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Skwirl posted:Part of it is back then they didn't really think it was that bad. It's crazy how seemingly every pre-90s rock star was a piece of poo poo. People are rightfully calling out Jared Leto today, but Bowie / The Rolling Stones / etc wrote lyrics about little girls being more fun or molested teenage groupies or straight up adopted children as sex slaves (!?!). Society was seriously hosed up if that wasn't scandalized and I suddenly realize how scary it was for non-adult-males before feminism. It's still not equitable but jesus christ the 70s. Kurt Cobain era stars probably called those guys predatory pedophiles and refused to get near any Epstein party poo poo. Like Bill Gates flying to the island all the time and his wife divorcing his rear end. Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Apr 18, 2022 |
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Analytic Engine posted:It's crazy how seemingly every pre-90s rock star was a piece of poo poo. People are rightfully calling out Jared Leto today, but Bowie / The Rolling Stones / etc wrote lyrics about little girls being more fun or molested teenage groupies or straight up adopted children as sex slaves (!?!). Society was seriously hosed up if that wasn't scandalized and I suddenly realize how scary it was for non-adult-males before feminism. It's still not equitable but jesus christ the 70s. loving what? You think that musicians somehow magically stopped trying to bang underage girls in the 90s and had some higher standard of morals? That poo poo never stopped. Burger Records was a local Socal indie icon that closed down last year after accusations/investigations and was essentially a hangout for high school girls to get offered booze and drugs on the regular by the bands hanging out in the back rooms.
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CPL593H posted:If you're talking about the Conan thing then yeah I get that much. But it's still really weird seeing people laugh at that story. She's there making it kind of silly but you can tell she's not okay. But people are cracking up because not only can they not read that body language and certain cues they just don't take it seriously because her assailant is a small man. The whole thing is pretty gross. It also highlights the overall problem that poo poo like this has been known about a lot of people in the entertainment industry either inside of it or publicly and it's only now that people are even starting to take any of it seriously. I meant the Jimmy Saville thing, (he would take 13 year olds to business lunches) but yeah it applies there too.
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If you start from the assumption that nobody is a creep then the older guys look like outliers. I believe you and it's probably just the record companies becoming savvier with PR and realizing average fans aren't as monstrous. nowadays and will ask questions if that stuff goes public. Then again people still believe MJ
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's become increasingly obvious in recent years that England is basically a paedophile ring with a flag. As a resident of the inbred, Eton-fop lead, backward, xenophobic, serf filled cesspit that is the UK... you're right. We laugh at Americans for white washing their history but somehow miss the irony of how we are pathologically obsessed with WW2, worship Winston Churchill (an evil gently caress), will buy ANYTHING with a Spitfire or a Union Jack on it and are conditioned to not question our "betters" unless our tabloid rags tell us to. We are told to wish for the "good old days" as we joke about rape in boarding schools and churches, we accept that our politicians are self serving, corrupt, untouchable toffs who can do as they please because it's just the way it is and always has been. Slight deviation here, but stay with me... and apologies for the looooong post Another thing the UK has is this pathetic worship of "old school gangsters" and anything to do with the Kray twins (see that Tom Hardy film for some white washing). There's a rose tinted fantasy of "there was less crime because they looked out for everyone and had a cup of tea with their mum". Nobody mentions the high level paedophile rings they were involved with, sharing boys with sitting members of parliament and the fact that their pedo-ring connections allowed them to operate as lovely celebrity gangsters until they were finally stupid enough to cross lines that couldn't be covered up. Fast forward to more recent years and the "London gangsters" still sell a gently caress-tonne of books. Autobiographies from every two-bit nobody who's dad knew a guy who poured a pint for Ronnie Kray's dog or whatever. One of the biggest sellers being Lenny Mclean - a mountain of a creature, tabloids loved his bullshit, was in a couple of brit crime movies, got cancer and died. But all of that crowd LOVED the old celebs from a certain era and there was always an inner circle of british celebs who were "in with the gangsters" and the public lapped it up. I mention Mclean because there was a lovely cash in book released after his death by some journalist that was with him in his final year as his mind was starting to go (I had to read it for reasons). Going from memory here, Mclean pointed to a "very prolific, national treasure with royal connections" and basically said he's a known nonce and he'd "had some because of it". Then the "journalist" made a big speech about how revealing it would "rock the country to it's core", but "that information was not for sale" because it was told in confidence and there was a code. This institutionalised obedience to the establishment and our tabloids telling us who to hate and who to love for so long has left us with a country tailor made for prolific paedophiles to wallow in. And we were too busy laughing at lovely Carry On films teaching us that it's all a bit of a laugh and stand up comedians kept it going. It's hard to grasp how ingrained into the inner workings of our country it really is. It's only thanks to social media and alternate news sources that we're finally seeing any traction now because all we had before was the same billionaires protecting millionaires protecting royals as our news sources. We all knew Gary Glitter was a creepy gently caress, but the "old guard" would say "yeah, but he was a great entertainer and it's just his image" as he played all the variety shows and was loved by the right people. If he hadn't have literally given a laptop full of child porn to a tech shop (and been "unlucky" enough to have someone report it to the "wrong" people instead of the police) he'd still be operating today. Sure, he was thrown under the bus by our tabloids once it was out, but his friends that knew he wasn't going to roll over and give them up because they knew drat well that the tabloids would run with a story how the evil Glitter was "trying to save himself by throwing vile slurs at beloved legends like Rolf and Jimmy". And it would have worked because that's how the british think. Our tabloids are insanely powerful and do not care about printing lies. There are no consequences. A girl was murdered and her landlord was crucified by them because he looked creepy - and they kept doubling down because the money generated by the drama was worth more than the compensation they had to pay out. These same tabloids decide which royals we approve of (hint - not the black one), who is guilty, who is creepy and who we should blame for our problems. They decide who should get a second chance, who was "technically convicted of rape but they're ok now", who was accused by vindictive fans, who we vote for, who's star shall ascend and ultimately who will take the fall when a scandal gets so big it can no longer be contained. Prince Andrew was always seen as a pointless royal, but would have carried on playing with young girls on taxpayer money until he died if he hadn't gone and shot himself in the foot so hard in THAT interview. In the old days that interview would have been buried, forgotten about and "lost". Now it's on the internet forever. Luckily the tabloids had a Megan Markle story to distract us, but it was too late. 2022 Britain is the uncle at the family gathering who still thinks he's the big player but everyone else refuses to leave their children with him while hoping he'll quietly go away and die so we don't have to hear any more of his stories TL:DR - Britain is a pedo paradise and we're trained to accept it
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I know it can be almost comforting to think these types of things are restricted to our stupid little island, but they arnt. You only have to cross the channel to find people like Gabriel Matzneff. But the language barrier makes these stories travel less.
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Mega Comrade posted:I know it can be almost comforting to think these types of things are restricted to our stupid little island, but they arnt. You only have to cross the channel to find people like Gabriel Matzneff. But the language barrier makes these stories travel less. Oh absolutely. But it's been a deep part of the British institution culture for generations. So many of our colonies back in the empire days were playgrounds for the right people to have their fun far from civilisation. And as you say, the language barrier is an issue along with our mentality of "it's somewhere foreign so it doesn't matter". Hell, the tabloids slated Gary Glitter for going to Cambodia in his exile - but nobody actually cared about the "services" offered there after he'd been chucked out for bringing bad publicity to the tourist industry there. Not to mention a lot of the European countries tracing their own royal roots back to us and the network being truly global. It's hard not to sound like a raving conspiracy nut shouting about alien-clone Clinton selling babies to satanic sex cults, but even as recently as the 90s there were still Catholic institutions in Ireland that were dealing in selling babies to (mostly unsuspecting) American families that were ripped from their "sinful" mothers and thousands of them neglected, died and buried in a sewer. The documentary is not easy watching and will make you want to go out and punch a nun. When things like that were (and probably still are) happening within less than a generation ago, it's not hard to believe that there are child trafficking rings operating with some powerful players protecting them. All these interwoven institutions love power and money, but they always inevitably come back to "creepy old men want to gently caress young girls/boys". To get back on topic, Hollywood and the music industry is no different. It's a place full of desperate young people conditioned to believe in a dream who will do anything to achieve it, and there are men with money willing to exploit that. And we're all conditioned to accept it because "the casting couch" has been turned into a joke in plain sight, we see terrible acting and think "she must be great in bed to get this role" and we let the movie industry tell us who is "difficult", who is in favour, who is a terrible person, etc. As terrible as the BBC is/was, it's got nothing on the monster that is Hollywood 
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I think there was a valid point in the post about the type of musicians that came up at the same time as Kurt Cobain going out of their way to criticize the sex fiends and rapist culture stemming from the classic rock phase of American culture. Not in the least led by Kurt, who went out of his way to write them into his lyrics, but mostly bolstered by more diverse voices and especially women having a more central spot in musicdom. I'd argue rapist culture in high level music has been more open to criticism and revelation due to the above, but maybe just as importantly, the destruction and decay of the monolithic music and record industry that sought to protect their investments; white men told by society that they can have sex with whomever they want. And the last part is why my hackles get raised whenever people knowingly nod at each other or joke about how much loving musicians can get, bc it's that attitude that blurs the lines between consent and rape, and I tend to see it everywhere. And like another poster noted. Sexual assault is still happening in the music industry, like it is whenever there are men that have some power or fascination over younger or more vulnerable ppl, and a larger culture around them that goes out of their way to excuse their actions. Anyways that's my speech.
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Shageletic posted:I think there was a valid point in the post about the type of musicians that came up at the same time as Kurt Cobain going out of their way to criticize the sex fiends and rapist culture stemming from the classic rock phase of American culture. Not in the least led by Kurt, who went out of his way to write them into his lyrics, but mostly bolstered by more diverse voices and especially women having a more central spot in musicdom. It also helped that the excesses of the late 80s and early 90s were starting to become unfashionable and the grunge scene's appeal was that it wasn't seduced by the classic slimey record execs and coke fuelled orgies. Obviously in reality it ended up as manufactured as anything else, but it meant that there was a brief generation that could speak out a bit more and not be shut down by some reptile from the classic LA style record companies. Kind of like how someone mentioned before that young Brad Pitt's star was rising enough that he could confront Weinstein whereas an older Pitt knows he's reliant on keeping the machine running. The Motley Crue style big stadium excess rock parties with abused groupies and utterly insane amount of drugs were suddenly no longer cool and something to aspire to. Most of the guys from that era were either dead, falling apart, not turning up to shows or just turning into caricatures of an age that was slipping away. Suddenly it was cool to say "whatever" to the plastic bimbo banging poodle boys and hang out with the un-glamorous, more "normal" people. Obviously the drug scene still followed and we all know how that ended up, but there aren't as many sex scandals because they just didn't sell anymore. The Bowie types were kind of worse than the blatant rocker sleazeballs because they didn't have a blatant smokescreen of in your face debauchery like the LA types. They were "artists" and not seen as predators because they had muses rather than groupies, and they cultivated the image of an artistic world that we would be privileged to glimpse. But either way, women got the short end of the stick (literally with Metallica). If they got abused at a Motley Crue style party they'd be told "well what the gently caress did you expect going there?!" and if they got taken advantage of by a David Bowie type they were either told that they should be grateful to be allowed into his world or just outright told that nobody would believe them and they'd be a pariah.
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quote:But either way, women got the short end of the stick (literally with Metallica). If they got abused at a Motley Crue style party they'd be told "well what the gently caress did you expect going there?!" and if they got taken advantage of by a David Bowie type they were either told that they should be grateful to be allowed into his world or just outright told that nobody would believe them and they'd be a pariah. This is pretty reminiscent, like an earlier poster mentioned, of Burger records, a supposedly hip and mainstream eschewing indie label, that nonetheless hosted and catered to sexual predators. One bit of light on this is that at least in the age of social media, these stories are much more likely to come out.
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Dog_Meat posted:The Motley Crue style big stadium excess rock parties with abused groupies and utterly insane amount of drugs were suddenly no longer cool and something to aspire to. Most of the guys from that era were either dead, falling apart, not turning up to shows or just turning into caricatures of an age that was slipping away. Suddenly it was cool to say "whatever" to the plastic bimbo banging poodle boys and hang out with the un-glamorous, more "normal" people. Obviously the drug scene still followed and we all know how that ended up, but there aren't as many sex scandals because they just didn't sell anymore. I'm going to suggest avoiding phrases like "plastic bimbo" when talking about groupies, even when the point is to insult the excesses of the men who treated them badly. Terms like that helped to justify the victim blaming that you go on to talk about. And as someone who was active in a local indie/alternative scene for the second half of the 90s (both as a fan and for work), there were still plenty of "normal" shitheads taking advantage of fans and younger artists. The music and overall culture may not have glamorized abusing women in the same way, but the dirtbags in that crowd benefited from 20+ years of public perceptions of how rock musicians could treat women as well as the more widespread understanding that it was pointless for a victim to report anything if they'd been drinking, or even just willingly hanging out with someone, before they were hurt. I heard devastating whisper network poo poo about some guys I'd never have suspected based on their lyrics or interviews or public reputations. Not that you can believe every rumor you hear, but before everyone had social media and cell phones, our options for protecting ourselves were gossip and just flat-out keeping an eye on one another. Having higher profile male musicians calling out sexism did help, but holy poo poo did it used to piss me off that that was ever needed in the first place, that so many men weren't willing to see these things as real issues until they were told to by other guys.
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It's a small gesture, and maybe The Shins are creeps in some way I don't know, but IIRC they kicked out a good drummer because he beat his girlfriend Edit: I realize I've been spamming this thread, so I'm going to chill down and stop posting. Looking forward to reading instead of talking. Analytic Engine fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 18, 2022 |
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Mega Comrade posted:I know it can be almost comforting to think these types of things are restricted to our stupid little island, but they arnt. You only have to cross the channel to find people like Gabriel Matzneff. But the language barrier makes these stories travel less. Exactly. Like England isn't anything special and has it's own horrible history, and people with backwards ways of thinking but just lol if someone thinks it's any worse than practically any other country in the world when it comes to sex pests, xenophobia etc. The idea that it is somehow worse than 90% of most countries reeks of spending too much time online and basically selectively viewing the cesspit of the nations posts, selective news articles etc and assuming well that's how everyone on the island must be. It's absolutely blown up more because the stories from other countries either travel less or just don't get uncovered whatsoever, in fact the reason many of these stories do get uncovered is because, love them or hate them (you should probably hate them), we have tabloid journalists that will pounce on absolutely any blood in the water if they're able, so discovering someone is a nonce is going to fill the papers and be all over the place, of course in the 80s etc this would largely be ignored, but that was the culture practically around the world, same as sexual assault was largely glossed over in many places before the me too movement but you take any Western, Asian, African etc country and you absolutely will find a chunk of people who are repugnant and prey on the weak, England isn't unique here. That random rant about the Krays is weird also, every country romanticizes their successful outlaws/ gangsters, and 99% of people who enjoy the stuff about the Krays have zero idea about any sort of praying on boys etc. The whole rant is weird honestly, reducing a population of 70 million to a single mentality. Like I've lived here all my life and haven't known a single person who gave any gently caress about buying anything with a Spitfire on it or a Union Jack, maybe the odd older person in their 70s when it came to like the Queen's Jubilee but that's basically it. Maybe if you go to Youtube and watch clips from The Charge of the Light Brigade or something you'll see some weird fucks commenting about how they wish the Empire was still around but come on. England has many issues, of course, especially when it comes to class, people from a certain age group seeing those like the upper class Tories, with their posh accents and money and therefore assuming they're our betters and must be better qualified to say, run the country, than any one else, but frankly that is slowly being phased out of the population, and you wont find many people in their 20s and 30s who give a gently caress about the royal family, myself included, or who have any love for the Tories unless they themselves are from a well off family, and that is just pure self preservation because they know their policies benefit those with money. But that whole class thing probably has allowed people committing all sorts of crimes to evade the justice they deserve, but that literally goes on in every single country, the rich and powerful get away with things us normal people could never, but that happens with any sort of power dynamic and it's why it's so prevalent in Hollywood. Also I think the days of the Royals being protected and not having certain stories reported by the tabloids are pretty much well and truly gone, Andrew showed that, but it's been slowly happening for the last couple decades, and once the Queen is dead there's absolutely zero love for them and it's going to be gloves off for any whiff of a story they can dig up. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Analytic Engine posted:Preface: thanks for the context UK goons There is a book called In Plain Sight, apparently it's good https://www.amazon.ca/Plain-Sight-L...aps%2C96&sr=8-1
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El Gallinero Gros posted:There is a book called In Plain Sight, apparently it's good nice
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Just Chamber posted:Greatness. Good post.
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deety posted:I'm going to suggest avoiding phrases like "plastic bimbo" when talking about groupies, even when the point is to insult the excesses of the men who treated them badly. Terms like that helped to justify the victim blaming that you go on to talk about. Good point - the intention was to call out the sleazy rock scene but just shows that it's so ingrained that I didn't even think about it Just Chamber posted:
We're probably just from different parts of the UK with different experiences. I live in the darkest part of the midlands, so I'm in among the Brexit loving, sink-the-boats, Corbyn is a terrorist crowd where The Sun is seen as real journalism. The UK equivalent of being stuck in a red state full of Trump worshippers. The military fetishism and tribal hate is very real here. I basically live in the community version of Youtube comments where Chubby Brown is still seen as funny ("gently caress what the woke brigade think"), "Maggie would have sent the lads to Ukraine and sorted it", "Boris is doing his best" and "there was no crime when the Krays ran things". I also personally know a lot of older abuse victims (male and female) who still see their abusers as untouchable and say "well what can you do?". Of course the entire country isn't like that, and of course I'd still rather live here than countries that actively suppress media and freedoms - but we're changing and it's ugly. I see the people around me falling for rhetoric constantly, being whipped up into the angry mob and herded towards whatever they are required to vote for. You're right though - when the queen finally dies I think we'll finally sever that link to WW2 and the obsession might ease off a bit. And the younger generation are doing an amazing job of calling bullshit on nationalism and all the old institutions that were untouchable before. That combined with social media and the ability to record so much gives me hope that things will improve and stamp out a lot of the deep rooted problems. I just hope there's something left for them when they're finally running things.
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Dog_Meat posted:You're right though - when the queen finally dies I think we'll finally sever that link to WW2 and the obsession might ease off a bit. And the younger generation are doing an amazing job of calling bullshit on nationalism and all the old institutions that were untouchable before. That combined with social media and the ability to record so much gives me hope that things will improve and stamp out a lot of the deep rooted problems. I just hope there's something left for them when they're finally running things. You say that like they're ever going to be allowed to run things. There is no shortage of worthless failchildren waiting their turn in the big chair.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You say that like they're ever going to be allowed to run things. There is no shortage of worthless failchildren waiting their turn in the big chair. Also sadly true... but when there is literally nothing left to sell, nothing left to exploit and everyone who can make money has cashed out and run then we might get to build something out of the ashes. The last time Britain truly built something to benefit others (NHS, social housing, etc) was after the war as there was literally nothing left to exploit. And even then there was opposition to it. Unfortunately I seem to have derailed the thread - back to powerful sex offenders!
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thrawn527 posted:Good post. Seems weird to post a bunch of paragraphs in the sexual assault thread to defend Britain but maybe that's just me
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Shageletic posted:Seems weird to post a bunch of paragraphs in the sexual assault thread to defend Britain but maybe that's just me I feel like keeping the discussion rational and level headed when it comes to topics/ a topic as serious as this is important. Plus it largely went off topic anyway. But yea not a fan of people tarring a whole country ( one I live in) with a disgusting brush when the sad reality is perhaps their country doesn't seem as bad because their country isn't actually investigating this stuff and haven't had anybody uncovering whatever repugnant poo poo went on with their people in power. The sad thing is it just feels like people smugly looking across at England, Hollywood etc and going "heh at least my country isn't as bad/ doesn't have a bunch of abusers" when actually it goes on everywhere and that's loving depressing. Also I barely like the country I live in so I don't really see it as defending Britain, more just trying to keep things a bit more in check with reality. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Shageletic posted:Seems weird to post a bunch of paragraphs in the sexual assault thread to defend Britain but maybe that's just me That completely ignores the context of the post, including the earlier posts to which it was responding. It's not weird at all if you read the full page it was posted on.
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Just Chamber posted:I feel like keeping the discussion rational and level headed when it comes to topics/ a topic as serious as this is important. Plus it largely went off topic anyway. But yea not a fan of people tarring a whole country ( one I live in) with a disgusting brush when the sad reality is perhaps their country doesn't seem as bad because their country isn't actually investigating this stuff and haven't had anybody uncovering whatever repugnant poo poo went on with their people in power. The sad thing is it just feels like people smugly looking across at England, Hollywood etc and going "heh at least my country isn't as bad/ doesn't have a bunch of abusers" when actually it goes on everywhere and that's loving depressing.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Dog_Meat's country is England, they mention it in the posts above. That's even the reason for the weird particulars. Doesn't make them right but it ain't someone trying to pretend their own country is better. I know, I'm mainly referring to who they quoted and others itt that set them off. edit: anyway this topic shouldnt be about this so I'm just personally drawing a line under it and hopefully thread can move on Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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LionArcher posted:Justice for Jonny depp is trending. I watched some of his testimony, but I had to turn it off. Either he turned up to the thing drunk, or he’s such a hardcore drinker that he has permanent drunk voice now. It’s probably the latter.
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sponges posted:British gangsters seem so quaint to me. Do they even have guns? According to Gangs of London they have enough guns to form an army.
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They're doing a tv spinoff of the mostly forgettable and forgotten 1994 kevin spacey movie swimming with sharks??? 28 years later??? How bizarre. Truly nothing is ever dead. Can't wait for a streaming service to announce a DEATH TO SMOOCHY tv series in 2038
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Punkin Spunkin posted:They're doing a tv spinoff of the mostly forgettable and forgotten 1994 kevin spacey movie swimming with sharks??? 28 years later??? I would watch the poo poo out of that.
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thrawn527 posted:I would watch the poo poo out of that. Loved the hell out of DtS on Comedy Central. Never understood the hate for it, seemed just as funny as the movies CC ran all day and considerably less nihilistic (jesus CHRIST Very Bad Things)
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Punkin Spunkin posted:They're doing a tv spinoff of the mostly forgettable and forgotten 1994 kevin spacey movie swimming with sharks??? 28 years later??? Ed Norton's gotta eat.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:They're doing a tv spinoff of the mostly forgettable and forgotten 1994 kevin spacey movie swimming with sharks??? 28 years later??? Weird ending too. Kevin Spacey just goes back to work.
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sponges posted:British gangsters seem so quaint to me. Do they even have guns? What would they need one for? Ze Germans?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:What would they need one for? Ze Germans? And here I thought my friends and I were the only ones who made that reference.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's become increasingly obvious in recent years that England is basically a paedophile ring with a flag. 
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-7L1tmBAo Macdeo Lurjtux posted:What would they need one for? Ze Germans? Yeah, real gangsters use their pig farm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3qy4Zv4snI
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