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When Jean-Luc first opened that book and saw the labyrinth, I thought it was a picture of a brain and a clue that his mom had the same syndrome and that was going to cause a Character Moment to happen, but nah
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I honestly thought at first that the mom flashbacks were just going to be another Sir Patrick as EP flourish, because his father was violent and he does charity work (iirc) for an English group that works to help survivors of domestic violence. I haven't watched episode 4 yet but it sounds like I might actually have been wrong on that prediction based on the thread.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:12
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CPColin posted:When Jean-Luc first opened that book and saw the labyrinth, I thought it was a picture of a brain and a clue that his mom had the same syndrome and that was going to cause a Character Moment to happen, but nah I don’t think we actually got an explanation of what that thing was, did we? It was the star, the glow ball, and in the book.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:14
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Ramadu posted:Is anything gonna happen in this fuckin show? I was in on it for the first 4 episodes but it feels like the last 3 have just been setup for the next 3. At this point I'm not even certain that they will fix the timeline and the finale won't just be see you next season for a conclusion suckers and yes, Raffi is by far the worst character on the show and I don't even really like Elnor
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Apr 15, 2022 17:15
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It is very on-brand for this show to write the bizarre genie bottle summon thing and and then have characters react in shock when it doesn't work. Like the whole concept could have been dropped and the net result of the scene, plot-wise, would be the same. I assume it'll come up again and work, but this is very typical of the overall chunky storytelling and agonizing pacing of this series, unfortunately.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:16
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Professor Beetus posted:I honestly thought at first that the mom flashbacks were just going to be another Sir Patrick as EP flourish, because his father was violent and he does charity work (iirc) for an English group that works to help survivors of domestic violence. I haven't watched episode 4 yet but it sounds like I might actually have been wrong on that prediction based on the thread. It still could be. Stewart knew that his father was abusive but it wasn't until years later that he realized that his father was also a victim of a system that sent him to war and never gave him the tools to deal with what he experienced.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:16
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Speaking of Raffi, I just want her and Seven to realize their fake relationship is actually how they really feel, and their talk of growing old together and sitting on park benches harassing "youths" is their perfect life and they should get married. Honestly, they only good Raffi stuff this season are her little asides with Seven. And speaking of Seven, I'm surprised there hasn't been anything from her on not having her borg implants. Like, she went to do something she normally could (like inject some nanoprobe into some computer to "talk" to it) and not be able to. Or some of her "borg memory" slowly slips away or what have you. Just weird that other than that first scene of her waking up in the "bad" future and touching her face, there's been no mention of it.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:18
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I really don't like the Seven/Raffi thing at all, but I'm also of the opinion that this isn't really 'Seven' and it's just Jeri Ryan playing a different character
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Apr 15, 2022 17:20
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not buying their relationship for even a second lol, forciestest poo poo between two people w/ no chemistry. i'd believe seven dating neelix sight unseen over lovely mom
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Apr 15, 2022 17:20
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DrBouvenstein posted:Speaking of Raffi, I just want her and Seven to realize their fake relationship is actually how they really feel, and their talk of growing old together and sitting on park benches harassing "youths" is their perfect life and they should get married. Raffi had a scene talking about it two episodes ago, which touched on a bunch of other scenes where she was noticing Seven being more confident and free.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:23
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Minidust posted:It is very on-brand for this show to write the bizarre genie bottle summon thing and and then have characters react in shock when it doesn't work. Like the whole concept could have been dropped and the net result of the scene, plot-wise, would be the same. I assume it'll come up again and work, but this is very typical of the overall chunky storytelling and agonizing pacing of this series, unfortunately. Guinan: It didn't work?! Arrested Development Narrator: It did. *smash cut to depowered Q sitting on a bus*
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Professor Beetus posted:I honestly thought at first that the mom flashbacks were just going to be another Sir Patrick as EP flourish, because his father was violent and he does charity work (iirc) for an English group that works to help survivors of domestic violence. I haven't watched episode 4 yet but it sounds like I might actually have been wrong on that prediction based on the thread. Yeah I instantly thought they were doing that and it's good they aren't. e: I don't understand why Picard cares about Raffi at all. I get plenty of reasons why he could care, but season 1 cast gathering was literally "I need a bunch of emotionally damaged fuckups looking for redemption because I'm going on a suicide mission" and obviously none of that has transferred onto season 2. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Apr 15, 2022 17:26
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Guinan: It didn't work?! Lol that is exactly what I thought. I half expect him to show up to the empty bar next episode
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Apr 15, 2022 17:27
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Typical Pubbie posted:It's too simple for Picard's mother to be mentally ill and refuse treatment. Someone stopped her from getting help, or she didn't need help in the first place and was abused. Well, you saw how in the episode they were like "Here, we're finally going to explain something!" only to right at the end say "Oh, wait, there's more to this story - There's 'another door' - bet you can't wait for that! Tune in next week and maybe we'll obliquely tease it and yet still not answer it!" Personally, I don't find that compelling, I just find that tedius.
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Apr 15, 2022 17:59
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Lol that is exactly what I thought. Q is going to appear, but be trapped in the bottle. Then he's going to go, "Phenomenal cosmic power! Itty-bitty living space." and wink at the camera for the next 24 minutes, which is how long the episode will be.
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Apr 15, 2022 18:28
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CPColin posted:Q is going to appear, but be trapped in the bottle. 
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Apr 15, 2022 18:35
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Minidust posted:It is very on-brand for this show to write the bizarre genie bottle summon thing and and then have characters react in shock when it doesn't work. Like the whole concept could have been dropped and the net result of the scene, plot-wise, would be the same. . This is the weirdest way I've ever heard someone describe storytelling.
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Apr 15, 2022 18:45
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Raffi going from "You all loving suck and never cared about Elnor like I did" to "ugh im going to quit this thing because Rios and Juratti kissed" was some fun tonal whiplash. Did you even read the other scripts people?
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Apr 15, 2022 18:54
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Typical Pubbie posted:It's too simple for Picard's mother to be mentally ill and refuse treatment. Someone stopped her from getting help, or she didn't need help in the first place and was abused. Could have been either or a combination. It just seems odd the way the writers dealt with it considering the greater context of Trek, especially considering other examples in Trek and history where people with mental illnesses* are mistreated or forced into treatment against their will. *not always illnesses but just being different than the majority is classified as an illness or problem like with the super soldiers exiled to a lunar prison or the androgynous aliens enforcing mental reeducation to anyone who chooses a gender (this paralleling trans issues). apatheticman posted:Raffi going from "You all loving suck and never cared about Elnor like I did" to "ugh im going to quit this thing because Rios and Juratti kissed" was some fun tonal whiplash. Other writers on the show, sure.
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Apr 15, 2022 19:17
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Raffi had a scene talking about it two episodes ago, which touched on a bunch of other scenes where she was noticing Seven being more confident and free. That is stupid because if there was one thing Seven never lacked, it was confidence. She was one of the most self assured people on Voyager! Her confidence could be shaken, but she always started out that way.
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Apr 15, 2022 19:18
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apatheticman posted:Raffi going from "You all loving suck and never cared about Elnor like I did" to "ugh im going to quit this thing because Rios and Juratti kissed" was some fun tonal whiplash. I really don’t think it counts as “tonal whiplash” if there’s been five whole episodes between the two scenes you mention.
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Apr 15, 2022 19:27
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CPColin posted:When Jean-Luc first opened that book and saw the labyrinth, I thought it was a picture of a brain and a clue that his mom had the same syndrome and that was going to cause a Character Moment to happen, but nah I noticed that too and thought it was meant to be a brain tumor. It could still be that it turns out her mental problems stem from that, but that would work even worse since there should be an easy cure for cancer. Lister fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Apr 15, 2022 19:49
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ashpanash posted:If you legitimately enjoy it, then I'm not trying to insult you. Everyone has their own tastes. But this...this is overly circuitous pablum to me. I feel at this point as if I'm only watching out of some twisted sense of obligation. Or hope. Because it has to get better...right? something something Mike Okuda If I emptyquoted this any harder it would become a black hole of frustration and ennui.
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Apr 15, 2022 19:50
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You can probably edit a single episode of good TV out of Stewart doing his one to one scenes with the good guest actors. Also lol at Picard deciding this episode 'I know writers who's characters experience growth over the course of their stories and gently caress that I refuse'. A bit meta
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Eimi posted:That is stupid because if there was one thing Seven never lacked, it was confidence. She was one of the most self assured people on Voyager! Her confidence could be shaken, but she always started out that way. I kind of half-rear end explained it by saying "confidence." More like she's basically seeing what it's like to have space white privilege and she's like "whoah, this is what it's like when people don't gawk at and get scared of your face all the time, it rules!"
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Apr 15, 2022 20:49
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I really don’t think it counts as “tonal whiplash” if there’s been five whole episodes between the two scenes you mention. "Wait a minute, Luke Skywalker was sad over his family's death JUST TWO ACTS AGO, but now he's having a lighthearted moment? Ow, my loving neck!"
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Apr 15, 2022 20:56
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Also Raffi’s whole thing is her being a bit off emotionally. It felt fine for her to be careening between grief and gossip because I know people like that in real life.
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Apr 15, 2022 21:01
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I really don’t think it counts as “tonal whiplash” if there’s been five whole episodes between the two scenes you mention. That account for, uh, two days, three tops? I know Gene wanted grief to be a thing that 24th century people just got over immediately, but Raffi's whole deal last season was tortured grief over her choices and what happened in her past. She gets a reprieve and a temporary "new son" in ep 1 of this season, loses him and basically gave Picard the finger because she's so fed up and angry. Then at most two days later she needs to be reminded of her grief by seeing hallucinations, otherwise she's just cracking jokes and for the most part just enjoying herself. And not because they've actually accomplished anything, mind you - they've been pretty much thwarted and have had to deal with setback after setback at every turn. If it's not tonal whiplash, it's at the very least a pretty jarring tonal inconsistency. HD DAD posted:Also Raffi’s whole thing is her being a bit off emotionally. It felt fine for her to be careening between grief and gossip because I know people like that in real life. But none of that characterization of her has been established before and it doesn't track with what we've seen. If they were paying attention and this is intentional, you'd think they'd put a line in there about how 'you're dealing with this all really well' and she could be like 'it's eating me up inside but I have a mission to do' and that would be the very least they could do to make it feel less awkward on screen. ashpanash fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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It's just a show dude, they like to mix drama with bullshit so 10 hours of entertainment doesn't become a drag. EDIT: Also, people sometimes try to joke around to get their mind of of trauma, it's why entertainment exists Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Apr 15, 2022 21:10
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Drink-Mix Man posted:It's just a show dude, they like to mix drama with bullshit so 10 hours of entertainment doesn't become a drag. Well so much for that, right?
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ashpanash posted:Well so much for that, right? Well, YMMV
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Goons: “These new Treks are just nonstop misery porn”  Also goons: “why isn’t this character a constant sobbing mess that only deals with grief by curling into a ball on the floor, I can’t believe this tonal whiplash” 
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Apr 15, 2022 21:26
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It makes sense that mistaking someone else for Elnor and then acting sheepish about it would be the incident that finally stops her raging in grief at other people, because embarrassment is just that powerful
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Apr 15, 2022 21:34
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Raffi's character isn't the problem, it's the show pinballing between four different plotlines in 10 minutes. And you still have to keep what's going on with Soong in the back of your mind.
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Apr 15, 2022 21:53
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Picard is going to run over Q with a dune buggy he stole from a Bass Pro Shop, and the timeline will be saved. Jurati will also be purged of all Borg Queen nanoprobes after getting food poisoning at a Del Taco.
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Apr 15, 2022 21:56
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Gonz posted:Picard is going to run over Q with a dune buggy he stole from a Bass Pro Shop, and the timeline will be saved. "What - what is this?!" "Heh. Mass-market Mexican food." *telefarts behind you* "Nothing personnel, kid"
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Someone earlier said the Picard's are basically Luddites. His dad was a Ludditte, yeah, so it actually kind of makes unfortunate sense.
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Apr 15, 2022 22:11
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"This show moves glacially slow and there's nothing at all redeeming about it. Next week, same time?"
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Goons: How's the CBS payroll, can I get in the thread cop gig too?
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McSpanky posted:How's the CBS payroll, can I get in the thread cop gig too?  Imagine calling someone a paid shill for a TV show lol
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