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vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain
Can you at least spell the word correctly

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TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Dog Case posted:

Motorcycles are a percussion instrument

Metal tubing and valves. They’re clearly the euphonium of the two-wheeled conveyance world.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

How hosed up is the new bike supply chain? Looking to buy a new road bike around july/august time frame and am wondering if it’s better to just check the used market or hold off for a bit. Just looking for an endurance frame with disc brakes and 105 minimum.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

nwin posted:

How hosed up is the new bike supply chain? Looking to buy a new road bike around july/august time frame and am wondering if it’s better to just check the used market or hold off for a bit. Just looking for an endurance frame with disc brakes and 105 minimum.

Well cities in China are going back on lockdown, Russia and Ukraine are both large mineral providers and we're headed into peak buying season. It's gonna be lit.

gohuskies
Oct 23, 2010

I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

nwin posted:

How hosed up is the new bike supply chain? Looking to buy a new road bike around july/august time frame and am wondering if it’s better to just check the used market or hold off for a bit. Just looking for an endurance frame with disc brakes and 105 minimum.

I'd put in an order soon if you do want to shop new. A friend of mine bought a bike this winter and it took about 4 months to deliver which was 2 months later than the shop told him to expect.

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about
I ordered an ebike 2 weeks ago with 105 and it showed up 2 days later. If you look around online + local stores for stuff they have in stock there's plenty of bikes around, you just can't really go to one place and have them order something not in stock because that's when it will take months.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

serious gaylord posted:

All the illegal e-bikes have proper throttles which is why you see them buzzing up the

*pavement

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
As with everything when theres shortages the higher end bike supply isn't too bad. Entry & mid level are whats getting smashed at the moment and hasnt really recovered at all.

nwin
Feb 25, 2002

make's u think

serious gaylord posted:

As with everything when theres shortages the higher end bike supply isn't too bad. Entry & mid level are whats getting smashed at the moment and hasnt really recovered at all.

So you’re saying now is my chance to justify di2.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

nwin posted:

So you’re saying now is my chance to justify di2.

I legit would recommend it anyway if its in your budget. Theres nothing wrong with mechanical shifting but electronic is just somehow nicer.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I was riding Di2 yesterday and tried in vain to idly pluck back the shift paddle at a red light, which you can do on SRAM and Campy. It's really the little things that you miss.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
I'm trapped in a loop. I think about my surly krampus, think about selling it, clean it to take pictures, but then I'm like "nah, I could actually upgrade part X or part Y" and then I upgrade it, ride it 5 times, and then it sits for another year until I think about selling it again.

It's not a bad bike but the perfect use case is if you lived in the middle of a roadless forest and commuted to work at the nearby boreal swamp. It has no place on ordinary paths or gravel.

BUT on the other hand I could get a new rear mech, upgrade to a NW chainring, maybe switch it over to hydros... I mean it looks cool?

Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Apr 17, 2022

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
It seems Surly isn't delivering bikes to anyone outside Minnesota. They're definitely not available in Canada right now, so you could probably sell it for more than you paid to some diehard that's been desperate to get one since Covid hit.

alnilam
Nov 10, 2009

Salt Fish posted:

I'm trapped in a cycle.

In the context of the rest of your post this is an excellent pun

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Im trapped inside with nice weather on a 4 day weekend because covid finally got me.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
I'm also feeling poorly, although not the novel coronavirus. haha this sucks

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

Salt Fish posted:

if you lived in the middle of a roadless forest and commuted to work at the nearby boreal swamp

That sounds pretty rad

solarNativity
Nov 11, 2012

This is why every bike should be a road bike, because there's a road to wherever you're going anyway. :colbert:

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Salt Fish posted:

I'm trapped in a loop. I think about my surly krampus, think about selling it, clean it to take pictures, but then I'm like "nah, I could actually upgrade part X or part Y" and then I upgrade it, ride it 5 times, and then it sits for another year until I think about selling it again.

It's not a bad bike but the perfect use case is if you lived in the middle of a roadless forest and commuted to work at the nearby boreal swamp. It has no place on ordinary paths or gravel.

BUT on the other hand I could get a new rear mech, upgrade to a NW chainring, maybe switch it over to hydros... I mean it looks cool?

if it's the newer model it has decently modern frame geometry despite 29x3.0 tires falling out of fashion. It'll probably feel a lot more fun with skinnier tires and/or lighter wheels, though yeah, if you don't ever ride actual mtb trails it is always going to be overkill

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006
I'm going to take a look at an 80's Peugeot Carbolite 103 that I found on Craigslist this week. I've never purchased a used bike before. Anything I should be on the lookout for in particular? I used to ride a Trek FX crossover bike about 10 years ago, but haven't been out riding since so I'm not sure if there are major red flags to be on the lookout for beyond major damage to the bottom bracket or structural rust.

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about
Are there massive dents/holes in the frame, can you ride it without it feeling like you're grinding sand in the bottom bracket, that's about it yeah.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

kimbo305 posted:

I was riding Di2 yesterday and tried in vain to idly pluck back the shift paddle at a red light, which you can do on SRAM and Campy. It's really the little things that you miss.
Hahahaha. You can do it with MTB di2 shifters

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

Aero737 posted:

I'm going to take a look at an 80's Peugeot Carbolite 103 that I found on Craigslist this week. I've never purchased a used bike before. Anything I should be on the lookout for in particular? I used to ride a Trek FX crossover bike about 10 years ago, but haven't been out riding since so I'm not sure if there are major red flags to be on the lookout for beyond major damage to the bottom bracket or structural rust.

Do yourself a massive favour and buy a 2010s bike with 11 speed 105 instead.

Peugeots can have weird French standards for bearings etc. and it’s not going to be either light or have decent and easy to service drivetrain. The wheels may be of a different axle width to modern bikes.

Vando
Oct 26, 2007

stoats about

wooger posted:

Do yourself a massive favour and buy a 2010s bike with 11 speed 105 instead.

Peugeots can have weird French standards for bearings etc. and it’s not going to be either light or have decent and easy to service drivetrain. The wheels may be of a different axle width to modern bikes.

Counterpoint: it's probably under 50 bucks

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Aero737 posted:

I'm going to take a look at an 80's Peugeot Carbolite 103 that I found on Craigslist this week. I've never purchased a used bike before. Anything I should be on the lookout for in particular? I used to ride a Trek FX crossover bike about 10 years ago, but haven't been out riding since so I'm not sure if there are major red flags to be on the lookout for beyond major damage to the bottom bracket or structural rust.
Dug this up.

kimbo305 posted:

Terribly lit, but quite comprehensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0hEfwWg8vY

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Aero737 posted:

I'm going to take a look at an 80's Peugeot Carbolite 103 that I found on Craigslist this week. I've never purchased a used bike before. Anything I should be on the lookout for in particular? I used to ride a Trek FX crossover bike about 10 years ago, but haven't been out riding since so I'm not sure if there are major red flags to be on the lookout for beyond major damage to the bottom bracket or structural rust.

Make sure it's not a mid-80s French moneypit unless that's what you're particularly looking out for.
A forty year old bike could be a fun project, could be in okay shape already, or could be far more expensive to get running well than something from this century. If you don't know how to tell the difference, I'd recommend against.

Aero737
Apr 30, 2006
Thanks for the advice on the Peugeot. It's $125 so it's not major money. I want to use it to see if cycling is for me and if I'd get use out of a nicer bike next year. If I get a summer out of it, I'll consider it money well spent.

With that being said, I have been wanting to get into road cycling but the barrier to entry via new bike seems steeper than ever. Trek doesn't seem to have any road bikes under $1,500 in my area. What route do most people go to get into cycling?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Aero737 posted:

Thanks for the advice on the Peugeot. It's $125 so it's not major money. I want to use it to see if cycling is for me and if I'd get use out of a nicer bike next year. If I get a summer out of it, I'll consider it money well spent.

With that being said, I have been wanting to get into road cycling but the barrier to entry via new bike seems steeper than ever. Trek doesn't seem to have any road bikes under $1,500 in my area. What route do most people go to get into cycling?

Buying used is a good way to go, I'm just trying to warn you off old French bikes in particular.

If it exists locally to you, buying used through a co-op or used shop will give you a much better odds of getting something that isn't going to immediately need $300-$500 in parts/labor put in to it.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Is there anything to watch out for other than the bottom bracket and the headset? Velo orange sells new ones now so it's not as bad as it was when I was dealing with this poo poo in the 2000's. I think the freewheels require a different tool to get off but new ones will thread onto the hub just fine?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Clark Nova posted:

Velo orange sells new ones now so it's not as bad as it was when I was dealing with this poo poo in the 2000's.

Parts availability seems decent now. They’re only out of the middle spindle length. Though it is $50 plus shipping, so eats into the cost of the bike for sure.

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009

Clark Nova posted:

Is there anything to watch out for other than the bottom bracket and the headset? Velo orange sells new ones now so it's not as bad as it was when I was dealing with this poo poo in the 2000's. I think the freewheels require a different tool to get off but new ones will thread onto the hub just fine?

The freewheels have a different thread and are rare. It's Italian and English that are close enough to each other. The rear hub can also be a helicomatic which takes even rarer replacement parts.

It's also often pretty expensive if you want to change the handlebar or stem since those have their own obsolete standards too.

Old French bikes are the definition of a money pit so I would also avoid them. The Peugeots are also the worst in the way that they made everything from super nice bikes to cheap bikes but they all manage to look pretty nice at a glance. The carbolite frame is on the cheaper side.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006
<img src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-jammyozzy.gif"><br>Is that a challenge?

Havana Affair posted:

The freewheels have a different thread and are rare. It's Italian and English that are close enough to each other. The rear hub can also be a helicomatic which takes even rarer replacement parts.

Haha son of a, I was about to reply and ask if you meant bottom bracket not freewheel because until just now I never knew freewheels had different threads too!

a hot dad
Dec 2, 2018
Looking at a lightly-used 2015 Kona Jake for $1000 NZD / $675 USD shipped.

(edit: the seller's called it a 2014 but the color suggests it's a 2015)

Here's a link.

I've got an old Cannondale touring frame which is great to load up with junk and bomb around dirt roads on, but I'd be keen on something a little more lively.

2x10 Tiagra groupset, Hayes mechanical discs, the 50/34 12-30 gearing is a bit tall for my intended riding but I think I can live with it. It's in my size and looks to be in good nick. I won't be able to test ride it. Is this a good deal?

a hot dad fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Apr 20, 2022

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002


Made it through my first 100mi on the road bike build and i love the waxed chain and extra speed of this bike but have to admit these 65 section aero wheels are really sketchy in the wind/crosswinds.

Also hard to adjust to how twitchy this thing feels compared my gravel bike, but I think some of that is due to the wheels and narrower bars.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

a hot dad posted:

Looking at a lightly-used 2015 Kona Jake for $1000 NZD / $675 USD shipped.

(edit: the seller's called it a 2014 but the color suggests it's a 2015)

Here's a link.

I've got an old Cannondale touring frame which is great to load up with junk and bomb around dirt roads on, but I'd be keen on something a little more lively.

2x10 Tiagra groupset, Hayes mechanical discs, the 50/34 12-30 gearing is a bit tall for my intended riding but I think I can live with it. It's in my size and looks to be in good nick. I won't be able to test ride it. Is this a good deal?

That’s not bad at all for a disc brake frame in tyool 2022, you can always upgrade parts on it once you’ve got it too

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

a hot dad posted:

Looking at a lightly-used 2015 Kona Jake for $1000 NZD / $675 USD shipped.

(edit: the seller's called it a 2014 but the color suggests it's a 2015)

Here's a link.

I've got an old Cannondale touring frame which is great to load up with junk and bomb around dirt roads on, but I'd be keen on something a little more lively.

2x10 Tiagra groupset, Hayes mechanical discs, the 50/34 12-30 gearing is a bit tall for my intended riding but I think I can live with it. It's in my size and looks to be in good nick. I won't be able to test ride it. Is this a good deal?

Don’t buy any used bike without seeing it in person.

675 usd seems a lot for a 7 year old cyclocross bike with (the old version of) Tiagra. I’d far rather have rim brakes than mechanical disc.

Don’t know how small the NZ market is but I’ve bought used bikes with 105 in the UK for a lot less, and newer.

Do you have Facebook marketplace and other equivalents in NZ? That plus local cycling groups on Facebook is by far the best way to buy used where I am.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

wooger posted:

I’d far rather have rim brakes than mechanical disc.

I'd far rather have mechanical disc than rim brakes.

BB7s, Spyre SLCs, you name it.

e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

TobinHatesYou posted:

I'd far rather have mechanical disc than rim brakes.

BB7s, Spyre SLCs, you name it.

and you can’t upgrade rim to hydro disc down the road

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

My new job is making it possible to get my first proper bike, with a budget of 1000-2000€. I only know that I should avoid hybrids. I would be using it for day trips in the countryside, so a mix of asphalt, gravel/sand and paths of varying quality. Any help on what I should be looking for in general and regarding specific manufacturers is appreciated.

Edit: I also think I might prefer a more upright posture due to back issues, but let me know if this is dumb.

Kuule hain nussivan fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Apr 20, 2022

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a hot dad
Dec 2, 2018

e.pilot posted:

That’s not bad at all for a disc brake frame in tyool 2022, you can always upgrade parts on it once you’ve got it too

This is a pretty good point!

wooger posted:

Don’t buy any used bike without seeing it in person.

675 usd seems a lot for a 7 year old cyclocross bike with (the old version of) Tiagra. I’d far rather have rim brakes than mechanical disc.

Do you have Facebook marketplace and other equivalents in NZ? That plus local cycling groups on Facebook is by far the best way to buy used where I am.

So is this!

Much as I love my rim brake bikes, it's pretty damp and slushy a lot of the year. Definitely looking for discs going forward, even mechanical ones.

The local market is all dentist bikes and retro/vintage -- both of which have their place, I found a neat 70s steel frame last year to mess with at the co-op. I've got another old bike I might try to move, which would ameliorate the cost a little bit.

Made the most of the last good weather we're likely to see for a while with a clifftop ramble:

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