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gradenko_2000 posted:February: What's? It's just Eco at the work, OP. 
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Apr 17, 2022 16:16
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:l(mao) IDK Noah, I literally never have thought about you until just now so I'm guessing your job is...shitposting on twitter?
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Apr 17, 2022 16:17
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Bilirubin posted:IDK Noah, I literally never have thought about you until just now so I'm guessing your job is...shitposting on twitter? He's saying it would be dangerous for him to be in China because they'd "get him" for incessantly criticizing China all day In which case... Just don't do that???
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Apr 17, 2022 16:21
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It's simpler. If Noah lived in China he might interact with Chinese people and learn their culture and politics. In short, he might finally know something about China. Which of course unacceptable for someone writing about China at a Western outlet. He'd probably lose his job.
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Apr 17, 2022 16:39
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Rutibex posted:Oh for sure, I don't think America as a country could even survive at this point if they tried to decouple from china. but it's the desperate flailing of a rapidly shrinking empire, they are gonna try anything Biden team has this genious idea of "partial decoupling" which is "We will tell you want part of technology business we will decouple from you and we will tell the rest of the world to stop doing business with you too; but other part of trade you have to keep doing business with us". Sullivan and Blinken tried to sold this to China in Hawaii.
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Apr 17, 2022 16:41
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Red and Black posted:It's simpler. If Noah lived in China he might interact with Chinese people and learn their culture and politics. In short, he might finally know something about China. Which of course unacceptable for someone writing about China at a Western outlet. He'd probably lose his job. Nah dude there's like a whole industry of insane weirdos who live in China for a decade and somehow only become even more racist The truth is he would be fine because he's so loving boring and inconsequential no one would give a gently caress about his lovely Twitter posts and medium articles
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Apr 17, 2022 16:49
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hey antonymous looks like you dont have pms so ill just ask out loud are you familiar with any articles that go into deep detail about how the chinese film market has changed over the last decade or two academic articles would be preferable but ill also accept fake news
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Apr 17, 2022 17:03
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IAMKOREA posted:Nah dude there's like a whole industry of insane weirdos who live in China for a decade and somehow only become even more racist Yeah I know, I was just trying to be funny
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Apr 17, 2022 17:53
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Red and Black posted:Yeah I know, I was just trying to be funny Oh sorry I just hate that guy so much
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Apr 17, 2022 18:47
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IAMKOREA posted:Oh sorry I just hate that guy so much haha, no worries
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Apr 17, 2022 19:29
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Lord of Pie posted:I hope this guy moves to Ukraine immediately I earnestly think Noah Smith thinks, deep down, "the ukraine is at war. I was in america when it was at war and it was fine, war doesn't really reach normal people like me"
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Apr 17, 2022 20:23
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Apr 17, 2022 20:56
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Apr 17, 2022 20:59
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Apr 17, 2022 21:01
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Apr 17, 2022 21:41
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Freedom in Tiananmen, say goodbye Americans Outlast the Eastern Block, Jiang Qing locked up Economy's developing, material base is growing PLA won't turn and run once the fighting has begun Hong Kong is coming home, Taiwanese want freedom, too Falun Gon is forced to leave, dont you know that all this means Deng was right Deng was right Deng was right
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Apr 17, 2022 22:13
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Mantis42 posted:Freedom in Tiananmen, say goodbye Americans
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Apr 17, 2022 22:22
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Antonymous posted:I earnestly think Noah Smith thinks, deep down, "the ukraine is at war. I was in america when it was at war and it was fine, war doesn't really reach normal people like me" Westerners whose whole job can be summed as posts on Twitter for a living, should be stripped of their rights
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Apr 17, 2022 22:37
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stephenthinkpad posted:Deng didn't say publicly what to do when China catch up to US (in measureable matrix), he only say "lay low and play it cool" when catching up. Xi's father was Deng's top lieutenant in economic reform in Shenzhen, obviously Xi knew what Deng thought privately. Deng selected two successors in order, Zhang Zemin and then Hu Jintao, Xi is technically from the Zhang Zemin "Shanghai" faction which was pro-urban and pro capitalist growth. Hu is from the more ideological communist youth league faction which is more about infrastructure development and big socialist projects I guess. And those are the two big factions within the party since the 90s. Hu was also more about the CCP becoming more mild (no longer revolutionary) and power being less localized in specific individuals and he's sorta supposed to play the young 'reformer'. Neither of these guys were big players until Deng basically picked them to succeed him. Zhang Zemin basically didn't let Hu get full power until late in Hu's term and then things were supposed to swing back to Zhang Zemin's "Shanghai" faction in 2012 because he was still sorta the biggest player behind the scenes, Hu never took over he just played his part. I don't think Xi was part of Deng's plan. He didn't really have a strong place in Zhang's faction and teamed up with Hu's second in command, Li Keqiang and they basically played the two sides against each other in a really smart way, the weakness of each faction is the strength of the other so by playing them against each other he consolidated the strong parts and removed the weak parts, leaving himself as the only person unscathed. He also has dealt with the 3rd large faction in China - the non party super wealthy - by bringing them to heel as well. Idk but I think Bo Xilai was probably the person who was supposed to succeed Hu since he was close to Zhang Zemin but was also a left winger "conservative" i.e. commie which would make the Communist Youth League happy. but he hosed up and had that british guy murdered to hide his own money laundering. so I guess then things fell to Xi?
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Apr 17, 2022 23:10
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I should read a book instead of articles in english but if someone can explain it better I would like to learn
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Apr 17, 2022 23:12
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https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1515501528106377225
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Apr 17, 2022 23:23
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Antonymous posted:Deng selected two successors in order, Zhang Zemin and then Hu Jintao, Xi is technically from the Zhang Zemin "Shanghai" faction which was pro-urban and pro capitalist growth. Hu is from the more ideological communist youth league faction which is more about infrastructure development and big socialist projects I guess. And those are the two big factions within the party since the 90s. Hu was also more about the CCP becoming more mild (no longer revolutionary) and power being less localized in specific individuals and he's sorta supposed to play the young 'reformer'. Neither of these guys were big players until Deng basically picked them to succeed him. Zhang Zemin basically didn't let Hu get full power until late in Hu's term and then things were supposed to swing back to Zhang Zemin's "Shanghai" faction in 2012 because he was still sorta the biggest player behind the scenes, Hu never took over he just played his part. I don't disagree except the Bo part. Doesn't mean a spiritual true Deng successor would continue Hu's path though. He was the weakest of all the CPC leaders and wouldn't have used military hard power to reshape the world, unlike Deng. Also, Deng is not CPC. He never became the general secrtary for many reasons (related to the Chinese dynastic tradition). Deng didn't equal the true CPC path and nobody stole the his idealogy after his death. A state has her own organic way to grow along her national interest, kind of like how Ali Khamenei hasn't done do exactly how Khomeini did things, but doesn't mean he betryed Khomeini.
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Apr 17, 2022 23:44
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stephenthinkpad posted:Also, Deng is not CPC. He never became the general secrtary for many reasons (related to the Chinese dynastic tradition). Deng didn't equal the true CPC path and nobody stole the his idealogy after his death. please write as many words as you’d like to elaborate on this I’m really interested
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Apr 18, 2022 01:09
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Apr 18, 2022 01:34
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Mantis42 posted:Freedom in Tiananmen, say goodbye Americans
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Apr 18, 2022 01:41
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deng never held an official leadership post in the party structure but he was chairman of the central military commission and the pla is a party org so i don't think these distinctions matter that much. absolutely ludicrous to say he's "not cpc"
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Apr 18, 2022 02:15
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Rutibex posted:Oh for sure, I don't think America as a country could even survive at this point if they tried to decouple from china. but it's the desperate flailing of a rapidly shrinking empire, they are gonna try anything yeah i weep for the world but this is incredible content 
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Apr 18, 2022 02:17
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R. Guyovich posted:deng never held an official leadership post in the party structure but he was chairman of the central military commission and the pla is a party org so i don't think these distinctions matter that much. absolutely ludicrous to say he's "not cpc" how did he get to be in charge
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Apr 18, 2022 02:44
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indigi posted:please write as many words as you’d like to elaborate on this I’m really interested Which part, Deng not being the general secretary or the chairman? He kind of stole it from the Mao's appointed successor, Hua Guo Feng, along with the elders of the party. Although that part of the history was very muddy and not a lot of people in the know talked about it (unlike the Mao drama). Mao very much acted like a founding emperor of a new dynasty and historians think its a fair game to treat him like one (as in, doesn't pull punch on the imperial court drama). Disclaimer I am not a connoisseur of that history cause I am only interested in geopolitics. From memory, after Mao death, many fractions emerged from the shadow and struggled for power. Some people for example the head body guard of Mao was very powerful at the time, kind of got forgotten by the official history. Him and Hua Guo Feng were actually the main force behind arresting the "Gang of Four", which IMO, was essentially throwing Mao's last 10 years of policy under the bus, and throwing all the people associated with that era in jail. So that part of the history right after Mao's death was very chaotic, and different fractions kept talking to each other and trying to out-coup other fractions. How did we go from Mao's wife getting arrested and then Deng forced Hua retired, was not clear. IMO way less clear than the retirement of Khrushchev. BTW there is conspiracy that Hua was Mao's bastard child since he was from Hunan too and Mao got all his sons killed. I like the rumor but I know Hua doesn't really look like Mao. After Deng gained power, he completely remade the upper architecture of CPC leadership. Chairman title was officially retired. Standing committee became the really decision center. But the actual most powerful title became the chairman of military commission. I think the period ruled by Deng, should be counted when he took over the chairmanship of military commission from Hua, to 92 southern tour. That was his last hurrah. Keep in mind that he passed the title to Jiang in 89 already. So when he pulled the strings in 92 to push his "continue economic reform" legacy forward, he didn't have any official title anymore. He kind of lord over Jiang in Jiang's entire run. This has direct effect of Jiang became very power hording after Deng's death and in term made Hu a weak leader.
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Apr 18, 2022 02:50
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thanks that’s all interesting as hell
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Apr 18, 2022 02:54
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the original is my favourite bush era cultural product.
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Apr 18, 2022 03:27
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https://twitter.com/xinjiangalex/status/1515652403760037889?s=20&t=Tx1lnepR2zXQvN-ArVr81A Can someone who reads Chinese tell me what's going on in this guys profile?
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Apr 18, 2022 11:00
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From the comments it seems like it's song lyrics and that's why it's confusing. So instead of making fun of him for mangling Chinese they should make fun of him for putting song lyrics in his profile as a 30- or 40-something man.
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Apr 18, 2022 11:28
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https://twitter.com/china_takes/status/1515882672765255685
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Apr 18, 2022 13:37
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Has anybody ever met a white guy learn and speak Cantonese? I have never seen one IRL. I have met an Indian teen who spoke Cantonese because he grew up in HK. He wore a Sikh turban now that I think about it. I hope Stanford scam some funding from NED.
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Apr 18, 2022 14:33
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i used to know a lady from canada who was fluent in cantonese, no white guys tho 
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Apr 18, 2022 14:39
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stephenthinkpad posted:Has anybody ever met a white guy learn and speak Cantonese? I have never seen one IRL. I have met an Indian teen who spoke Cantonese because he grew up in HK. He wore a Sikh turban now that I think about it. yes his name was wayne. he learned cantonese to win his girlfriend's fathers approval.
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Apr 18, 2022 14:44
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stephenthinkpad posted:Has anybody ever met a white guy learn and speak Cantonese? I have never seen one IRL. I have met an Indian teen who spoke Cantonese because he grew up in HK. He wore a Sikh turban now that I think about it. I think Dashan can speak Cantonese
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Apr 18, 2022 14:44
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stephenthinkpad posted:Has anybody ever met a white guy learn and speak Cantonese? I have never seen one IRL. I have met an Indian teen who spoke Cantonese because he grew up in HK. He wore a Sikh turban now that I think about it. how well do you consider "learned" ? i know a few white guys that learned cantonese but i dont think it was to a really high level. i used to be able to understand cantonese to about a2 level or so but couldn't really speak it very well at all and ive let the listening ability fade
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Apr 18, 2022 14:46
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stephenthinkpad posted:Has anybody ever met a white guy learn and speak Cantonese? I have never seen one IRL. I have met an Indian teen who spoke Cantonese because he grew up in HK. He wore a Sikh turban now that I think about it. that's me
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