NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

There are only two memorable ladders in video games. The first is in F.E.A.R. when your climbing down the ladders and the ghost girl does a jumps scare. The second is in Return to Castle Wolfenstein when your at the airbase and paratroopers are dropping in on the big scaffold thing and if you try to climb down a ladder at a slightly wrong angle you fall the whole way and die.

Thoatse posted:

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Ability to 'modify' the attitude of the NPC shop attendants posted:

I grow increasingly aggravated at the lack of respect by the NPC shopkeepers.. YES, it IS your job to replace items on the shelf, YES you are paid to stand here. If I am patronizing your shop, I don't need to hear you whining.

Perhaps the ability to engage in smacking the attendant around a little (as we were able to briefly in Grim Hex that one wonderful patch).
However, obviously, that would result in some criminal proceedings, but it should also result in a variable change in behavior towards the customer. (Everything from abject terror, to actually being POLITE)

Just a suggestion.

no_recall posted:

Somebody, please tag the beginning as Idris Concept $1 per ship.

After it comes out of the Microwave Idris, $1000.

tane

Lammasu posted:

What about Metal Gear Solid 3?

Been watching from the sidelines posted:

I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger and buying a starter pack just to see the amazing looking universe first hand and fly around a bit.

But I'm confused about where all the hate for SC is coming from. I get that people are saying the game has been in development for a long time, or Chris Roberts is [fill in the blank], or whatever. It's all over any gaming website. People say there is no game and it's vaporware and all that.

In the last couple of days, I've been watching these beginners' guides, and it looks like there is a lot to do for $45 if you want to buy in and fly around a sandbox. I get that it's not finished yet and has a long way to go, but what is there right now looks substantial and interesting and the community seems to be dedicated and having fun.

What am I missing? Why is there so much hate in the games press? If people don't like it, they don't have to spend $45 to play what's there and whatever comes out in the future. Right? It's that simple?

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I don't think there one single reason you can point to for being the reason of the hate.

Between the

1. "It's cool to hate" trend we have nowadays (not just for gaming),
   
2. The long time development (a lot of it is CIG fault too, let's not white knight everything here),
   
3. The current state of the game. It's alpha sure, but it feels that for a "game" that can already be played, devs could put in more time fixing the player experience. This could be a whole discussion on it's own, since more polishing during active development can mean even longer time to develop, so I think it's a matter of personal preference between the "wait longer but have a good experience in the meantime", or "release soon, despite of the state of the alpha we've playing for years" topics. But still, if there's one reason to hate, like in point 1 (the "trend"), a lot of people will latch onto that reason.
   
4. The 1000$ priced ships (optional... true, you can get almost everything in the game with just a 45$ package and grind time, but people can only fixate on the "There's a 1000$ priced ship, and that's bad!" theme)
   
5. And the several controversial events that happened over the years (lawsuits, ever changing release dates, roadmap to roadmap, "development delays are the community's fault" roadmap update, 500 Million $ and no game yet)
   
6. (This is not SC related, but I think it's worth being mentioned) The fact that a lot, and I mean a LOT of AAA games for the last 10 years or so have been so disappointing that the current general mentality of the gaming community is more like "The game is bad until you prove it's good" (which is a questionable and subjective topic in SC, as it completely relies on your personal opinion on whether you can play the game even with all the bugs or not)

And probably a few other reasons I'm not even remembering now, it's sort of understandable why people sort of hate this project.


As for me, I use this simple metric:

AAA studios have access to BILLIONS of dollars and have teams of thousands skilled and experienced developers.

We could've already have a SC 10 years ago if they just decided to do it. But instead they choose not only keep recycling their worn out franchises, but making them progressively worse with each new release, and with even more cash grab schemes.

CIG at least had the balls to try and make the biggest and most complex game in history even without private funding.

So despite all their bad decisions and even current state of the game, I'll keep supporting the project the best I can. This can fail, I know that, but if it doesn't, not only it'll be the greatest game ever, but it'll show the world that gaming can be more than just "run around... press E to interact" (simple and stupid example, but I think you get the point).


Cheers

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The hate is mainly there to draw clicks. Star Citizen is a big deal, it's news, and blogs and magazines make money off of writing about it. A lot of these media outlets are subject to payola, but CI is probably not dishing out cash to get good reviews posted. So the default is going to be negative.

There is also probably some money floating around in maintaining FUD around Star Citizen. It is truly alarming to some folks to see a crowd-funded game that is worth so much money. There is no way to just drop a million dollars on it and take some control over the project.

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I personally think that the hate is manufactured. Anyone who self publishes, particularly if they are insanely successful, is not financially beholden to a publisher. This irritates the large publishing houses because it breaks their financial model. Given that there are about 4 or 5 (off the top of my head) large game publishers they do not want to see a successful indie AAA game, because other people might try to bypass their financial model (i.e. not borrow from the publisher to write their game and let the publisher make bank from the sales of the game).

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"Officially" the story goes that the core haters are mostly composed of bitter goons, angry that the game isin't more like EVE and Elite fanboys who see Star Citizen as competition.

The unoficial one is much more interesting and it's roots come from ORG rivalry between GoonSwarm and another big Org. What goes around is that it was a deep cover from a rival ORG who planted the idea of refunds as a way to undermine the Goons ORG increasing fleet power and player numbers.

A FUD before the FUD if you will.

Somehow the deep cover got close with Blinky/Bootcha and Beer (main Goon Org guys) and managed to convince them that the project was collapsing in a year.

That proppeled the refunding gospel to the rest of the goon fleet and subsequential selling of full accounts with capital ships and such diminishing their power.

A lot of the goon fleet got sold at a loss in the grey and black market, bought by who else than the rival ORG guys who reinforced their fleet while Goon were left with scraps.

They eventually put one and two toguether and with a bruised ego have made eveything in their power to bring the game down.

That's why Derek got into this. He was used to lure minions outside of goonfleet but eventualy he was rendered obsolete because he caused more harm than good.

Now the high tops that still care operate mostly in the shadows using clone accounts to rally the few sheep that still follow them as a way to make noise.

Deep down they've accepted that Star Citizen has gained enough playability to be brought down by FUD and only do it as a way to ease the pain of knowing they got played at their own game.

That's the core reason for goon hate for SC.

Financial loss and Bruised Ego.

Mirificus posted:

Now the high tops that still care operate mostly in the shadows using clone accounts to rally the few sheep that still follow them as a way to make noise.

The Titanic posted:

This.

Yeah but I lived in the era of cowboy devs like Romero and Sid Meyers Pirates! and I'd read about the wild parties Garriott had in his real life castle with secret passages and as an ignorant kid, I actually believed that he believed in stuff like the virtues he sold in his game and that he was literally the nicest human being ever to live.

Fast forward to me as a more seasoned, bitter-er adult realizing my idol was not genuine and now I feel like he's just scamming people left and right.

The age of "hero devs" is over I think, and I'm glad it is. Screw them and their greedy ways. Once Chris and Garriott and all of them age out and retire from trying to con people, I hope nobody else steps up.

The Titanic posted:

Super disappointed that I used to admire Garriott as a girl. His inspiration to help me become a programmer is junk.

Thoatse posted:

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Mirificus posted:

Beet Wagon posted:

Oh neat I love it when they write new lore about us.

Also I just want to put it on record that if there is someone out there paying people to make fun of SC I haven't been getting my cut.

TheDarkFlame posted:

Probably the best outcome they could hope for at this point.

The Titanic posted:

Super disappointed that I used to admire Garriott as a girl. His inspiration to help me become a programmer is junk.

This is why I'm just going to make porn games and art now. I'll have to make up for believing he was a nice guy.

TheDarkFlame posted:

What baffles me about that is, we've already seen the potential best outcomes of what Star Citizen could have been. They could have been No Man's Sky, as an open world space game which was criticised for lying to players when on launch it was missing a ton of features and content. They then over time introduced those features into the basic game they had, developed further to iterate on what they already had, and over years they redeemed themselves and made something they could be proud of. This is about as close to being the idealised space sim as CIG cloud ever get, had they done it properly.

Or you know, they could have been Cyberpunk 2077, an ambitious and immersive single player experience that waa hit by delay after delay and culminated in something so completely and inarguably half-baked that they basically told customers to get refunds. Many of their systems were broken or outright missing, and they needed some significant patches just to get to a basic level of functionality. In its favour some people really enjoyed it when the game was eventually playable, but it'll never be everything it was hyped to be. CIG could have arrived at this years ago if they'd stopped trying to beat Cryengine into a MMO spaceflight engine, and got some ghostwriters to un-Roberts the script.

Or hell they could have been Duke Nukem Forever, getting delayed and reworked and delayed until it quietly goes away, to become a perpetual joke about development hell. Eventually it got picked up and rebuilt by another developer looking for some quick publicity. It was half-arsed, which was fine because nobody really cared and all that people remember is the years of wasted time and effort. You know what, actually it still could be Duke Nukem Forever. Probably the best outcome they could hope for at this point.

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Fidelitious posted:

Yeah, I agree that that age is and should be over with. Like you said there was that weird period where it was a thing to put the "auteur's" name on the game and marketing: Sid Meier, American McGee, Peter Molyneux, John Romero, and so forth. And it was always a lie, even in the 90s and 2000s these games had big teams of people.
It went to the heads of some of these guys for sure and they started to think they actually were the geniuses that the marketing portrayed them as. And now a huge number of them have degraded into complete failures. It's kind of incredible what the failure rate is on these modern ventures by old names.

The Titanic posted:

Super disappointed that I used to admire Garriott as a girl. His inspiration to help me become a programmer is junk.

This is why I'm just going to make porn games and art now. I'll have to make up for believing he was a nice guy.

Popete posted:

I do wonder if the downfall of Star Citizen won't be that they failed to make a game but that people interested in continuing to throwing money at it will have just moved on to NFT MMO scams. A lot of these scam MMOs have the same premise behind them that it will be a huge living universe where you can do and be anything which is kind of SCs bread and butter.

JugbandDude posted:

Garriott may not be a nasty grifter, he is just deluded about the state of SotA, as well as believing he can make a difference in the MMO/NFT space.

Sammus posted:

As far as I’m concerned, metal gear solid 3 has the only memorable ladder in video gaming.

You can’t climb a tall or excessively tall ladder in Elden Ring without finding finding messages about Snakes at the top.

slagmatic posted:

The best outcome for the developers is to continuously churn pledges, keep the noisy heretics quiet so they don't disturb the new marks, and continue the grift indefinitely. It's worked out great for them in that regard.

JugbandDude posted:

Let's rub!

Bofast posted:

Store Citizen: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 27 times, how much is an Idris again?

Plan R posted:

Meanwhile, I have my new 3d card and I am delighting in playing older games like Alien: Isolation; smooth as an azure sky of deepest summer!

A masterpiece that none of these ignorant, servile scum could ever hope to achieve.

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