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WhatEvil posted:I get what somebody was saying earlier about "We should object to this because it's fascism, not because it's expensive" but also: As a counterpoint https://twitter.com/EdmundGriffiths/status/1514559339004104705?t=dUChIZdupTayOcojXWHdxQ&s=09
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Jeherrin posted:Anyway I’m drunkdespairposting so I am going to bed. I’m glad y’all exist. You’re good people. Take it easy, bud.
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Ha this country man It's hard to be too shocked because of course, but christ almighty That said the thought of a priti patel government fills me with genuine dread because she seems like one of a minority of tories who realise how power works and are willing to use it to grand if terrifying ideological ends rather than just for blowjobs and kickbacks in the Johnson mold.
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OwlFancier posted:They might not instigate it, but I doubt they would change it, other than to do worse at yarls wood or something. They opposed it publicly not long ago https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/priti-patel-johnson-immigration-offshore-b1873903.html the article is paywalled but presumably the article follows the headline edit: or maybe not paywalled, now I can see it so maybe it was just cookies lol
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Paperhouse posted:They opposed it publicly not long ago Oh I'm sure they will say it's bad, what I mean is that I don't think they would actually reverse it if they got into power. I think the objection is purely rhetorical. Starmer has consitently demonstrated that he only really cares about putting as many people as possible in prison, so as I said, the only thing I think labour might do different is they would favour the domestic horror camps we already have.
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I'm still voting Labour even if they're eminently poo poo. It's either them stagnating us in poo poo, the Tories making things worse, or civil war. And I'm too old and fat for civil war.
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OwlFancier posted:They might not instigate it, but I doubt they would change it, other than to do worse at yarls wood or something. https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1514639268739751942?t=yL92yGyfsX4HSeF3vlmByg&s=19 Spoilered for racism and piss boiling content.
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I mean, as far as I know we have very little idea what goes on in there since theresa may blocked investigation into whether it was full of rapists because "the results of the investigation could harm the commercial interests of the operator of the prison"
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Tesseraction posted:I'm still voting Labour even if they're eminently poo poo. It's either them stagnating us in poo poo, the Tories making things worse, or civil war. And I'm too old and fat for civil war. Local Elections are coming up. There's no reason not to vote with your conscience for these, since councils/Local Authorities have a pretty limited scope of actual influence these days. Still, if Labour poo poo the bed hard enough, there's potential for a leadership challenge to follow. Keith isn't well-liked among Labour MPs - I get the feeling he's tolerated more than anything. Which isn't to say that someone decent will get enough support to run against Keith, but I do believe there are enough decent MPs still inside Labour that Wes Streeting wouldn't get a clear run at the leadership.
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The idea of establishing 'reception centres' in third countries, was first suggested by Tony Blair in 2003, his ilk now control the party. Starmer has a pretty lengthy record of saying one thing and doing another. So you can't really put any stock in what he's saying. And even if he was honest about his intentions he's got no stomach to fight the media so he's 2 bad headlines away from doing a 180 on his position anyway.
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Miftan posted:The tories are ready to go full culture war over every little thing and so don't mind bulldozing in holocaust level policies They started by signaling for an aquatic Babi Yar via autocannon at the hands of HMCG but that got shut down quickly, so now they're straight to mass resettlement to overseas camps where they reasonably know that the guards will rob people naked and dump them in the Nyungwe to fend for themselves. But nobody in the UK directly instructed those guards to do that so I guess on paper it's fine. gently caress. JoylessJester posted:The idea of establishing 'reception centres' in third countries, was first suggested by Tony Blair in 2003, his ilk now control the party.
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imagining a country not based around punishment, cruelty, and a gleeful refusal of the slightest amount of empathy for anyone remotely different to you in any way
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Sorry, we spent all the imagining money on outsourcing atrocities so all we can afford is Seth MacFarlane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwOf11Y5Iks
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WhatEvil posted:I get what somebody was saying earlier about "We should object to this because it's fascism, not because it's expensive" but also: The cost will probably be labeled as an international development expense and deducted from foreign aid budget. in those same people's minds, it's a budget neutral reform
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kingturnip posted:Which isn't to say that someone decent will get enough support to run against Keith, but I do believe there are enough decent MPs still inside Labour that Wes Streeting wouldn't get a clear run at the leadership. *
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WhatEvil posted:I get what somebody was saying earlier about "We should object to this because it's fascism, not because it's expensive" but also: You'll end up arguing for a more cost effective Concentration camp with this line of thinking. Don't abandon morality for this dry shite.
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https://twitter.com/lucyallan/status/1514701465994027022 Yeah, The Left™, knock it off!  Weirdly, this person's twatter profile doesn't mention her party.
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In other news, our landlord has decided to chuck us out, "us" including a 6 month old baby, notionally because there's a bunch of work that needs doing but very clearly actually because she thinks she can jack the rent up a lot more. Just lmao if she thinks we're gonna make this easy for her, she's already too late to serve valid notice in time for the end of the fixed term. We're gonna move out in our own time, really dragging our heels dealing with the agent & making her sweat that we'll just refuse to leave (& good luck persuading a court to make a baby homeless, even after the ridiculous delays getting in front of a judge in the first place), then serve our own notice at the last possible second when we've got a new place. & then sue her for not doing the maintenance in the first loving place, well over a year ago now.
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Borrovan posted:We're gonna move out in our own time [...] then sue her for not doing the maintenance in the first loving place, well over a year ago now. This'll be very satisfying, just keep your nerve as you execute the plan, and enjoy the process. You're in the right, but landlording is immoral so you'd be in the right anyway.
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Tesseraction posted:I'm still voting Labour even if they're eminently poo poo. It's either them stagnating us in poo poo, the Tories making things worse, or civil war. And I'm too old and fat for civil war. Civil unrest will be It's all rocks and molotovs until someone pulls out a Javelin and bullseyes Lord Nelson.
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JoylessJester posted:The idea of establishing 'reception centres' in third countries, was first suggested by Tony Blair in 2003, his ilk now control the party. Got a receipt for that?
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sebzilla posted:Got a receipt for that? https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/blair-call-asylum-zones-3848294 quote:Prime Minister Tony Blair was seeking European Union backing today to set up "zones of protection" to vet asylum seekers before they enter Europe.
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Jeherrin posted:MUH HATING BILLS
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I only just found out that the refugee plan is actually worse than it's been sold to people. Essentially everyone arriving by boat is to be shipped to Rwanda for 'processing'. If they do have a successful asylum claim then they can only make it in Rwanda, christ knows what happens if their claim is unsuccessful? Perhaps those people could be sold on to the slavers in Eritrea for a bonus profit. Absolutely no details on who is sent. Just young men? Are families being broken up or shipped out wholesale? Rwanda is also not a safe country for LGBT people so good luck if your asylum claim is based on persecution for your sexuality. It's absolutely abhorrent.
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On the other hand the UK had to accept 100% of asylum claims from Rwanda, so maybe there's a loophole in "some cunts sent me to Rwanda" that will help people get asylum granted. The whole thing is just such a blatant shower of shite.
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In fairness to the demon Blair and the EU that idea was to set up centres where people could go and apply for asylum in the first place without resorting to people traffickers to smuggle them in and not to ship off people who have already arrived here.
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How many Christian Democrats in the late 30s do you think were saying "Shipping them to Madagascar is impractical and expensive"?
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Gonzo McFee posted:You'll end up arguing for a more cost effective Concentration camp with this line of thinking. Don't abandon morality for this dry shite. This was, in fact, exactly what happened when the Australian opposition tried advancing this line of argument!
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loving useless lib cunts https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1514881128028590080?t=NA2uBMWBK9CMOe2zzNGIlA
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goddamnedtwisto posted:How many Christian Democrats in the late 30s do you think were saying "Shipping them to Madagascar is impractical and expensive"? Back then they would have simply invoiced the displaced, making the project zero cost. I mean they're Jews right so they'd have plenty of money to pay for it
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keep punching joe posted:Are families being broken up or shipped out wholesale? I saw some confirmation that children and if accompanied then their parent(s?) wouldn't be sent to Rwanda, but anyone else is fair game.
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I can't help but feel this is gonna be u-turned and its all a way to distract from party gate. But that might be just my wishful thinking.
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The best case scenario is that it gets u-turned after £20bn has been sent to a limited company called 'Rwanda' registered in Ashford 3 months ago.
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Guavanaut posted:The best case scenario is that it gets u-turned after £20bn has been sent to a limited company called 'Rwanda' registered in Ashford 3 months ago. Special Capabilities in African Migration (Limited).
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Mega Comrade posted:I can't help but feel this is gonna be u-turned and its all a way to distract from party gate. It's reliant on the Borders Act going through parliament at the moment, and even then it's likely to get snarled up in the courts for a long time the second someone tries to deport someone.
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Has anyone read the leadership book "leaders eat last"? I've been given it to read for work and I'm really struggling to get through it. The first chapter goes on about how awesome the Marines are... the second chapter has an anecdotal story about gunning down the taliban with an A-10 in Afghanistan. Is this just to get lovely chuddy managers to read it? I'm told it gets better and I mean the third chapter is "Employees are people too!" but it's like... fucksake. I've just finished a podcast on Henry Kissinger and Nixon and all the poo poo they got up to over the years and I really can't stomach any "hoorah America" right now.
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Mebh posted:Has anyone read the leadership book "leaders eat last"? I've been given it to read for work and I'm really struggling to get through it. The first chapter goes on about how awesome the Marines are... the second chapter has an anecdotal story about gunning down the taliban with an A-10 in Afghanistan. That sounds rancid, why are you reading it?
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Mebh posted:Has anyone read the leadership book "leaders eat last"? I've been given it to read for work and I'm really struggling to get through it. The first chapter goes on about how awesome the Marines are... the second chapter has an anecdotal story about gunning down the taliban with an A-10 in Afghanistan. Is the title drawing a comparison between middle managers and the supposed behaviour of wolves/lions/some other romanticised apex predator? If so you could already tell it was bullshit right there.
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