazy unanticipated poo poo goes down and there are opportunities to seize, it'd be better or even necessary that we'd used what tools we're afforded now to inform and create a network of like-minded people. Results can be a fantasy, but the collaboration and solidarity can't be written off even if it's not enough (yet). If you think I'm asking to simply vote harder you're not using enough imagination.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I would say that's exactly why it's so bad for the environment, that's what enables our current overconsumption of resources and worsens the climate crisis (Jevons Paradox), which will cause these chains to break down anyway. Because economic efficiency does not mean good for the environment. Hence any smart country will look into getting as self-sufficient as possible now because the system will break down in a decade or two barring a literal miracle. It will consume more resources and energy to produce the same stuff. But yes the efficiency is what allowed the consumption. But there are two systems. Economy and climate and we need both stable to not poo poo the bed.
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How are u posted:Are you arguing that we can't succeed, so why try? This os the classic line that always goes out, pointlessly. Nope, no one is arguing that there should be no attempt to curb emissions. No one ITT is begging to burn even more carbon either. That’s a dishonest response and characterization of people who are skeptical of articles saying “We can change course if a bunch of competing nations all agree to radically change course and economic fundamentals NOW.”
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mlmp08 posted:This os the classic line that always goes out, pointlessly. Nope, no one is arguing that there should be no attempt to curb emissions. No one ITT is begging to burn even more carbon either. The articles probably aren't wrong but are as useful as saying that this heroin junkie can still live a long life if they just stop injecting right now. Both accurate and not exactly the most helpful observation.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:We're the Titanic. Wrong example. We *were* the Titanic before +1.5C was locked in and we're full tilt boogeying towards +3C. Now we're the Hindenburg. 
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We gonna be alright just so you know lol you just owning yourself
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White House national climate advisor is leaving. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/14/gina-mccarthy-biden-climate-change-depart/ This is really bad. It basically signals the administration throwing in the towel on climate change. GG y'all. We had a good run.
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Slow News Day posted:White House national climate advisor is leaving. Politically with the 2 or more DINO's in the Senate, they had zero chance of doing much anyway.
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Centrism man has hot takes on what the US needs to do. https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1514996803313319936?s=21&t=g2Ik8SeEZihyX4jE0C1NqA
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mlmp08 posted:Centrism man has hot takes on what the US needs to do. "WE CAN'T TAKE BOLD ACTION ON POPULAR THINGS, WE NEED TO TAKE BOLD ACTION ON UNPOPULAR THINGS"
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mlmp08 posted:Centrism man has hot takes on what the US needs to do. While I'm not sure how popular/unpopular this would be with the general public, it certainly would be fought tooth and nail by the environmental community. Terrible idea, glad this guy is just a Twitter rando and not actually in charge of anything.
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Always do the opposite of what MattY says. Never failed yet
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Now is the time for market-based solutions!
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Hey Matty, if I wanted Trumpian policies I would have loving voted for Trump.
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Biden caving to open up oil/gas leases in Federal lands to appease a political segment that will never vote for him regardless is an example of how clueless this administration is. It's the same logic for why Garland didn't go after the 1/6 ringleaders. Decorum. A long time ago one of my children sent Obama a spelunking headlamp for the same reason.
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VideoGameVet posted:Biden caving to open up oil/gas leases in Federal lands to appease a political segment that will never vote for him regardless is an example of how clueless this administration is. Fossil fuel lobbyists did vote for Biden, though
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Potato Salad posted:Fossil fuel lobbyists did vote for Biden, though Do you have like a source or something for this? I would imagine that actual fossil fuel industry lobbyists, if they voted at all, probably voted for Trump. But, I suspect that they are currently far happier with the way the Biden admin has treated the O&G industry than they expected they would be, back in January of 2021. The O&G industry shovels buckets of money into the pockets of Republicans and Democrats alike, though the Republicans are definitely better for the industry insofar as Republicans supplicate the entire Federal government to O&G interests without hesitation or thought.
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Biden gave his victory speech with Chase's logo emblazoned loving *everywhere*. He's the former Senator from the Great State of Tax Evasion and Bank Incorporation. By being in Big Finance's pocket you're in all other dirty pockets by default.
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Potato Salad posted:Fossil fuel lobbyists did vote for Biden, though Hedging their bets so to speak. My point is that there in NOTHING Biden could do that would get the idiots sticking pictures of him on gas pumps, with the caption "I did that", to vote for him. The secret of the GOP is that they don't give a rats rear end about moderates. They drive the base by being true to their right wing values. Maybe one day the Democrats will figure out that they need to drive their base as well. But I doubt it.
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Tony Tone posted:Gauge and prod how offline people deal with climate change. I sometimes ask people in passing about the future in hopes they may impart some wisdom I had missed, but never once have I heard a single mention of CC by any of the mid-20's-30's people I interacted with these past 10 years.  than most, but, this is how I look at it: no one can choose when they're born, life is generally hard and painful, I enjoyed my own childhood despite the shittineds of a lot of it, so if I can provide that experience for our kids and also do whatever I can to prepare them as well as possible to survive in whatever is coming, then that's all I can do given the situation I was born in. I don't expect to hit my kids over the head with doom, at the same time I think that stuff like the length of the ski season and various animal populations will change obviously over their upbringing, and I've already told the older (5) kid things are changing faster and in unpredictable ways, sort of thing. the friends I have that I discuss this poo poo with are either on the same page, or explicitly admit they don't think about this because their heads will explode. as far as the mortgage, my personal hope is to have more actual cash than we owe on the house in 5 years when I'm 46, and if we can give our kids 11 acres of land with possibly functional farming still at that point, then that's the best I can aim for now. expecting other random people in your age group to have good ideas about any of this is hopeless. I try to find as much joy as I can, and bear witness to the rest. knowing that all this is happening, constantly, is sort of similar to tinnitus in terms of how it impacts me cognitively and emotionally.
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Yeah, I just consider myself lucky to live on a temperate island on the western edge of Europe which produces a lot of food, and to have a house with a small mortgage, 30m above sea level, with a good network of neighbours that help each other out. I'll just be a quiet observer to the madness, probably remain childless, and try to help out people where I can
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VideoGameVet posted:My point is that there in NOTHING Biden could do that would get the idiots sticking pictures of him on gas pumps, with the caption "I did that", to vote for him. It's a 'chicken and egg' situation. Which came first, that he didn't want to do anything or that he couldn't do anything?
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