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Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
i only recycle glass, aluminum, and clean cardboard, everything else goes in the trash

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IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007
Man it would be great if society was a bit more community oriented and we could organize like reusing all glass containers, recycling all metal containers, and make sure that things like plastic packaging were illegal - only paper packaging, etc... Of course this communal society would need a strong central authority that could organize everything. Has anyone ever thought of anything like this before?

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

blatman posted:

quoting this post because it owns

You could also easily sand and French polish the outside instead of waxing it. if you use the right plant resin possibly the inside instead, I haven't tried that tho.

This kinda stuff is cool imo because it somehow seems like less work than other stuff. If you wanna fart around with bees & gourds they can also give you basically free stuff for not really that much effort.

Don't plant drinking gourds near food squash if you expect to replant the seeds, they'll pollinate each other and give plants that aren't super great to eat or make utensils out of

Making ceramic seems like you have to actually know what the hell you're doing, but it will ofc last super long.


bag em and tag em posted:

I have 1000 mugs already. When everything collapses I won't need to dry out a ding dang gourd to drink out of. Now, clean, safe water to put IN my 1000 mugs is gonna be an issue.

Could do Roman style and collect rainwater off your roof into a waterproof pool. The bottom of the pool has a pipe which leads to a cistern. The pool itself has fine sand in a thick layer, then corse, and then pebbles, then gravel. Do a cement in ground pool or grouted tile or whatever.

You need to look up how to actually do this though, because if you gently caress it up it won't filter correctly. Good way to get brain worms. This same basic concept is used as a part of sewage treatment plants even today iirc.

Also if it fails to rain your hosed, if it freezes you're hosed, it won't remove actually dissolved materials like acid rain or piss or bleach or whatever, but it can remove everything above a certain size threshold which could actually be very fine, even certain germs might be removed if you use the right sand layers.

Boil that poo poo anyway.


Mayor Dave posted:

i only recycle glass, aluminum, and clean cardboard, everything else goes in the trash

Same although I've thought about melting those beer cans myself

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007
Whoa, what if you coated the inside of the gourd with molten aluminum beer cans? gently caress yeah, now we're apocolpsin'

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007
Move over bees, I've found a new source of gourd sealant

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Cloks posted:

went to the shores of lake erie today and everywhere i looked, plastic waste on the beach

:(

plastic is made from oil, which is often formed from organic matter from shallow seas. What problem do you have with plastic returning to its natural environment?

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


mediaphage posted:

my spouse is a potter and i’ve also taken classes with them. i think it’s hilarious to suggest that society may collapse to the point of not having containers but goons are suggesting that natural clay would be inappropriate because their infrastructure-powered kilns would still be working fine.

as someone who has watched every single "Primitive Technology" video(the real deal OG channel, not any of the phony pretenders) I am positive that I could make a brick kiln and use it to fire clay pots

World Famous W
May 25, 2007

BAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm sure I can fart around then starve to death

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


I would actually probably live longer if society collapsed, would probably make it to 130 at least

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
goons ambling around the wasteland with gigantic gourds at their waist, flicking their sleeves at the water beggars

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

A Bakers Cousin posted:

Lol thinking about how i didn't learn until I was like 32 that almost all recycling is a scam.

lol

I was about 25 when I met a guy who did toxic waste disposal... he used to drive a tanker around the m25 with the tap at the back dripping..
According to him, it was cheaper.

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

Karach posted:

My partner and I have both watched the Marketplace video where they go to Malaysia to track recycled plastic from Canada and they find out that most of it is just being piled up or burnt. Which means putting your plastic in the recycling bin is objectively worse than landfilling it locally or burning it. But I can't stop her from washing out every piece of plastic and putting it in the recycling bin. It's been drummed into us so hard that Good People Recycle.

thankfully not all of our plastic goes to Malaysian villages to be burnt: a bunch of it ends up in the ocean on the way

IAMKOREA posted:

Whoa, what if you coated the inside of the gourd with molten aluminum beer cans? gently caress yeah, now we're apocolpsin'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r7_SFdSdE4

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Karach posted:

My partner and I have both watched the Marketplace video where they go to Malaysia to track recycled plastic from Canada and they find out that most of it is just being piled up or burnt. Which means putting your plastic in the recycling bin is objectively worse than landfilling it locally or burning it. But I can't stop her from washing out every piece of plastic and putting it in the recycling bin. It's been drummed into us so hard that Good People Recycle.

most of my progress on this front has been from pointing out that Good People also care about water waste, and there's got to be a break-even point where it's clearly worse to waste extra potable water on rinsing than to toss the plastic thing in the trash

now it's just about her dialing in where exactly that point is located

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
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Rime has issued a correction as of 23:31 on Sep 7, 2022

Lackmaster
Mar 1, 2011

I knew, conceptually, that this was the case. But something about seeing them pour the beer out of the flaccid floppy plastic bag at the end really crack-pinged the ol’ noggin.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Lackmaster posted:

I knew, conceptually, that this was the case. But something about seeing them pour the beer out of the flaccid floppy plastic bag at the end really crack-pinged the ol’ noggin.

It's why making beer can chicken is, not recommended.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

God Hole posted:

thankfully not all of our plastic goes to Malaysian villages to be burnt: a bunch of it ends up in the ocean on the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r7_SFdSdE4

lol try telling people not to make beer can chicken

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Trainee PornStar posted:

lol

I was about 25 when I met a guy who did toxic waste disposal... he used to drive a tanker around the m25 with the tap at the back dripping..
According to him, it was cheaper.

wet down dirt roads with radioactive fracking waste fluid and they’ll even pay you to do it :shepface:

thousands and thousands of miles of it, so far

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

standing around the fire at a BBQ slurping down ice-cold condoms full of beer with my best buds

DarkLich
Feb 19, 2004

Karach posted:

My partner and I have both watched the Marketplace video where they go to Malaysia to track recycled plastic from Canada and they find out that most of it is just being piled up or burnt. Which means putting your plastic in the recycling bin is objectively worse than landfilling it locally or burning it. But I can't stop her from washing out every piece of plastic and putting it in the recycling bin. It's been drummed into us so hard that Good People Recycle.

This video was informative, thanks for sharing it. They talked a lot about Canadian recycling. Would it be prudent to see how each major city / region handles recycling?

Using an example of Seattle (which admittedly isn't the norm among US cities): https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/your-services/collection-and-disposal/recycling/recycling-process

There are some claims of their recycling portions processed locally VS same continent VS global. I presume this would be a decent guideline on where to draw the line on which materials one is recycling? IE, maybe paper doesn't make much sense to recycle, because it has to be shipped overseas.

This also assumes that the North American plastic recyclers aren't engaging in similar shady activity. But at least there's the reduced environmental cost of transporting it.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Rime posted:

I did a climate thread insider expose on the scam of plastics recycling, when I was working in plastics and plastics recycling way back like six years ago.

Crazy to think of how dire the content of these threads have gotten in the nine or so iterations since the, and goons are still discovering that plastics recycling is a lie. :(

Kind of meta but I'm really enjoying this thread over the last few weeks. Not sure if the mood changes or my last ping got cracked but just lots of great lmaos all around

Thorn Wishes Talon
Oct 18, 2014

by Fluffdaddy

Mayor Dave posted:

i only recycle glass, aluminum, and clean cardboard, everything else goes in the trash

:same:

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

Homeless Friend posted:

goons ambling around the wasteland with gigantic gourds at their waist, flicking their sleeves at the water beggars

did you have stairs in your house

kater
Nov 16, 2010

I do hope there’s a reason for beer can plastic more than cuz it helps people feel secure about crushing em.

BRJurgis
Aug 15, 2007

Well I hear the thunder roll, I feel the cold winds blowing...
But you won't find me there, 'cause I won't go back again...
While you're on smoky roads, I'll be out in the sun...
Where the trees still grow, where they count by one...

Cloks posted:

did you have stairs in your house

kyojin
Jun 15, 2005

I MASHED THE KEYS AND LOOK WHAT I MADE
Living my apocalyptic outro

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

World Famous W posted:

I'm sure I can fart around then starve to death

- humanity, upon discovering fossil fuels

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER




no

NO

:negative:

hobbez
Mar 1, 2012

Don't care. Just do not care. We win, you lose. You do though, you seem to care very much

I'm going to go ride my mountain bike, later nerds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/climate/biden-drilling-oil-leases.html

hell yeah JOEY B

hobbez has issued a correction as of 23:00 on Apr 15, 2022

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

lol you messed up the url tag so lol:

hobbez
Mar 1, 2012

Don't care. Just do not care. We win, you lose. You do though, you seem to care very much

I'm going to go ride my mountain bike, later nerds.
K FIXED IT!

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016

hobbez posted:

K FIXED IT!

Only registered members can see post attachments!

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
MY PRESIDENT

hobbez
Mar 1, 2012

Don't care. Just do not care. We win, you lose. You do though, you seem to care very much

I'm going to go ride my mountain bike, later nerds.

K

quote:

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration announced on Friday that it would resume selling leases for new oil and gas drilling on public lands, but would also raise the federal royalties that companies must pay to drill, which would be the first increase in those fees in more than a century.

The Interior Department said in a statement that it planned to open up 145,000 acres of public lands in nine states to oil and gas leasing next week, the first new fossil fuel permits to be offered on public lands since President Biden took office.

The move comes as President Biden seeks to show voters that he is working to increase the domestic oil supply as prices surge in the wake of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. But it also violates a signature campaign pledge made by Mr. Biden as he sought to assure climate activists that he would prioritize reducing the use of fossil fuels.

“And by the way, no more drilling on federal lands, period. Period, period, period,” Mr. Biden told voters in New Hampshire in February 2020.

Upon taking office, Mr. Biden issued an executive order calling for a temporary ban on new oil and gas leasing on public lands, which was to remain in place while the Interior Department produced a comprehensive report on the state of the federal oil and gas drilling programs.

That report, issued in November, recommended an overhaul of the rents and royalty fees charged for drilling both on land and offshore. The report noted one estimate that the government had lost up to $12.4 billion in revenue from drilling on federal lands from 2010 through 2019 because royalty rates have been frozen for a century.

In opening up the new public lands for oil and gas permitting, the Interior Department will raise the royalty rates that companies must pay to the federal government from 12.5 percent of their profits to 18.75 percent, an increase that could bring in billions of dollars of new revenue.

“For too long, the federal oil and gas leasing programs have prioritized the wants of extractive industries above local communities, the natural environment, the impact on our air and water, the needs of tribal nations, and, moreover, other uses of our shared public lands,” Interior Secretary Deb Haaland said. “Today, we begin to reset how and what we consider to be the highest and best use of Americans’ resources for the benefit of all current and future generations.”

The new lease sales marks the second major step the Biden administration has taken to open up public lands and waters for drilling. Late last year, the Interior Department offered up to 80 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico for drilling leases, the largest sale since 2017. The administration was legally obligated to hold that lease sale after Republican attorneys general from 13 states successfully overturned a suspension on sales that Mr. Biden had tried to impose. Environmental activists criticized the administration, saying the lease sales represented backsliding on Mr. Biden’s already-stalled climate change agenda.

“The Biden administration’s claim that it must hold these lease sales is pure fiction and a reckless failure of climate leadership,” said Randi Spivak, director of the public lands for Center for Biological Diversity. “It’s as if they’re ignoring the horror of firestorms, floods and megadroughts and accepting climate catastrophes as business as usual.”

But it comes as part of a recent series of steps that Mr. Biden has taken as he attempts to assuage voter anxiety over rising gasoline prices. This month, he announced the largest-ever release of oil from the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, reached a deal to increase natural gas exports to Europe, and called on Congress to enact legislation to compel oil companies to drill on their leases.

lol

hobbez
Mar 1, 2012

Don't care. Just do not care. We win, you lose. You do though, you seem to care very much

I'm going to go ride my mountain bike, later nerds.
Really recommend washing that article down with Biden burning some rubber in his sick 'vet

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war
It made me really uncomfortable when he said "God, could my dad drive a car... oof" and looked wistfully into the distance.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

https://mobile.twitter.com/IrelandSeedSov/status/1514533785202737165

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
look, we waste 40% of our food so we have +40% food modifiers we can use whenever we want

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.

Rectal Death Adept posted:

look, we waste 40% of our food so we have +40% food modifiers we can use whenever we want

Also, we can't be overpopulated because there's no much empty space.

In the end, I believe that if humanity engineered itself into this mess, it can engineer itself out of it as well. That's right, I'm the biggest idiot ever. Nothing is going on behind my eyes

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Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

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