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IMHO it's easy to argue that agonizingly tormenting someone with electrocution is a bit on the evil side
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Vitruvian Manic posted:"good" and "evil" force powers make sense in video games but nowhere else. What's evil about electromagnetism? Unless there's vague Force reasons like the dark side can't heal (which seems like it might not?)
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Apr 18, 2022 02:54
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Vitruvian Manic posted:"good" and "evil" force powers make sense in video games but nowhere else. What's evil about electromagnetism? https://www.starwars.com/databank/force-lightning quote:Force lightning is a dark side ability used to torture, disfigure, and even kill one’s victims. Blue in color, Sith shoot Force lightning from their hands by calling on their hatred and aggressive feelings. Sounds pretty drat loving evil to me.
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Apr 18, 2022 02:54
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Sash! posted:Unless there's vague Force reasons like the dark side can't heal (which seems like it might not?) I’m currently doing a KOTOR II dark side run right now and realized that the healing power is a light side power is some bullshit so I just gotta keep carrying around medpacks all game. 
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Apr 18, 2022 02:56
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Brawnfire posted:IMHO it's easy to argue that agonizingly tormenting someone with electrocution is a bit on the evil side That’s the act of hitting someone with the lightning, though. Why would the creation of Force lightning, on its own, be considered a Dark Side ability? It’s a net neutral act until you use it to hurt someone. Like the telekinesis and choking argument made earlier.
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Apr 18, 2022 02:57
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Can it be applied any other way, I wonder? Because it seems like the above description demands channeling hatred and anger yada yada yada, maybe it's the intent of harm made manifest through the force and requires a target reviled by the caster, not--say--a dead battery
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Apr 18, 2022 03:07
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edit: ^^^^^ yeahthrawn527 posted:That’s the act of hitting someone with the lightning, though. Why would the creation of Force lightning, on its own, be considered a Dark Side ability? It’s a net neutral act until you use it to hurt someone. What exactly are you gonna do with lightning you've called upon using hatred and aggression?
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Apr 18, 2022 03:13
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Wanting to hurt people in fancy creative ways is bad. That's pretty much the core of things. That's the repeating theme force lightning is illustrating. Lightning is aesthetically connected to the dark side as like a motif, in much of the same way a lot of Star Wars stuff is kinda parroting the stuff from the original movies, but keeping the Force as a series of specifically defined powers is itself gamey. The force can be whatever you want, just you gotta go through some kind of cosmic spiritual thing to do it. Anita Dickinme posted:I’m currently doing a KOTOR II dark side run right now and realized that the healing power is a light side power is some bullshit so I just gotta keep carrying around medpacks all game. You get force drain to make up for it. But I think heal still works even if you have the wrong alignment, just less optimally, with a higher force point cost.
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Apr 18, 2022 03:36
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Being very reluctantly treated by a Sith medic
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Apr 18, 2022 03:40
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SlothfulCobra posted:Lightning is aesthetically connected to the dark side as like a motif, in much of the same way a lot of Star Wars stuff is kinda parroting the stuff from the original movies, but keeping the Force as a series of specifically defined powers is itself gamey. The force can be whatever you want, just you gotta go through some kind of cosmic spiritual thing to do it. It seems like it has to sort itself out into "power sets" based on what direction you're coming from. The dark side is corrupting and damaging, so it can't, by nature, do the opposite.
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Apr 18, 2022 04:59
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I liked Yoda jumping around because it was call back to martial art films where the old master suddenly breaks out the sick moves.
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The whole thing with the idea of Yoda and Dooku doing some kind of Scanners mind battle (and I guess it goes back to the RedLetterMedia reviews) is that it sounds wicked rad... but on paper. Literally. In a book, with written exposition, it would be a cool scene. But it was in a movie for kids. Don't act like you didn't think it was kind of awesome when Yoda did a whole *sighs and drew his katana* bit. I'm not defending the duel afterwards because it was dreadful-- just don't act like they didn't cover the whole wizard-battle scene beforehand, because Yoda absorbing dark side lightning and making Dooku look like a punk until he got scared and pulled his saber was loving sick.
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Davros1 posted:I liked Yoda jumping around because it was call back to martial art films where the old master suddenly breaks out the sick moves. They normally didn't though. Drunken Master, Snake in Eagles Shadow, etc., the old master typically used minimal effort as compared to the young plucky kid to own everyone. The trope is that the master doesn't waste any effort in wuxia films while the young guy has to fly all over the place to do the same. Also why Obi Wan/Maul finale is so great.
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Kesper North posted:speaking of fascism we're trying to get rid of calling it that because he was literally rounding up autistic people for the Nazis Well poo poo. I did not expect to learn that Hans Asperger fed kids to the nazi death camps in the star wars thread.
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Mind controlling someone feels a lot shadier than throwing lightning bolts tbqh.
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Apr 18, 2022 09:45
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I think the old EU had “light-side” lightning that Luke used a bunch, to zap some Vong.
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Hazo posted:edit: ^^^^^ yeah Lightning needing "hatred and aggression" was something added by the EU (even if it's on StarWars.com now). In the movies, it was just a thing that Palpatine could do. Yoda could have just as easily summoned lightning to, I don't know, power a dead console on a starship or something. This still boils down to the EU adding D&D "good and evil" alignments to everything. Lightning was something Palpatine did in the movies (as a surprise trick in ROTJ to make everyone say, "Holy poo poo, Luke doesn't know anything!"), so the EU decided it was a Dark Side ability and said it needed "hatred and aggression" to summon. But that all seems a bit silly to me. If Lucas had decided to have Yoda summon it too, instead of just deflecting and absorbing it, the EU writers would have been tripping over themselves to retcon it in someway, with a, "It can also be summoned by thinking of how you'll vanquish hatred and aggression" (or something, I'm obviously no writer).
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VaultAggie posted:I think the old EU had “light-side” lightning that Luke used a bunch, to zap some Vong. Would make sense considering in the book Darth Plagueis he tells Palps as he’s training him the only way to teach someone force Lightning is to make them suffer through it. So perhaps Luke mastered it and was able to use it through some other feelings… or he uses as an outlet for his anger and hatred. 
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Just zapping my balls with force lightning because I've been such a bad Jedi, so many attachments, what a piece of poo poo
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VaultAggie posted:I think the old EU had “light-side” lightning that Luke used a bunch, to zap some Vong. Electric Judgement/Emerald Lightning, used by Plo Koon, Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo, and Luke Skywalker Uses a strong sense of justice rather than hatred/anger to subdue enemies
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Force Centrist Lightning: the user strongly believes the systems in place, corrupt though they may be, are ultimately our best option. Shaking things up by attacking obvious bad actors directly is not the way of the Centrist Force. The Centrist Jedi fills their hearts with the justice of the byzantine court system and local police authorities--and businesses--then sends forth a shocking wave of red tape to bind their enemies into uselessnses. Also, their allies. Really, anyone who's doing anything.
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Brawnfire posted:Just zapping my balls with force lightning because I've been such a bad Jedi, so many attachments, what a piece of poo poo I assume this happened in one of the post-NJO books that I'll never read.
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Maybe if Jedi weren’t such rear end in a top hat celibates, they wouldn’t have become extinct.
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fartknocker posted:I assume this happened in one of the post-NJO books that I'll never read. Just some Jedi walking around with a pained expression and an absolutely blasted-out sack. An elder bends over and whispers: "You know, Jedi don't really do acts of penance such as you've described." "...now you loving tell me."
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VaultAggie posted:I think the old EU had “light-side” lightning that Luke used a bunch, to zap some Vong. That was when they went with the idea that there was no dark side and it was ok to do stuff like that. Then later writers came in and went "Nope. You're wrong. Also the jedi who told you it was ok was now secretly a sith the whole time."
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I mean this is addressed explicitly in Empire where Luke is all 'Is the Dark side stronger?' and Yoda replies 'no, just a bit easier, Jedi don't use the force to attack' and then Luke asks 'but why' and Yoda says 'shut up nerd I'm not saying why'.
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I shouldn't have to tell you dipshit, now wear me like a backpack
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Invalid Validation posted:Maybe if Jedi weren’t such rear end in a top hat celibates, they wouldn’t have become extinct. Jedi aren't celibates. They just can't form attachments. That's why "hit it and quit it" is enshrined in the Jedi Code.
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Brawnfire posted:Force Centrist Lightning: the user strongly believes the systems in place, corrupt though they may be, are ultimately our best option. Shaking things up by attacking obvious bad actors directly is not the way of the Centrist Force. The Centrist Jedi fills their hearts with the justice of the byzantine court system and local police authorities--and businesses--then sends forth a shocking wave of red tape to bind their enemies into uselessnses. Also, their allies. Really, anyone who's doing anything. I support affordable access to lightning, provided it goes through the proper process with bipartisan (sith-jedi) support.
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Hazo posted:edit: ^^^^^ yeah Turn on that lamp
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Hazo posted:Jedi aren't celibates. They just can't form attachments. That's why "hit it and quit it" is enshrined in the Jedi Code. I was hoping that Rey would turn out to be a love child between Obi Wan and Satine Kryze but the numbers for the ages don't add up. Reading the 'expanded' versions of the sequel novels fills in a lot of blanks, but they come off as post hoc narrative trying to make things fit and make more sense. I don't really care that much though, it's a soap opera set in space with lasers and laser swords and amazing designs and it's awesome and I can't get enough of it.
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I would have made Rey not related to anyone, but instead be a failed Batman Beyond contingency plan where they tried to make a new Luke Skywalker.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You get force drain to make up for it. But I think heal still works even if you have the wrong alignment, just less optimally, with a higher force point cost.
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I think the last time I did a dark side run on KOTOR II I was like seven years old. I feel like poo poo. Killed some mercs messing with an alien outside the Telos cantina just to tell the alien I just wanted to kill him myself afterwards. I didn’t realize it was literally just so evil as I use force choke and he immediately dies. 
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Kotor evil choices run the gamut from puppy kicking cartoon villain to downright horrific mindfucks where you utterly destroy somebody's willpower. It's funny when you force persuade two thugs to jump into a bottomless pit because it'll let them reach the ground faster. It's freaky when you break Hanharr and make him your personal battering ram.
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Anita Dickinme posted:https://www.starwars.com/databank/force-lightning That is dumb and should be ignored. it isn't real Star Wars. Now, interestingly, the one application of the force that Sith will use and Jedi won't is life extension. Yet due to weird d&d bullshit healing somehow ends up a "light side" power. the idiots gamifying the system can't even do it right.
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I think it's the first Kotor but I remember lmaoing big time when one of the dialog responses to somei Jolee bindo says was just "I hate you old man"
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Didn't one of the Jedi Knight games also allow you force lightning even as a light sider? Anyway, watched the first 2 eps for BoBF. First episode was pretty cool and funny actually. That Sarlacc escape is pretty horrific and seeing the burnt out barge in the background is awesome. But the fight scene was pretty meh and emblematic of the whole Disney wants super heroes. Why didn't Boba just fly up instead of letting them poke him with electric sticks? Why did the experienced bounty hunter decide opening with a rocket against a shield in his face was the right call? Well, so he can combo with Fennec and turn it around. Cool piece of parkour though.There's also something very funny to me about how he walks around with 2 half naked fat pigs following him around.  Second episode was pretty boring to me. Though the train scene at least was cool. It just spends too much time with the Tuskens.
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Darth TNT posted:Didn't one of the Jedi Knight games also allow you force lightning even as a light sider? I think they all allow you to, it's just that the lightning does less damage/costs more force points to use. One of those.
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Darth TNT posted:Didn't one of the Jedi Knight games also allow you force lightning even as a light sider? "Abilities aren't inherently good or evil, it's how you use them." Kyle Katarn and Jaden Korr spit out Force Lightning like it's going out of style in Outcast/Academy The EU even goes into how disturbed Jaden is by how easily he can call on it Galactic Pals: Jawa Rodian Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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