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also yeah ofc that other post was a syq you lunatics 
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Apr 18, 2022 05:53
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:First, let us be clear: Given your anti-Marxist stance, meaning you probably either adhere to some kind of center-left (e.g., social democracy) or ultra-left (e.g., anarchism) tendency, both of which are opportunist and utopian—that is, counterrevolutionary—you are a fauxgressive (pseudoleftist). By no means are you a genuine left-winger. 
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Apr 18, 2022 06:15
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:dsa has one membership requirement in fact, and we see in dsa what happens when just banning demcent isn't stupid enough for you: you have to ban demcent and carve out an unofficial exception for trots well, not quite. being under the discipline of a demcent organization is one reason in a list containing stuff like "disruptive behavior" that someone MAY be asked to leave, ie it's an anti-entryist panic button which is deployed extremely rarely and inconsistently. the last actual member expulsion per that list that i know of was actually for disruptive behavior + being dramatically out of political alignment, and it took months to formally get rid of a really annoying and disruptive bitcoin grifter that anyone loosely adjacent to the online dsa may have heard of i DO think "not a cop" is a formal membership requirement as of a couple years back so i guess that's something
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Apr 18, 2022 06:30
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Ferrinus posted:well, not quite. being under the discipline of a demcent organization is one reason in a list containing stuff like "disruptive behavior" that someone MAY be asked to leave, ie it's an anti-entryist panic button which is deployed extremely rarely and inconsistently. the last actual member expulsion per that list that i know of was actually for disruptive behavior + being dramatically out of political alignment, and it took months to formally get rid of a really annoying and disruptive bitcoin grifter that anyone loosely adjacent to the online dsa may have heard of
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Apr 18, 2022 07:15
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Fundamentals of Ovenism By Joseph Stovin Recipe 1: Traitor-trot casserole
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Apr 18, 2022 10:16
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the social fascists are at it again https://twitter.com/lilbabygandhi/status/1515358463987273729
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Apr 18, 2022 15:37
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AnimeIsTrash posted:the social fascists are at it again lol i hate this oval office and every Provocative Take he shits out
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Apr 18, 2022 15:48
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tokin opposition posted:What if cspam but d&d is some cursed poo poo If it's so cursed why am I trying so hard to make it happen
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Apr 18, 2022 17:29
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:otoh funneling arms to israel is no reason to expel a member, and suggesting that maybe it should be is a good way to get your working group shut down and to lose the ability to run for leadership positions the only good news on that front is that it has resulted in a huge messy fight and lots of backpedaling and reversals rather than just carrying on business as usual. i things like that are becoming flashpoint precisely because of stuff like the good work the international committee and other parts of the org are doing
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Apr 18, 2022 23:17
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swimsuit posted:im not a member of a trotskyist org but every trotskyist ive met has always been politically active in their community / workplace there is probably a good reason why the biggest and most active "left" groups remaining in the west are those most willing to denounce the Official Enemies of their home country, especially those Official Enemies that had successful socialist revolutions, though I can't put my finger on what that might be unironically though it is good that they're active and passionate, no hate towards Trots, anarchists, Maoists, etc. on an individual basis, I'd rather they be active than post all day, even if their activism will always be somewhat neutered inherently
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Apr 18, 2022 23:21
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John Charity Spring posted:lol i hate this oval office and every Provocative Take he shits out his twitter handles extremely sus
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Apr 19, 2022 01:45
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AnimeIsTrash posted:the social fascists are at it again https://twitter.com/MSSACK_FNSECA_/status/1515445573750558728 
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Apr 19, 2022 15:22
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is that the deal with trotskyism? that vietnam, laos, cuba, and china arent socialist?
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Apr 19, 2022 17:17
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:is that the deal with trotskyism? that vietnam, laos, cuba, and china arent socialist? they’re DEFORMED 
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Apr 19, 2022 17:19
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I support the only socialist program to survive and thrive: the financial market of the United States of America.
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Apr 19, 2022 19:08
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:is that the deal with trotskyism? that vietnam, laos, cuba, and china arent socialist? it turns out that the only socialist country that has ever existed was the ussr from 1917 to 1922. strange but true!
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Apr 19, 2022 19:45
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imagine the state … but corrupted and evil 
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Apr 19, 2022 19:51
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wynott dunn posted:imagine the state … but corrupted and evil sounds degenerated as hell
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Apr 19, 2022 19:56
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I don’t want to work, I just want to bang on me state all day
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Apr 19, 2022 22:42
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:is that the deal with trotskyism? that vietnam, laos, cuba, and china arent socialist? there's more than that: they are, in loose definition, degenerated revolutions trotsky had a good starting framework with his idea of permanent revolution, which, if brought to an essential point, was that a continuous social mobilization towards the revolutionary goal is indispensable for the revolutionary state. Again, if we bring it to the essential part of it, it's a good point imho. A dumb analogy would be that it is the sociological equivalent of telling somebody to pull iron, eat properly, do cardio, but for the body politic (I had a professor use that one to explain and I had to share it lol) the problem was that the man himself beat up that drum when he got sidelined and suddenly the man who wanted permanent war communism and mobilized worker-soldier armies started accusing the communist party of the soviet union of falling into anti-revolutionary tendencies, which basically got a big "Oh loving really that's so precious coming from you right now" from the rest
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Apr 20, 2022 15:55
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dead gay comedy forums posted:there's more than that: they are, in loose definition, degenerated revolutions IDGI, did he only start banging that drum when he got sidelined or was he more nuanced about it or what? was he hypocritical about it or sth?
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Apr 20, 2022 17:44
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dead gay comedy forums posted:there's more than that: they are, in loose definition, degenerated revolutions sounds more like he's telling the body politic to maintain a 2% bf competition physique at all times, which is impossible also telling peasants they cant do revolutions, which is, of course, demonstrably wrong. But those aren't "real" socialist revolutions, and so on. Right? Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 17:57 on Apr 20, 2022 |
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Apr 20, 2022 17:54
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yah I think the problem w trotsky and people who really really identify with him is that most people don’t want to be revolutionaries, they want to do other poo poo
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Apr 20, 2022 18:32
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as long as the forces of capital exist anywhere in the world they will do their best to wreck any socialist movement and they have a virtually unbroken track record of succeeding at doing that. so yeah, sure people want to do stuff other than be revolutionaires but if they want a world where they're not oppressed they still need to put the work in
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Apr 20, 2022 19:46
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IDK where else to post this, but it looks like the unionization dam has broken in the US. First it was Amazon, then a bunch of Starbucks (I think 5 so far) and now an Apple store: https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1516840462270664705 It's been a long loving time since I felt hopeful for the future.
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Apr 20, 2022 20:08
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sure but there’s a hundred years of data on arguing what people ought to do and the results do not seem very promising. it’s a good theory that unfortunately doesn’t appear to have been validated in practice. no hate though, whatever gets people involved
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Apr 20, 2022 20:10
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Cpt_Obvious posted:IDK where else to post this, but it looks like the unionization dam has broken in the US. First it was Amazon, then a bunch of Starbucks (I think 5 so far) and now an Apple store: looking forward to hamfisted woke union bashing from tim cook lol
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Apr 20, 2022 20:12
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Cpt_Obvious posted:IDK where else to post this, but it looks like the unionization dam has broken in the US. First it was Amazon, then a bunch of Starbucks (I think 5 so far) and now an Apple store: i tried to unionize linux programmers but i forgot to send the invitations in unix time i tried to union microsoft pr- 
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Apr 20, 2022 20:57
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the thing about "permanent revolution" is it means like three different things depending on who's saying it. like mao explicitly proclaimed "permanent revolution" as a guiding precept and so launched the cultural revolution in order to fight bureaucratic stagnation or whatever and yet mysteriously trotskyists are not very generous to mao the reason is that in trotsky's mouth "permanent revolution" was SPECIFICALLY counterposed to "socialism in one country" and stood for the idea that the USSR needed to desperately fund domestic terrorism in/outright invade germany or whatever because russia's peasantry was too stupid to build socialism and if we didn't get the first world on our side we were done for. otherwise there is no actual contradiction between the idea that socialists should defend and consolidate their gains on one hand and push radicalism and continuing social transformation on the other. why doesn't china's series of transformations and developments in response to changing world conditions count as "permanent revolution"? hmm i wonder
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Apr 20, 2022 22:09
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apropos to nothing posted:trot is just a word used to describe people that communism-larpers dont like. it means whatever anyone wants at any moment. the largest trotskyist organization in the US is socialist alternative. the largest in the world is socialist alternative. i say that not to brag or something but more like, if you wanna describe "the trots" then you should look to the largest and most influential grouping that actually describes itself that way, or you can mention the specific grouping that you think are stupid and describe what they did thats stupid. i think maoists and stalinists are wrong and dumb but i dont call the red guard groupings "the maoists" theyre just mentally unwell people. the maoists in the us are frso, the stalinists in the us are cpusa. it's called an ushanka
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Apr 20, 2022 22:22
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double nine posted:IDGI, did he only start banging that drum when he got sidelined or was he more nuanced about it or what? was he hypocritical about it or sth? as his own say on important matters diminished, Trotsky began to complain louder and louder that the Revolution was failing itself due to reasons, however said reasons were not exactly a problem before that, as Trotsky was fully committed with war communism, the cheka, mobilization, etc basically "my good brother and comrade, so what's the reasoning here: what are doing now is bureaucratic oppression, but when you were secretary of war it was revolutionary?" Ferrinus posted:the thing about "permanent revolution" is it means like three different things depending on who's saying it which leads to one of the most important criticisms of trotskyism: when Stalin and co. decided to end the new economic plan, for the most part, Stalin was totally in favor and in some cases doing the exact same poo poo Trotsky some time before, especially in terms of industrialization. Late Trotsky's writing just screams "it wasn't done my way" when you look at that angle The actually awful part is that, because of the loving mess of the time, a lot of A+/S-tier marxists got axed as they were with the Left Opposition and Trotsky sort of took it over, but many of them were hardcore Leninists whose disagreements with Stalin were over methodology and organization (like "bro there are other economic strategies we can pursue but you totally should not do dekulakization with a massive party crisis going on at the same time")
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Apr 20, 2022 22:46
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the problem with trotskyism, is that it's full of trots
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Apr 20, 2022 22:52
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dead gay comedy forums posted:as his own say on important matters diminished, Trotsky began to complain louder and louder that the Revolution was failing itself due to reasons, however said reasons were not exactly a problem before that, as Trotsky was fully committed with war communism, the cheka, mobilization, etc and of course "if it's not me doing it it's being done wrong" ends up taking you to very unfortunate places if you're a westerner talking about liberation struggles in the global south
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Apr 20, 2022 23:14
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goons loving rock lol this thread is dead as hell and then the moment I post you get pages of people convincing themselves why trotsky is bad cause obviously thats the pressing issue of the day. why dont yall post about poo poo that should be done or that youre doing or point towards an organization youre a member of or people should join if you wanna be serious politics dorks or if you want it to be a funny thread then try actually being funny.
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Apr 20, 2022 23:48
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dead gay comedy forums posted:as his own say on important matters diminished, Trotsky began to complain louder and louder that the Revolution was failing itself due to reasons, however said reasons were not exactly a problem before that, as Trotsky was fully committed with war communism, the cheka, mobilization, etc lol ok this ones funny though yeah bro if only trotsky hadnt got all those S+ tier marxists killed, unfortunately stalin didnt have a choice even though he loved all of them and killing them set his r&d platform back he had to though to stop the infection from spreading across all of mother base
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Apr 20, 2022 23:51
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the stalinist is full of impotent rage and jealousy because the anarchist gets to punch nazis, the trotskyist gets political organizations and the maoist gets to actively do poo poo all across the global south
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Apr 21, 2022 00:18
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Ferrinus posted:you haven't even contradicted me there because israel IS run by and for white people!!! you can safely both-sides israel and hamas without at all upsetting the CIA Since majority of israeli jews are mizrahi, it's more of a lightskin ethnostate
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Apr 21, 2022 01:47
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The Voice of Labor posted:the stalinist is full of impotent rage and jealousy because the anarchist gets to punch nazis, the trotskyist gets political organizations and the maoist gets to actively do poo poo all across the global south oh yeah buddy trotskyists definitely get political organizations
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Apr 21, 2022 06:23
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i am developing new and more annoying political tendencies to revive the thread is "anarcho-dengism" a thing yet
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Apr 21, 2022 18:16
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There is no contrivance of political alignment that a person cannot make claim to. People are fully capable of containing contradicting beliefs inside of their head.
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