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mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

*Points to harry potter.*

loquacius posted:

I still don't think culture has absolutely no effect on young starry-eyed people just having their political awakenings but this doesn't have to be a death hill v:v:v

*Points to harry potter.*
(Kind of see more like ping pong effect. Politics alter art. Art alters the way people see politics. Politics alters art.)

loquacius posted:

I think the gun-control measure is that the wizard police can tell if you cast the gun spell and then they're coming for you

you see: if everyone in the world had a gun, they obviously wouldn't constantly be shooting each other all the time, because that is illegal, and the police will come arrest you :hmmyes:

somehow after thousands of years of the government having wand spyware nobody has figured out how to jailbreak a wand


It's probably a complex honour system like rich people have, and monarchist had.

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mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005
The more one knows about art, then the more a person knows about politics.

When a person finds out enough about music, then a person will end up learning a ton about the record industry and the bad practices that go into making music.
Then a person can take those practices and see variations of it in other parts of life, like in central governments.
My friend's interest in being a toy collector made him very aware of oil production, more so than anybody who drives a car.


Now, the politics of art, is that some random person can make a living off a single song getting popular on youtube or spotify.

Making art, and having conversations about art where politics can be separated is easier now, and will probably become easier in the future.

But also having conversations about politics in art, becomes easier because we can be whatever about art.
There was some metalcore singer, who sexually assaulted a person, and one twitter comment was like "gently caress him, there are a hundred metalcore bands, they're not important."

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





AnimeIsTrash posted:

how about we get back to posting about shows/movies we watched and if they were good or not

I watched The Astrologer (1975) last night (aka Suicide Cult and not to be confused with The Astrologer (1976) which is about a renegade psychic) and it was truly bizarre, but it had that moreish quality of a movie where you've got no idea what's going to happen next. It centers on the life of a government researcher who works to determine people's "zodiacal potential" - their capacity for good and evil, their destinies, and the strength of those destinies, gleaned from the time and place of their birth - whose on the hunt for a man born in India that has the greatest capacity for evil of any human ever born while protecting his own wife who has the same zodiacal potential as the Virgin Mary. It operates in its own logical bubble so deeply that most of the movie is just spent exploring the rules they're working under, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't weirdly gripped by it. It'd make a great double feature with Exorcist 2, and there's not a lot of movies that fit that bill. A "seeing is believing" kind of recommend for fans of experimental horror.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

God Hole posted:

Albus Severus Potter: dad I'm scared what if I get sorted into the Nazi house?
Harry Potter: actually that would be okay, I knew a good Nazi once. he had a decades-long fixation on your grandmother and literally tortured me for years for it. I named you after him

"ok i actually knew a second good nazi. he also had a decades-long fixation with your grandmother but he gave me drugs"

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
I saw Wild Wild West the other day.

Actually was not as bad as I remember. It's definitely a B-movie, but it has charm and funny moments. Plus Confederate remnants getting hosed with bullets is never bad to see :getin:

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

skooma512 posted:

I saw Wild Wild West the other day.

Actually was not as bad as I remember. It's definitely a B-movie, but it has charm and funny moments. Plus Confederate remnants getting hosed with bullets is never bad to see :getin:

yea I'm glad we're past acting like Wild Wild West is THE WORST MOVIE EVER. It's really lovely but it's also pretty fun and has genuinely funny moments. Plus yea, Gatling gun confederates, how can you not give it a couple points just for that?

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Doing my last 10 movies, jumping on the bandwagon as the third poster to do it, which is exactly as many posters a gimmick can sustain before it's no longer cool.

Sucker Punch: even in our dreams, we can't escape the patriarchy. Not socialist, but nice try Zack.

Whiplash: It's satisfying to watch JK Simmons abuse a bunch of bougie white kids at the fancy music school. I show this movie to people to explain that I'm not toxic, I just want them to be their best selves. Not socialist.

EEAAO: Main characters are literally petite bourgeois business owners trying to commit tax fraud. Treats anal play as a punchline. Not socialist, also guillotine.

A Touch of Zen: Every Pu Songling story is just "what if a bureaucrat got pussy?" Socialist

Yes, Madam!: China cop but made in British Hong Kong. Villain is a businessman, but I'm still saying not socialist.

Sweet Girl: Aquaman vs Big Pharma and their Washington running dogs. Socialist.

The Power of the Dog: not actually about a dog. Not socialist + guillotine.

Harakiri: Bushido, more like bullshito. Kobayashi films are always socialist.

The Adam Project: When the revolution comes, Ryan Reynolds will be the first against the wall. Not socialist.

Johnson Family Vacation: bow wow really commits to the pee acting. not socialist

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

whiplash will hold up a century from now

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
how did we both watch yes, madam in our last 10 movies


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SinglePastIriomotecat-mobile.mp4

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Because it came up in the CineD Action Movies thread and because EEAO.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

double negative posted:

anyone else watch snowfall? about a kid from south central who gets caught up selling coke for an especially hosed up cia officer funding the contras. co-created by singleton, but fell off a bit after he died, still generally a good watch. 5 seasons deep and getting kinda goofy now, but damson idris is really good.
I feel like "caught up" undersells his agency a bit. He doesn't innocently fall into the life, he looks at the society he lives in and decides that his best shot at achieving his ambitions is crime.

Anyway, Idris definitely sells the character, the character being a giant capitalist piece of poo poo who happens to come from a far more sympathetic background than most of them.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

pogi posted:

the 10 duel commandments vs. the 10 crack commandments jesus gently caress that is so lame).

I've never engaged in anything hammilton and this 10 duel commandments feels like it was written by a 15 year old white kid who heard his older brother listening to the biggy track

the biggy track is more legible and the rhymes are actually complex. It also has narrative perspective like someone telling you their advice based on experience. I mean if someone did the homework for you at least copy it

"I've been in this game for years, it made me an animal
It's rules to this poo poo, I wrote me a manual
A step-by-step booklet
for you to get
Your game on track, not your wig pushed back"

is such a sick rhyme scheme and also the final line, after the staccato feeling of "for you to get", being the consequences of following the 10 commandments vs not listening lands hard. it's pure form

"Number one
The challenge, demand satisfaction
If they apologize, no need for further action"

doesn't even take on the perspective of the person undertaking a duel. Who wants "no further action"? I want to humiliate my opponent or wound them. it's factually bad writing. he could have stolen the wig pushed back line and recontextualized it. just do something wtf

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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Weep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYJ2E2vFKU

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

idk who that speaks to. who likes this stuff? who is it for??

its like "I get it, it rhymes" and then?

McCloud
Oct 27, 2005

Zokari posted:

this in the same book where she establishes that literally every single nazi house member refuses to fight alongside the rest of the school against voldemort

What's the old saying, scratch a liberal and a nazi bleeds?

double negative
Jul 7, 2003


A Buttery Pastry posted:

I feel like "caught up" undersells his agency a bit. He doesn't innocently fall into the life, he looks at the society he lives in and decides that his best shot at achieving his ambitions is crime.

Anyway, Idris definitely sells the character, the character being a giant capitalist piece of poo poo who happens to come from a far more sympathetic background than most of them.

don't disagree with that at all, he's almost as much of a monster as teddy, and the show and the character make it clear a. he'll do anything to maintain his wealth and power and b. he could easily be incredibly successful doing poo poo other than collaborating with the cia to destroy his community and fund an anti-leftist war

at least in talking to people i know about it, kinda feels reminiscent of breaking bad where people conflate the protagonist with the good guy. and damson might be the best performance, but jerome is my favorite character

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

how about we get back to posting about shows/movies we watched and if they were good or not

the das boot tv show is pretty great but it sucks that streaming rights are in some weird rear end purgatory where you can watch season one on hulu but i guess you need the disney hulu espn bundle for any of the other ones??? because yeah if im into world war two submarine drama thats definitely the other services i want are disney and espn

is it socialist? well uhhh its obviously antinazi and antisubmarine and anticop and antiamericafirster and anticorporation and antimilitary and antiholocaust and sometimes antifrenchresistance but mostly because those guys are totally incompetent the only things anyone seems to have a sincerely positive opinion on are jazz music and loving

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

double negative posted:

at least in talking to people i know about it, kinda feels reminiscent of breaking bad where people conflate the protagonist with the good guy. and damson might be the best performance, but jerome is my favorite character
Yeah, the Breaking Bad comparisons are sort of inevitable, though I feel they do a better job at making it obvious that if you're rooting for him, you're rooting for a bad guy.

And yes, obviously Jeremo is the best character, just look at his hair.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Some Guy TT posted:

the only things anyone seems to have a sincerely positive opinion on are jazz music and loving

:hmmyes: reasonable tbh

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Antonymous posted:

idk who that speaks to. who likes this stuff? who is it for??

its like "I get it, it rhymes" and then?

hip-hip no hop

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

TeenageArchipelago posted:

There's a super wand in harry potter that can change allegiances, but it magically knows who it currently is allied to. Dumbledore has the super wand in most of the series, but then snape kills dumbledore, so voldomort thinks that the wand is tied to snape and murders him after a bit of light grave robbing and steeling the wand off of dumbledores corpse. But, right before snape killed dumbledore draco malfoy, harry's side-character rival, had stolen the super wand from dumbledore, and then somewhere along the line harry beat up draco and robbed him and the wand magically knew that, so it knew that harry owned it, and so it couldn't own harry

Or, as the others have said, rules lawyer bullshit

It's great. All that the movies had to be was Harry Potter flavored Ace Ventura, but they decided to make it tied into dumbledore and grindlewald in the 40's, which really begs a whole lot of questions in a world where magic is real and you can see the future, like "why didn't wizards stop the holocaust"

you cant make a billion dollar franchise off a silly side story, they had to tie in the larger universe somehow. the problem is the larger universe sucks and everything they could draw from was vague poo poo that wasnt meant to be closely examinated. of course the real solution would be for rowling to continue the story somehow, but everyone knows recapturing that lightning is impossible. so really there were never any good options and the whole venture was doomed from the start

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

on saying if what we just watched was socialist or not news, i watched the adam project on netflix. dogshit movie, not socialist at all.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


man parrishly

Nonsense posted:

hip-hip no hop

please stop please stop

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

babypolis posted:

you cant make a billion dollar franchise off a silly side story, they had to tie in the larger universe somehow. the problem is the larger universe sucks and everything they could draw from was vague poo poo that wasnt meant to be closely examinated. of course the real solution would be for rowling to continue the story somehow, but everyone knows recapturing that lightning is impossible. so really there were never any good options and the whole venture was doomed from the start

Other than Tolkien did any author successfully make the leap from kids books to bigger more expansive series about the same world? Sanderson kind of did it going from mistborn to the newer books but not really

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I watched Stephen Merchant’s latest bbc jawn Outlaws. it was a decent way to kill 6 hours, had a very well constructed interconnecting-gears type plot but it just wasn’t that interesting, unfortunately, or funny, which is kind of what I expect from the goggle eyed freak. watch it if you need something for the treadmill or lunch breaks, not a hearty recommendation.

I bring that up cause I wanted to mention that Chris Walken is in that, too, and is fuckin wonderful in it. two tv series in a year, kind of a weird career turn for a legendary 80 year old actor but *SNL producer voice* I gotta have more Walken!! him and Steve were the best characters and actors in the show, I hope the next season is just them

Aglet56
Sep 1, 2011

mastershakeman posted:

Other than Tolkien did any author successfully make the leap from kids books to bigger more expansive series about the same world? Sanderson kind of did it going from mistborn to the newer books but not really

arguably dragonball-> dbz

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Mantis42 posted:

Doing my last 10 movies, jumping on the bandwagon as the third poster to do it, which is exactly as many posters a gimmick can sustain before it's no longer cool.
my time to shine!

1. In the Shadow of the Moon - neat concept, definitely anti-right wing but not socialist
2. Moonfall - Emmerich disaster movie, not socialist
3. The Bubble - could have been more interesting but it's at least half an hour too long, has a bit of collective action but not socialist
4. Self/less - Ryan Reynolds in a rare role where he's not just playing Ryan Reynolds, is kind of opposed to the horrors of capitalism but from the perspective of someone that already Won At Capitalism, maybe a tiny bit socialist
5. Beyond White Space - Moby Dick in space! not socialist
6. Cosmic Sin - one of Bruce Willis' last movies (wow he's in a whole bunch of poo poo in the less than two years since, though, he really churned out a whole bunch of dreck before retiring) "the warcrime planet-killer super nukes are good, actually", not socialist
7. Venom 2 - barely memorable beyond the broad strokes, not socialist
8. Jackass Forever - more fun on the second watch with friends, very surprising amount of dong hung, good to see Steve-O healthy, not socialist
9. No Time to Die - well he did anyway so it's got that going for it, not socialist
10. Ghostbusters: Afterlife - eh, i liked it well enough, doesn't have the anti-EPA message Dan Akroyd forced into the originals, not socialist

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Aglet56 posted:

arguably dragonball-> dbz

while it may take place on a grander scale I feel like DBZ’s story is a lot simpler and more parochial than Dragonball

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

I will never acknowledge Puerto Rico, they disrespect Mexico my friend.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

God I don't remember what my last ten movies were. I have a toddler. About half of these are toddler movies.

Pig -- Nic Cage gives up fame and fortune to seek fulfillment but his wife's still dead. Y'know what? Socialist.

What We Do In The Shadows -- this movie could easily exist in about the same state under socialism but it's not really socialist.

Moana -- my daughter is obsessed with this movie. Not socialist.

Encanto -- my daughter is obsessed with this movie too. It's essentially about a petty noble family's dysfunction, therefore extremely not socialist.

Tangled -- my wife wanted to show this to our daughter because there's a horse in it; she had forgotten that it is a cop horse. The movie has a song about how even criminals have dreams and are worth something as people, which is good, but it's not socialist due to, y'know, all the monarchism.

Frozen -- I'm lucky that my daughter isn't as obsessed with this as kids of ten years ago were; it's still monarchist. Not socialist.

Dune -- part 2 might be socialist??? but part 1 is all noble intrigue. Not socialist.

Coda -- this movie had a subplot about a deaf fisherman founding a co-op to escape being hosed over by businessmen, basically seizing the means, but the film is mostly about his daughter trying to get formal schooling in singing for some reason which honestly sounds kinda bourg to me. I'll call it socdem on balance.

Avatar -- my dad wanted to rewatch this. Doesn't hold up. The extremely present noble-savage and white-savior tropes undercut the ostensible anti-imperialist theme. Not socialist.

Captain Fantastic -- I don't actually think an ending where Viggo Mortensen decides to live In Society rather than keep being a survivalist is necessarily anti-socialist, but the movie ended up kinder to the rich father-in-law than I would have liked. But, Viggo Mortensen hangs dong. I'll call this one socdem too.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

loquacius posted:

Pig -- Nic Cage gives up fame and fortune to seek fulfillment but his wife's still dead. Y'know what? Socialist.
oh poo poo i forgot Pig

Pig was good, possibly even socialist, more anprim tho

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
I think I would've enjoyed Pig better if my expectations weren't set by people saying it was like John Wick, but with Nick Cage and a pig

it was extremely not John Wick with Nick Cage and a pig

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I think I would've enjoyed Pig better if my expectations weren't set by people saying it was like John Wick, but with Nick Cage and a pig

it was extremely not John Wick with Nick Cage and a pig

Lol that was me

Mostly a joke -- both characters left behind a life of renown as a legendary figure in an insular community when their wife died, to instead live in quiet seclusion with an animal sidekick who is the only remaining memento of said dead wife. This animal is then taken away from them, and they react in very different ways because John Wick is an assassin and the Pig guy is a chef.

It's a similar character put into a similar situation; the resulting movies are quite different because one of them is the greatest killer on earth and the other one is really good at cooking French food

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Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

i watched the 1999 film the 13th floor because i vaguely remembered seeing the box at the rental places (???) as a small child and i was surprised to find that its yet another movie that came out in 1999 that has pretty much the same premise as the matrix. how many of those movies did they make?? this is like the fifth now that i can think of off the top of my head without going broad enough to include poo poo like fight club as well

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

how badly has The Lawnmower Man aged

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Good soup! posted:

how badly has The Lawnmower Man aged

https://i.imgur.com/5Tckt6V.mp4

still without flaw

TheSlutPit
Dec 26, 2009

Farm Frenzy posted:

i watched the 1999 film the 13th floor because i vaguely remembered seeing the box at the rental places (???) as a small child and i was surprised to find that its yet another movie that came out in 1999 that has pretty much the same premise as the matrix. how many of those movies did they make?? this is like the fifth now that i can think of off the top of my head without going broad enough to include poo poo like fight club as well

If you’re going to watch a matrix analogue with trailers/box art that probably seemed cool as a kid watch Dark City imo. It actually came out before the matrix too!

Farm Frenzy
Jan 3, 2007

matrix, dark city, existenz, truman show, 13th floor. what am i missing

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003

Farm Frenzy posted:

i watched the 1999 film the 13th floor because i vaguely remembered seeing the box at the rental places (???) as a small child and i was surprised to find that its yet another movie that came out in 1999 that has pretty much the same premise as the matrix. how many of those movies did they make?? this is like the fifth now that i can think of off the top of my head without going broad enough to include poo poo like fight club as well

Farm Frenzy posted:

matrix, dark city, existenz, truman show, 13th floor. what am i missing

Bowfinger, sort of. It crosses over with the premise of someone's life being recorded for other people to watch, like The Truman Show, 1999's EDtv and the 1996 Michael Lindsay-Hogg film Guy.

I haven't seen The 13th Floor but I did see the World on a Wire, the 1973 Fassbinder adaptation of the same 1964 book, Simulacron-3, which apparently invented the whole idea of intelligent programs in a virtual reality.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Equilibrium didn't have the "your life is fake" premise but it absolutely had the Matrix-lite aesthetic going on. A lot of action movies of that era did

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