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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

If you need a laugh, here's a found and explained video of the CL-1201, that late 1960s Lockheed project on the biggest airplane you could build with modern technology. It starts off bizarre, then actually gets even more so. Like "the engineers were just having a laugh" levels of WTF.

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AzureSkys
Apr 27, 2003

I've been on a few MAXs lately that were built before they were grounded for Ural Airlines. They're going to different customers now, but still have the Ural interior which is kind of weird given the last month or so. There are some S7 and Globus (now acquired by S7) MAXs still sitting around, too, so I wonder where they'll end up.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

Nebakenezzer posted:

If you need a laugh, here's a found and explained video of the CL-1201, that late 1960s Lockheed project on the biggest airplane you could build with modern technology. It starts off bizarre, then actually gets even more so. Like "the engineers were just having a laugh" levels of WTF.
Jesus H. The first sentence of that video really sets up the WTF level.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007


How did we get from this to Viper, I can't help but wonder.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Vighting Valcon

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

How did we get from this to Viper, I can't help but wonder.

Literally this

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

Is there a thread on SA where paragliders hang out?

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

:justpost:

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

I am contemplating installing a pirate weather station at a popular paragliding launch site. What wind quality measurements are useful, beyond avg speed, gust, and direction? Current weather stations in the area are not in great locations for measuring launch conditions.

I will have quite precise data at 10 Hz from an ultrasonic anemometer. But I don't have the radio backhaul (really, power budget) to send the full data. But if there are other statistics I can calculate and send in a summary form, I can do that local processing on the weather sensor. Data will be sent to the network will be every 10 - 60 sec.

What wind measurements best help you decide if it's good paragliding weather?

e: I do not paraglide. I make weather sensors.

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

ryanrs posted:

Is there a thread on SA where paragliders hang out?

There was one in The Great Outdoors but I haven’t seen if it’s still around.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

PCjr sidecar posted:

There was one in The Great Outdoors but I haven’t seen if it’s still around.

Thanks!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

ryanrs posted:

I am contemplating installing a pirate weather station at a popular paragliding launch site. What wind quality measurements are useful, beyond avg speed, gust, and direction? Current weather stations in the area are not in great locations for measuring launch conditions.

I will have quite precise data at 10 Hz from an ultrasonic anemometer. But I don't have the radio backhaul (really, power budget) to send the full data. But if there are other statistics I can calculate and send in a summary form, I can do that local processing on the weather sensor. Data will be sent to the network will be every 10 - 60 sec.

What wind measurements best help you decide if it's good paragliding weather?

e: I do not paraglide. I make weather sensors.

Is there such a thing as a "pirate" weather station? Don't you just upload the data to the weather service and they are all "hell yeah, a weather station at this location"?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Presumably the issue is getting permission from the landowner.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

I'm not going to be trespassing. It's more that the wind sensor needs to keep a low profile so random people don't mess with it, and also so it doesn't present an obstacle to paragliders. I think the standard for wind measurement is a 10 meter mast, which is not safe here.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Nebakenezzer posted:

If you need a laugh, here's a found and explained video of the CL-1201, that late 1960s Lockheed project on the biggest airplane you could build with modern technology. It starts off bizarre, then actually gets even more so. Like "the engineers were just having a laugh" levels of WTF.

pretty sure Project Aces took this design and said 'hold my beer' and launched a franchise out of it

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


ryanrs posted:

Is there a thread on SA where paragliders hang out?

Usually at powerlines I hear

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

ryanrs posted:

e: I do not paraglide. I make weather sensors.

Oh hey there. Do you have any off the shelf solutions that you could recommend? I’ve been mulling over getting something I could tack onto my external garage so I can watch data go brrrr and send off to Weather underground or whoever. Needs to be wide/HOA approved though so I can get too crazy with it. I’ve been thinking about an Acurite Atlas, but I’d be down for alternate suggestions.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

bull3964 posted:

Honestly, security isn't even the main concern and that's something that's pretty solvable by streamlining the flow.

For one, the whole "SHOE BOMB" and liquid concern likely isn't that big of a concern on a train ever since you don't have to worry as much about a hull breach or a structural breakup 5 miles above the surface of the planet. As long as someone can't get something onboard large enough to derail the train, a localized small explosion or fire isn't going to be a huge safety concern for the whole train like it is on an airplane. A train can just...stop. It doesn't have to maintain structural integrity and life support for dozens of minutes and then perform a structurally stressful procedure to get on the ground nor is it going to store fuel throughout the structure that can be set on fire or does it need specific weather conditions to stop. You also can't exactly hijack a train to get you to a different destination.

So, if you limit the security screening down to a metal detector/body scan, bag xray, and some explosive sniffing, things would move through pretty quickly. No taking off shoes and taking crap out of bags and whatnot. Just make sure someone doesn't have a gun or a machete and move people through.

Beyond that, the main holdups in airports are delays and the taxi/gate wrangling to keep delays from compounding along with weather delays. The trains should largely run on time as long as there aren't maintenance concerns which would move people though the station, at a predictable pace so you don't need plan so far ahead that you are at your gate an hour before takeoff.

bull3964 posted:

Honestly, security isn't even the main concern and that's something that's pretty solvable by streamlining the flow.

For one, the whole "SHOE BOMB" and liquid concern likely isn't that big of a concern on a train ever since you don't have to worry as much about a hull breach or a structural breakup 5 miles above the surface of the planet. As long as someone can't get something onboard large enough to derail the train, a localized small explosion or fire isn't going to be a huge safety concern for the whole train like it is on an airplane. A train can just...stop. It doesn't have to maintain structural integrity and life support for dozens of minutes and then perform a structurally stressful procedure to get on the ground nor is it going to store fuel throughout the structure that can be set on fire or does it need specific weather conditions to stop. You also can't exactly hijack a train to get you to a different destination.

So, if you limit the security screening down to a metal detector/body scan, bag xray, and some explosive sniffing, things would move through pretty quickly. No taking off shoes and taking crap out of bags and whatnot. Just make sure someone doesn't have a gun or a machete and move people through.

Beyond that, the main holdups in airports are delays and the taxi/gate wrangling to keep delays from compounding along with weather delays. The trains should largely run on time as long as there aren't maintenance concerns which would move people though the station, at a predictable pace so you don't need plan so far ahead that you are at your gate an hour before takeoff.

right? like, almost every method of loving with trains that endangers the train first requires you to not be on the train.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Psion posted:

pretty sure Project Aces took this design and said 'hold my beer' and launched a franchise out of it

I've seen pictures from one Ace Combat game with a flying aircraft carrier, and I think that one actually had the edge in practicality

I lost it when "oh yeah, BTW VTOL" was brought up, using 20-something JT9D turbines. Was this after they introduced having a fleet of six 707s that could act as tender aircraft? A whole wing of fully fueled and armed F-4s attached under the wing? Nuclear propulsion - especially as they could shield the reactor properly - actually seems sensible, but then they have four turbines who's giant fanblades turn with supersonic speed?

So guys I know what fans y'all are of the Mitsubishi Mu-300















Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS
"a comprehensive refreshment centre to port"

yeah...refreshment.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Nebakenezzer posted:

If you need a laugh, here's a found and explained video of the CL-1201, that late 1960s Lockheed project on the biggest airplane you could build with modern technology. It starts off bizarre, then actually gets even more so. Like "the engineers were just having a laugh" levels of WTF.

I find it hard to believe anyone was still proposing nuclear powered aircraft after the NB-36H happened.

But then this is the cold war we're talking about.

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

Nebakenezzer posted:

So guys I know what fans y'all are of the Mitsubishi Mu-300




Anyone know where to find more sweet sweet cutaway illustrations like the one here? Searches for AVI AGRAPHICA didn't seem to yield any results.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Scam Likely posted:

Anyone know where to find more sweet sweet cutaway illustrations like the one here? Searches for AVI AGRAPHICA didn't seem to yield any results.

Aside from Air International?

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

I find it hard to believe anyone was still proposing nuclear powered aircraft after the NB-36H happened.

But then this is the cold war we're talking about.

During the WOT there was somebody pitching atomic powered drones to the USAF.

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 13, 2022

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Warbird posted:

Oh hey there. Do you have any off the shelf solutions that you could recommend? I’ve been mulling over getting something I could tack onto my external garage so I can watch data go brrrr and send off to Weather underground or whoever. Needs to be wide/HOA approved though so I can get too crazy with it. I’ve been thinking about an Acurite Atlas, but I’d be down for alternate suggestions.

Davis Vantage Pro sensor suites are pretty easy.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


Nebakenezzer posted:

So guys I know what fans y'all are of the Mitsubishi Mu-300

The Hawker 400 and the BitchJet can both burn in the deepest of fiery hells. The seriously deepest. Fieryest. Hellest.

That. Aircraft.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

The Hawker 400 and the BitchJet can both burn in the deepest of fiery hells. The seriously deepest. Fieryest. Hellest.

That. Aircraft.

They aren't very fun from an engineering/manufacturing perspective either, same with the MU-300. As far as I can tell Textron has abandoned its efforts to unify all of the specifications for all the random companies they've bought over the decades so it's a mix of random MHI specs, Beechcraft specs and Textron specs depending on what's being made and what is being done to the part

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.

Scam Likely posted:

Anyone know where to find more sweet sweet cutaway illustrations like the one here? Searches for AVI AGRAPHICA didn't seem to yield any results.

A lot of the cutaways in this style were originally published by british magazines Flight and Aeroplane, search for 'aeroplane cutaway' brings up a lot of results.

They have been reproduced in a ton of aircraft encyclopedias and posters, there used to be compilations sold at newstands called Aeroplane Collector's Archive that had the drawings along with period photos. There's a book called Classic World War II Aircraft Cutaways that reproduces a bunch of wartime ones and gives some history on the artists who made them.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


rscott posted:

They aren't very fun from an engineering/manufacturing perspective either, same with the MU-300. As far as I can tell Textron has abandoned its efforts to unify all of the specifications for all the random companies they've bought over the decades so it's a mix of random MHI specs, Beechcraft specs and Textron specs depending on what's being made and what is being done to the part

I was maintenance. Electric distribution system was a complete disaster, avionics was a nightmare, flight controls worse. Flaps worse than that, trim system worse than all of those. For any of these things, the designers left a hole big enough for the part to go through (after disassembly in place). This was large enough to either see through or fit a hand into. Not both at the same time.

But the Air Conditioning: Specifically evil. Just assume it'd be easier to sawzall the tail off and reinstall it to do any maintenance on the compressor or condenser coil. Probably less labor, too.

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
Here have a video from a guy who repos widebodies

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7081720437436206378

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Presented without comment, fresh from the comic strip megathread, a Sunday newspaper strip from 1941.

catlord posted:

Dinky and Jenny Sunday Jan. 19, 1941

The Sundays for Dinky and Jenny are separate from the dailies, Dinky is standalone gags and Jenny has a different story. Currently she's the nanny and pilot for just the loving worst little rich snot. A lucky rabbit's foot with a metal core set too close the the compass put them off course and they had to stop and get directions.



I put my own reaction in the other thread, but I'm curious what you actual pilots have to say about this.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
Time to post this again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyvY2GK9B3M

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

“Ramp one, you should ahhhhh, probably head over to check the approach lighting on three-three…”

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Easter Saturday

so you might know Bombs over Bagdad? Live in Bagdad?

Well, SAR over Saudi [Arabia]

















Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Powered Descent posted:

Presented without comment, fresh from the comic strip megathread, a Sunday newspaper strip from 1941.

I put my own reaction in the other thread, but I'm curious what you actual pilots have to say about this.

It's correct about the effects. If you overload the plane you're gonna have a longer takeoff roll and much slower climb. Overload it too much, and you simply won't be able to produce enough lift to take off (or fly level, if you somehow added the weight in midair).

A related problem is that Pierre's overly heavy equipment seems to be stored in the back of the plane. That risks putting the center of gravity too far to the rear, which is a dangerously unstable situation. Even if the plane is not overloaded, a far rearward CG can overwhelm the elevator's ability to bring the plane's nose down, meaning that it will uncontrollably pitch up and enter an unrecoverable stall.

Assuming the CG wasn't an issue, Jenny probably should have just taken on less fuel and told Pierre that they'd be making a bunch of stops along the way. Or taken Pierre and his equipment on two separate trips, or cancelled the flight. Saying "I'll do it, but blame yourself if we crash and die" is reckless as hell. Displays several of the FAA's hazardous attitudes.

e: Here's an example of exactly this situation: an overloaded small plane with too much weight in the rear. The Piper Comanche was built as a four-seat plane, and was later extended to six with two more in the rear, but those two extra seats are really only suitable for children or baggage because of their far rearward location and resulting effect on the CG. In this flight, they had an adult in every seat, making it 135 pounds overweight and out of balance. The plane got off the ground, but went out of control after less than a minute and crashed into a golf course, killing everyone aboard. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ntsb-issued-final-report-on-fiery-north-scottsdale-plane-crash

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 17, 2022

Bass Ackwards
Nov 14, 2003

Anything can be used as a hammer if you try hard enough.

"The Vodka Burner is rolling..."
"We have Smirnoff."

Still cracks me up all these years later. :golfclap:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Nebakenezzer posted:

Easter Saturday

so you might know Bombs over Bagdad? Live in Bagdad?

Well, SAR over Saudi [Arabia]




A-This is an awesome read.
B-That nazi general's cap ad :lol:

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Sagebrush posted:

It's correct about the effects. If you overload the plane you're gonna have a longer takeoff roll and much slower climb. Overload it too much, and you simply won't be able to produce enough lift to take off (or fly level, if you somehow added the weight in midair).

Very cool, thank you for the technical details! :tipshat:

My own response was more along the lines of: she was negligent for even attempting the overloaded flight, and she doesn't get to foist responsibility for that onto a passenger. This wasn't a mistaken estimate of the weight, she straight-up said it was so heavy the plane might not even be able to take off, but then she did it anyway. If they all die, it's her fault.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Godholio posted:

A-This is an awesome read.
B-That nazi general's cap ad :lol:

lmao $88, even back then they couldn't help themselves.

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

The pilot-in-command is always responsible for the safety of the flight. Even if the passenger gave her a mistaken estimate of the baggage weight, it's her responsibility to check it and verify that the plane is in weight and balance limits.

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