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I keep thinking about how the Ukrainians on Snake Island who told the Moskva to go gently caress itself were reported to have died, but are actually alive, and Moskva and at least some of its crew are now dead. Seems emblematic of this entire clusterfuck.
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Generation Internet posted:I keep thinking about how the Ukrainians on Snake Island who told the Moskva to go gently caress itself were reported to have died, but are actually alive, and Moskva and at least some of its crew are now dead. If the Russians are to be believed then at least the crew took those orders to heart.
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Apr 15, 2022 05:35
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Generation Internet posted:I keep thinking about how the Ukrainians on Snake Island who told the Moskva to go gently caress itself were reported to have died, but are actually alive, and Moskva and at least some of its crew are now dead. tu fui ego eris; what i was, you will be
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Apr 15, 2022 05:35
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:My dad got to tour Moskva's sistership Marshal Ustinov when she visited Norfolk in '89 and he was a junior office at CINCLANT. His comment to me tonight was that she was a "piece of crap." I've probably told this in GIP before, but: the second big Soviet ship visit was in 1990 to San Diego, and I got to go on the ships. Dad was a CW04 and knew some folks, got us two tickets, I had dreams of trading a Top Gun cap or something for a piece of Soviet Navy uniform but I realized quickly that their barter system was way too rich for my 15 year old rear end. Anyway, they were the destroyers Adm. Vinogradov (still technically in service) and Boyevoy (much older, now scrap), and an oiler. My father was speechless at the poor quality of everything on board; welds, line-handling, etc. We left early, I thought he was mad, but he was actually excited- we went three berths over to where his ship was (I can't remember if it was the Acadia or the Cape Cod, he did tours on both around the same time and they were the same class). He told everyone in the repair division to knock off from work and head over to the Soviet ships (the tickets had been originally treated like they were some VIP thing, but nobody even bothered taking our tickets so anyone who wanted to try could get on board). He told them their assignment for the rest of the day was to crawl over every bit of those ships they could and inspect the handiwork. All the sailors onboard apparently spent the whole next week at work laughing and comparing notes about the terrible welds, fits, and monkeyshit (sealant) that was every where on board. It was a huge morale boost to the ship. My sharpest memory is wondering exactly how in the gently caress the radar set (or at least the CRT monitor part of it) on a Soviet destroyer was made by Magnavox.
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Apr 15, 2022 05:37
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Taerkar posted:Well there was also Warspite going ham on a bunch of KM destroyers. The whole operation was a big clusterfuck for both navies to different extents. Lol oh nice I think I read a misguided theory that losing ten destroyers pushed the needle against Sealion as without those it had no hope of success BIG HEADLINE posted:I was eight when that happened and remember their monitored trip to Lynnhaven Mall. They went fuckin' *apeshit* for Chick-Fil-A because they gave out free samples in those days. I remember reading about Soviet dignitaries visiting a supermarket and getting annoyed at the obvious Potemkin village that had plenty of premium meat anyone could buy, variety of brands, and the large parking lot indicating vehicle ownership was common.
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Apr 15, 2022 06:24
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I remember reading about Soviet dignitaries visiting a supermarket and getting annoyed at the obvious Potemkin village that had plenty of premium meat anyone could buy, variety of brands, and the large parking lot indicating vehicle ownership was common. IIRC Yeltsin himself said he knew that  had lost the Cold War when he realized the supermarket he visited wasn't a setup and the average American really could choose from five or six different kinds of frozen vegetables.
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Apr 15, 2022 06:57
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Mozi posted:A Turkish ship was reported as picking up 50+... Are civilian vessels obligated to pick up combatants during war?
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Apr 15, 2022 07:09
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psydude posted:Are civilian vessels obligated to pick up combatants during war? I’m not 100% on this, but I think under international maritime law- Yeah, they are. Could be wrong though, I was an Airman, not a Seaman.
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Apr 15, 2022 07:15
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:The Wikipedia app for iOS and Android is pretty good. Check it out- it’s free, and there are no ads. Thanks!
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Apr 15, 2022 07:23
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Thanks! If you press the Tt button at the bottom you can change it to a black background with white text so you can do like I do and read random rear end Wikipedia articles in bed without disturbing your wife who makes way more money than you. (Ok, that last bit was about me, but the dark mode is a nice feature.) Are you an apple or Android man? I’m apple myself, bought into the ecosystem with the first iPhone, haven’t looked back since. Had a government owned Android phone for official duties there for a while- it was ok, I just really like the way iOS and iPhones “just work” ya know?
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Apr 15, 2022 07:31
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:IIRC Yeltsin himself said he knew that Weirdly enough, that was the exact grocery store my family would shop at then. We had moved nearby just a few months prior (obviously we were not there the day Yeltsin visited).
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Apr 15, 2022 07:40
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Apr 15, 2022 09:33
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PookBear posted:iirc Ireland had a lot of british pilots prisoner during ww2 because they were too dumb to figure out which island they were from Bud himself was from Nebraska, one of a number of Americans who had volunteered to take up Britain's cause. Since the US was not yet at war with Germany when the men volunteered, the American government stripped Wolfe and others of their citizenship. These pilots were a mix of idealists and thrill seekers. im curious did they re-instate it?
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Apr 15, 2022 11:53
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psydude posted:Are civilian vessels obligated to pick up combatants during war? It’s not a law-law, depending on jurisdictions and such, but generally you have a duty to do everything you can to assist unless you’re putting yourself in danger. That being said merchant ships are woefully ill equipped to rescue people from the water.
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Apr 15, 2022 12:27
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Lol oh nice I think I read a misguided theory that losing ten destroyers pushed the needle against Sealion as without those it had no hope of success Sealion had no hope of success.
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Apr 15, 2022 12:51
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Murgos posted:Sealion had no hope of success. Yeah, it's one of those things where it's totally understandable that at the time the British were convinced it was imminent and that it could work, but we now know it had zero chance (having half the German Navy underwater or under repair after the Norwegian campaign was just one of the reasons).
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Apr 15, 2022 13:02
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All the Rhine barges would've sunk in even the most calm seas.
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Apr 15, 2022 13:39
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FrozenVent posted:It’s not a law-law, depending on jurisdictions and such, but generally you have a duty to do everything you can to assist unless you’re putting yourself in danger. Also the whole thing about Russian warships shooting at neutral shipping.
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Apr 15, 2022 14:46
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Crab Dad posted:Also the whole thing about Russian warships shooting at neutral shipping. Yeah that's kind of the angle I was getting at...
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Apr 15, 2022 15:18
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Alan Smithee posted:Bud himself was from Nebraska, one of a number of Americans who had volunteered to take up Britain's cause. Since the US was not yet at war with Germany when the men volunteered, the American government stripped Wolfe and others of their citizenship. These pilots were a mix of idealists and thrill seekers. Well I know after a case in the 1950s involving Americans fighting for Israel, a USC case said, they couldn’t do that. No clue if they got it back though in this case.
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Apr 15, 2022 15:28
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Ukraine is claiming the captain of the Moskva was killed in the strike. https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f08a3f8f35eba9d Which is completely false, because as we all know the crew safely abandoned ship before putting out the fire themselves.
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Apr 15, 2022 16:06
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I was wondering (based on the topic of training Ukrainians in the US) what people here, who have done cross training, felt the best nations were and who were the worst?
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Apr 15, 2022 16:26
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Alan Smithee posted:Bud himself was from Nebraska, one of a number of Americans who had volunteered to take up Britain's cause. Since the US was not yet at war with Germany when the men volunteered, the American government stripped Wolfe and others of their citizenship. These pilots were a mix of idealists and thrill seekers. Later in the article it states that he was released by Ireland in 1943 and ended up flying missions for the USAAF, so yeah, it was reinstated. IIRC, it was mostly done when the US was neutral as a way to avoid any awkward "So your citizens are actively fighting against us, and yet you're neutral. Curious!" conversations with Germany since the US was practicing armed neutrality and FDR was trying to avoid giving the isolationists ammo against him. Once war was declared, that pretty much flew out the window and most if not all American's who had their citizenships revoked because they took up arms with the British against Nazi Germany had their citizenship returned to them. Handsome Ralph fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Apr 15, 2022 16:34
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I was wondering (based on the topic of training Ukrainians in the US) what people here, who have done cross training, felt the best nations were and who were the worst? JMSDF ships I encountered were immaculate. I cannot say to how the lives of the sailors compare, but their equipment was in drat good shape and everything was clean af.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:05
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/15/ukraine-facial-recognition-warfare/ Seems not tight!
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Apr 15, 2022 17:08
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Mr. Nice! posted:JMSDF ships I encountered were immaculate. I cannot say to how the lives of the sailors compare, but their equipment was in drat good shape and everything was clean af. Yeah same with JGSDF. Man for man they were disciplined and well trained. Their equipment wasn’t as good as ours but they were very professional. Australian Army was pretty effective too. They struggle to break down into small units like we do though. Their platoon and squad structure didn’t support breaking down to the fireteam level which led to some differences in how we conducted training. Hekk fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Apr 15, 2022 17:09
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maffew buildings posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/15/ukraine-facial-recognition-warfare/ If the Russians won’t do it, they’re the next in line (more or less).
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Apr 15, 2022 17:10
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Hekk posted:Yeah same with JGSDF. Man for man they were disciplined and well trained. Their equipment wasn’t as good as ours but they were very professional. Interesting, I have definitely heard the gear being in good and clean condition, apparently the flight crews were horrified when a US F4 had to land and the use pilot was kicking something to fix it.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:11
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psydude posted:Ukraine is claiming the captain of the Moskva was killed in the strike. Before sinking in a storm which is justification for declaring war against Ukraine.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:12
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I was wondering (based on the topic of training Ukrainians in the US) what people here, who have done cross training, felt the best nations were and who were the worst? Poles are legit af and Estonians punch way above their weight. Saudis are not great.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:14
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Interesting, I have definitely heard the gear being in good and clean condition, apparently the flight crews were horrified when a US F4 had to land and the use pilot was kicking something to fix it. Their equipment was in great condition. It just wasn’t as good as what were were using. Their combat rubber raiding craft (CRRC) equivalent (think they were using Zodiacs) didn’t have the range or speed as our boats so we had to adjust timelines to accommodate decreased range and longer movement time for raids.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:14
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Every Bulgarian I met in uniform were giant jacked motherfucker who just angrily lift weights at all hours. No way they test for steroids, because the one PKM gunner who looked like he could flip a Passat was juiced as hell.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:21
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I was wondering (based on the topic of training Ukrainians in the US) what people here, who have done cross training, felt the best nations were and who were the worst? The best I ever worked with were the Aussies, the Brits, and the Thais. Koreans and the Norwegians were very good. Worst? Probably Zaire (I was part of a Mobile Training Team). They were absolute poo poo.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:34
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I was wondering (based on the topic of training Ukrainians in the US) what people here, who have done cross training, felt the best nations were and who were the worst? The Brits were always professional, same with they Aussies. Bulgaria was already mentioned, I would add Moldova, Lithuania, and Estonia to that list. I've found that many from eastern Europe seem to want to "prove" themselves. As a result, I believe they either only sending their best of the best or they are taking training very seriously.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:45
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maffew buildings posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/15/ukraine-facial-recognition-warfare/ Lol you think Russia is going to do anything about it? Rubles to borscht they gonna declare MIA/joined Ukraine to avoid paying out death benefits.
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Oh poo poo. Moldovan EOD were loving terrifying. They knew one formula- "P=Plenty". They once blew up 40lbs of C4 in a ditch so they didn't have to return it. They launched a ZU-23 barrel over 500 meters like a loving spear. Also, not so good at English. Or radios. Really good at using lots of explosives.
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Apr 15, 2022 18:10
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bulletsponge13 posted:They once blew up 40lbs of C4 in a ditch so they didn't have to return it. Can you blame them?
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Apr 15, 2022 18:14
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bulletsponge13 posted:Oh poo poo. lmao this rules
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Apr 15, 2022 18:18
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bulletsponge13 posted:Oh poo poo. I see the benefits of cross training with America.
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I loved working with them, because it was always cheap entertainment. "How long until detonation?" "Eh?" "How long until det?" "30." ::17 seconds later:: ---Fla-Boom--- "Good." Lights cheap cigarette, walks away. All of us sitting there, getting pelted with debris from random thing they decided to blow up. As they do the 'Cool Guys Don't Look At Explosions' thing. My TC, a straight laced MP on IRR recall, loving hated them.
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