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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Meaning, of course that the Federation had the technology to travel back in time and tell everyone to take their warp cores offline, or just go back and gather primary source data about wtf happened so they could fix it in the future (Temporal Prime Directive Complaint, that). But nah, they were doomed by hack writing to be content with a Galaxy of suffering and slavery. Lol do you think if a rando showed up saying "I'm from the future, stop space travel" anyone at all would listen
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Professor Beetus posted:Eh, it'd be pretty easy to technobabble something about the Burn also ending their ability to time travel freely, given that it is a broken rear end thing to just have at your disposal when trying to tell sci-fi stories and every plot having to be written around it would be annoying. I get the feeling that when Enterprise was written, there were no plans to have a Star Trek series set in the 32nd Century and they figured that 31st was safely far enough in the future for it to just be a thing. Now what might have been better would have been Discovery taking place in the 27th or 28th Century, and that way you can use the 31st century stuff of Enterprise as a "hey look, things do get better again and the fractured federation isn't the status quo going forward." The 29th/30th/31st century was chosen in the old series as 'so far in the future it's basically magic' and far enough off it'd never cause a problem, that's why they have tech like resurrection and bigger-on-the-inside ships and being able to walk through walls and crazy things like that. Going to the 27th or so century would've made much more sense for Discovery but they really wanted to do 'OH NO THE FEDERATION/GALAXY IS IN DANGER' plots where we didn't know if they'd be okay! (yes we do) or if they'd recover from the Burn, so they just skipped over it to the 32nd and suddenly time travel is against the law and their tech has seemingly regressed somewhat.
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Gaius frakking Baltar.....in an episode where a blonde lady in a red dress is experiencing visions of an entity only she can see! You love to see it!
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At least this episode was more interesting. But it totally sucks to get to the precipice of a story - 7 episodes in, and maybe we'll finally understand what any of this is about - only to have more obstacles placed in the way, apparently just to fill up more time. We get some background on Picard and his mother, but not the WHOLE story, no, that will have to wait. We get some Q-related stuff and Guinan-related stuff but again, we aren't introduced to that in episode 4, we have to wait till, what, episode 9 before this thread picks up again? Meanwhile the Renee Picard stuff is, apparently, over? Like the ICE stuff, just an artificial obstacle thrown in to stretch this through 10 episodes, apparently. If you're going to do that, at least make that poo poo fun to watch. If something like this would have been episode 3 and the overall story was advancing with each episode at a good pace, then the series could possibly have been much better.
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Apr 14, 2022 08:09
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I'm absolutely LOVING that the one overarching theme of Picard Season 2 is now inescapably gently caress The Police. This was a MUCH better episode than the previous two weeks. poo poo got done, mysteries got solved, there were great character moments and good reveals, and it feels like we're making a tiny bit of progress towards current goals and new goals. ashpanash posted:If something like this would have been episode 3 and the overall story was advancing with each episode at a good pace, then the series could possibly have been much better. I'm much more forgiving of the season on an emotional level, esepcially if it can keep up this episode's level of quality for the home stretch, but this is still my generally feeling. "This is alright, but it REALLY could have just been a three-parter or something." nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Kesper North posted:It's like they cut their teeth on writing sidequests and mostly understand narrative from MMOs AGDQ Star Trek: Picard Season 2 Any% Picard keeps walking into a corner in Guinan's bar and taps on his comm badge incessantly while checking his inventory to sequence break right to the final boss fight with Q.
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I loving love Jay Karnes and his presence alone made this dumb episode like 20 times better. Apparently people already knew he was gonna be in the show but I did not and neither did IMDB so once I saw him come down those stairs my jaw was on the floor. I'm literally more excited to see Jay Karnes than anyone from old Trek. And now that I'm doing some more in depth research, I see that he was in 12 Monkeys, Terry Matalas's other good show, so now I know for a fact I need to go watch that. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:AGDQ Star Trek: Picard Season 2 Any%  Elnor is standing on a chair and T-posing Gonz posted:Tallinn was a Romulan the whole time! I bet you tenbux that Talinn is (or rather will be) Laris DaveKap posted:IAnd now that I'm doing some more in depth research, I see that he was in 12 Monkeys, Terry Matalas's other good show, so now I know for a fact I need to go watch that. Gee, I wonder if Seven will think he's a Time Agent, such as, say, Lietenant Ducane of the USS Relativity Kesper North fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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Kesper North posted:
Laris is probably Talinn's daughter or granddaughter, given the way genetics works in Trek. Her and Picard will part ways on a bitter sweet note when he goes back to the 25th century, but their bonding will prove the boot in the rear end JL needed to finally get over his poo poo and allow himself to properly fall in love with someone who's there for and open to him, ie: Laris ...Just in time for season 3 to start up and for Beverly to show up and again and get Picard's robo dick all confused again  Kesper North posted:Gee, I wonder if Seven will think he's a Time Agent, such as, say, Lietenant Ducane of the USS Relativity Oh gently caress, if he actually IS Ducane here on some sort of time police bullshit business from the Relativity that would be loving mental and Matalas is like some loving Gordian Knot-tying television wizard. E: I also appreciate what they did with James Callis's character's Starfleet uniform for this episode. Since he only existed in Picard's dream state and was a mishmash of his memories of his father filtered through his subconcious, when his brain was trying to interpret him through the lens of a Starfleet officer, his uniform was a blend of three different styles: the Voyager solid-colour shoulder pads, the First Contact/DS9 gray shoulders and coloured collar, and a bit of the modern era uniforms seen in episode 1 this year too. It really had the feel of "this is something that your mind knows is not right, but you have no choice to perceive of it anyway because you're dreaming, the gently caress are you gonna do?" nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Apr 14, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh gently caress, if he actually IS Ducane here on some sort of time police bullshit business from the Relativity that would be loving mental and Matalas is like some loving Gordian Knot-tying television wizard. I suppose it could be coincidental, or just a wink-and-nod, but the casting feels a little too specific for him not to be Ducane, considering this is a time travel story, and Ducane is a time travel guy. A federal agent would be perfect cover for an experienced future timecop, too. Even if that's not the case he's still a fun actor to pull. Win-win. Nice to see Guinan again, and we finally got a bit of background on the El-Aurian/Q Continuum relationship, if not necessarily Guinan and Q's dealings specifically. She even did the goofy Sith force lightning pose! I'm guessing now that Rios has pulled the full Voyage Home bit on Teresa and her son, he's in too deep now, and has little choice but to either bring them along when they leave or stay behind. There are probably other ways around that, but it feels like a choice he's heading towards. James Callis was great as expected. Love a good brain dive, always a lot to chew on. Good ep.
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Delsaber posted:I suppose it could be coincidental, or just a wink-and-nod, but the casting feels a little too specific for him not to be Ducane, considering this is a time travel story, and Ducane is a time travel guy. A federal agent would be perfect cover for an experienced future timecop, too. Even if that's not the case he's still a fun actor to pull. Win-win. Rios staying behind in 2024 also gets him out of the center chair on the Stargazer in favor of Picard for Season 3. Still 50/50 on what direction that's headed in though. I also appreciated that they explained what the deal was between Q and Guinan without it ever specifically being about Q and Guinan themselves as individuals. Just that El-Aurians are the one race in the universe who can actively not put up with the Continuum's bullshit so they called a truce and Q and Guinan just loving hate eachother because of bad blood between their people or whatever. There's more, but we will thankfully, hopefully, never know it, as we shouldn't.
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Delsaber posted:I suppose it could be coincidental, or just a wink-and-nod, but the casting feels a little too specific for him not to be Ducane, considering this is a time travel story, and Ducane is a time travel guy. A federal agent would be perfect cover for an experienced future timecop, too. Even if that's not the case he's still a fun actor to pull. Win-win. Also according to Amazon's X-Ray feature for this episode, the character he's playing is named Agent Wells. As in Wells-class timeship. aka the USS Relativity. He's probably Ducane...
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I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century. I repeat myself, I know that Star Trek has never been great in regards to this topic but I just don't buy that Picard's mother would live like this in the 24th century (I assume she suffered from manic depression/schizophrenia). I of course assume they don't throw in the trope of "it's not actually mental illness, it's some scifi/"magic" thing that causes it" because Not-Laris did hint at there being more to it though it obviously doesn't fix the issue of why Daddy Picard would just ignore the problem or why it's a problem at all in the 24th century (at least to this extent). To me it feels like another example of the writers simply not caring or respecting the setting and just writing things like it's a contemporary setting.
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Kesper North posted:It's like they cut their teeth on writing sidequests and mostly understand narrative from MMOs Which is funny because the focus of narrative over fun and world building in an MMO is about 40% of the reason modern MMOs have all sucked for the last 10+ years.
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This was probably my favorite episode of the season so far. I’m going to laugh if the FBI agent really is Temporal Investigations and 2024 LA becomes a giant space-time clusterfuck of Picard, Guinan, Q, and the Borg, and the Time Cops have to come in with a giant “what the gently caress is going on here”.
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LinkesAuge posted:I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century. they have severely mentally ill people in all the old Treks. They clearly have not "cured" mental illness even in Picard as Captain time.
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Oh boy that "It's not my job to be interesting!" line is going to be chopped out and put in thousands of YouTube videos
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According to his wikipedia page, he's playing Ducane
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LinkesAuge posted:I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century. Yeah imagine characters in the 24th century with mental illnesses that could not be easily treated  Mental illnesses like aggressive mania, chronic and crippling anxiety, or... liking sex
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I liked this episode but I can see that some people will think it is just another waste, they don't resolve most of the actual plot but they at least get back to it a bit before another diversion that is probably going to play out based on the big referenceIymarra posted:According to his wikipedia page, he's playing Ducane Not sure if it is confirmed officially but there is no way he is not, the casting is too on the nose and it fits the end of episode clue like they did with the Gary Seven reference
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I thought that episode was great, hopefully it's an indicator that the last couple were just a mid-plot slump. The performances were all on point, the show this season really shines when its titular character is allowed to be at the forefront. Stoked about the endgame they're teasing revolving around Q reaching out for help in some sort of indirect dickish way.ashpanash posted:Meanwhile the Renee Picard stuff is, apparently, over? Like the ICE stuff, just an artificial obstacle thrown in to stretch this through 10 episodes, apparently. If you're going to do that, at least make that poo poo fun to watch. I doubt that. They've been doing this dance all season long where they introduce plot elements like Guinan, Q, and Rios' love interest, dump them for just long enough for us to think they're done, and then bring them back. Plus, there's still a mad Soong out there trying to kill Renee, right? LinkesAuge posted:I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century. In fairness, Picard's family are a bunch of weird conservative Luddite types, even by today's standards. Delsaber posted:I'm guessing now that Rios has pulled the full Voyage Home bit on Teresa and her son, he's in too deep now, and has little choice but to either bring them along when they leave or stay behind. There are probably other ways around that, but it feels like a choice he's heading towards. Something interesting that's more evidence in favor of this love affair being part of a predestination clusterfuck: nerds spotted what's-her-name's clinic's butterfly logo on cargo containers in the Confederate La Sirena.
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For as little screen time as she’s had, Picard’s mother actually felt fairly real.  I’ve had people in my life who’ve suffered from mental illness, and the flowery, whimsical, “isn’t everything beautiful” phase followed by a distressing break from reality is very familiar to me. Whether or not that should be treatable by 24th century standards is a whole other thing, but I felt it was effective.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:
I haven't seen any on the confederate one, but the medical supplies Seven was carrying in the first episode in the real timeline were marked with the butterfly logo
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MikeJF posted:I haven't seen any on the confederate one, but the medical supplies Seven was carrying in the first episode in the real timeline were marked with the butterfly logo Ah, maybe that was it.
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lol the clinic scenes were amusing. But maybe Rios don't try to super break the timeline by taking people to your ship. The Shield crossover confirmed. Dutch is on the case. DaveKap posted:I loving love Jay Karnes and his presence alone made this dumb episode like 20 times better. Apparently people already knew he was gonna be in the show but I did not and neither did IMDB so once I saw him come down those stairs my jaw was on the floor. He was great in that too. LinkesAuge posted:I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century. On top of what others have said, Dad Picard also said she was refusing help.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Yeah imagine characters in the 24th century with mental illnesses that could not be easily treated Weren't they the product of illegal genetic conditioning?
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Typical Pubbie posted:Weren't they the product of illegal genetic conditioning? yea this absolutely doesn't count
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Oh boy that "It's not my job to be interesting!" line is going to be chopped out and put in thousands of YouTube videos As the doof who bought me this avatar insists... no one gives a poo poo...?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I doubt that. They've been doing this dance all season long where they introduce plot elements like Guinan, Q, and Rios' love interest, dump them for just long enough for us to think they're done, and then bring them back. Plus, there's still a mad Soong out there trying to kill Renee, right? I mean, maybe. But I'm sure you can forgive me for thinking otherwise, based on how a thing that was the focus of the narrative for two episodes gets tossed aside with a single "she's fine." If there's more to that story (and let's hope there is, because if there isn't, then it's a failure of storytelling plain and simple) then it's more evidence that they still made a huge mistake in how they're presenting this, one way or another. If this is how they want to make the show, they should have dropped all the episodes at once, or in groups that actually tell stories.
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MikeJF posted:I wonder if Seven's going to end up recognising him I guess the question is at this point is he Federation Ducane trying to mitigate the damage Picard and the Time Idiots are causing or is he Confederation Ducane trying to stop Picard and the Time Idiots from fixing history and erasing the Confederation from existence?
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HD DAD posted:It’s going to end Monty Python and the Holy Grail style with the time police just arresting everybody, including Q, for just loving up the timeline so badly. That would unironically rule.
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