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Gervasius posted:Here's a nice thread from a milhist goon that pretty much debunks "ukranians fought for the nazis in WW2" myth that pops up occasionally. Yeah this also points out how ridiculous it is to dismiss Ukraine as simply an occupied part of the USSR. 2 million Ukrainians died in the Red Army. 100k ever fought in the UPA. Many Ukrainian units pre-2014 even had st george's ribbons on their standards. Now Russia claims to own WWII and all of Eastern Europe loves to help them by putting up statues to random fringe freaks Putin loves Hungary though, literally an axis power and proud of it
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Warbadger posted:I mean, there has been. Russian fascism didn't just spring into existence in 2022 or 2014. But that haven't been and in many cases isn't a threat to large parts of Europe.
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Alchenar posted:Oh I knew about the factory but I did not know that the US has 4000 Abrams in storage. Nothing stops the us from filling a few ships of them, telling every nato member which operates soviet armor derivatives to "upgrade" and give their "old" tanks to ukraine.
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Kraftwerk posted:The crazy thing to me is that many European armies outside those fielding a mix of upgraded Warsaw Pact weapons with new NATO weapons (i.e. Czechia) have basically no means to domestically spool up a large defense production system. A guy I went to school with works for an arms manufacturer and apparently, as thrilled as they are about all the immediate sales, they're at least as pumped about everyone discovering their stockpiles are nowhere near enough to conduct a serious ground war.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/russia-deployed-20000-mercenaries-ukraine-donbas-region yeah i have been seeing pictures pop of up dead libyan mercs and stuff. i guess russia is just using mercs as canon fodder now. Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1516484204544118784?s=20&t=QPEBqozTigqrY1rSYrz0xw i wouldnt be shocked if they are still probing OR they are doing the trickle down waves poo poo like they did before.
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What an interesting list https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1516496893756456960?s=20&t=nqHdZerINC0VGtLbKjC4yQ
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FishBulbia posted:Putin loves Hungary though, literally an axis power and proud of it
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KitConstantine posted:What an interesting list is there something interesting i am missing here
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/russia-deployed-20000-mercenaries-ukraine-donbas-region I wish that article had more of a source than "a European official".
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eke out posted:is there something interesting i am missing here A lot of heavy hitters to have all on one call, especially one that I don't think was publicly announced much in advance. But more interesting in combination with the rumored 6th package of sanctions coming next week Edit: Germany and I think France and Italy to a lesser extent have all been very skeptical of Oil/Gas sanctions as well. If they get on board then they could probably bully Hungary into closing ranks. But that's some hopium speaking
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eke out posted:is there something interesting i am missing here Justin Trudeau's name for one thing
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Count Roland posted:I wish that article had more of a source than "a European official". yeah it's an extraordinary claim that's like an order of magnitude more mercs than anyone else has ever reported on, seems sketchy
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah i have been seeing pictures pop of up dead libyan mercs and stuff. i guess russia is just using mercs as canon fodder now. Unfortunately, they might send them after the assault as mop-up and civilian subjugation.
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eke out posted:is there something interesting i am missing here G7 plus Romania, Poland, eu figureheads and nato leadership. I would say that if Hungary didn't had a Russian stooge at the helm they should have been there but so does the Baltic republics. Maybe their video call solution had a limited room size? Who knows
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re: Romania: https://mobile.twitter.com/Miyhnea/status/1516430599552225286?cxt=HHwWjMC-zZHmuIsqAAAA Links to an article about their plans, but it's, well, in Romanian. Edit: important follow up: https://mobile.twitter.com/Miyhnea/status/1516465756946538507?cxt=HHwWloC9zcjkyIsqAAAA OddObserver fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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OddObserver posted:re: Romania: Pff, by central/Eastern European standards, Romanian is easy. Its Hungarian is straight-up impossible. Edit: I am a dumb dumb, Romanian is a romance language with a load of imported slavic words. It is structurally romance. Pookah fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Apr 20, 2022 |
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OddObserver posted:re: Romania: Interesting that the article linked in the tweet itself links to this article: https://romanialibera.ro/la-zi/investigatii-romania-libera/incognito/romania-poate-oferi-ucrainei-avioane-produse-in-fosta-urss/ Which mostly discusses aircraft Romania could send (old MiG-21s and MiG-29s).
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KitConstantine posted:Italy to a lesser extent have all been very skeptical of Oil/Gas sanctions as well Italian public opinion has been to cut everything from Russia, prices be damned since late feb and that europarliament resolution about cutting every hydrocarbon import was signed by every Italian member but Calenda. The only voting block that has shown opposition to embargoes has been coldiretti (agriculture/food production union) which seems unhappy about local copies being sold instead of the real Italian stock. On the politician front i didn't hear anything in opposition to further hydrocarbon embargoes on newspapers or tv. The biggest opposition was to export embargoes on luxury goods(yachts in particular), once those items were put on the eu list there was little to fight on.
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Pookah posted:Pff, by central/Eastern European standards, Romanian is easy. Its a slavic language with a shitload of Latin. Anyone with a grasp of the standard romance languages can fuddle through in Romanian. Romanian isn't a slavic language. Romance with some slavic loans.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1516499879329411072
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Pookah posted:Pff, by central/Eastern European standards, Romanian is easy. Its a slavic language with a shitload of Latin. It's a Romance language.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1516499879329411072 Just sending a dozen deconstructed A-10s with IKEA style assembly instructions
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yeah i assume this means that someone else has actually given them some MiGs finally, since the US already committed to helicopters and the Pentagon spox wouldn't have to be so cagey about it https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1516504135260123143
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Youth Decay posted:Just sending a dozen deconstructed A-10s with IKEA style assembly instructions The Ikea(TM) BRRRAP.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:The Ikea(TM) BRRRAP. 
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Deformed Church posted:A guy I went to school with works for an arms manufacturer and apparently, as thrilled as they are about all the immediate sales, they're at least as pumped about everyone discovering their stockpiles are nowhere near enough to conduct a serious ground war. Yeah, I wonder if militaries come out of this with the compromise of "fine, we'll stop asking to raise 20 infantry divisions, but for the love of all that's holy we need 500M rounds of small arms ammo to start. We'll send you our ammunition requirements for grenades, mortar rounds, and hand-held missiles in the morning."
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HappyHippo posted:Could "aircraft" not just mean "helicopters"? It could also mean drones
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Kraftwerk posted:I know the US is everyone's least favorite country. But for this specific topic of military support to Ukraine I'm drat proud of them for stepping up to help. It's almost like it was enormously stupid for Russia to not only destroy its international reputation, expose its military inadequacies, and force the world to leverage crippling sanctions against it, but also to gift a huge diplomacy-building opportunity to its most hated enemy.
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It was funny when European ran out of ammo to bomb Libya. It was hilarious when they realized they'd run out of ammo to fight Russia even faster.
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Gervasius posted:It could also mean drones The switchblades are technically aircraft
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Wildeyes posted:It's almost like it was enormously stupid for Russia to not only destroy its international reputation, expose its military inadequacies, and force the world to leverage crippling sanctions against it, but also to gift a huge diplomacy-building opportunity to its most hated enemy. It turns out Putin wasn't some Nth dimensional chess master. He was just the dude who was willing to put more bodies in the ground and faster than his competition.
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1516499879329411072 Are they ‘lower receivering’ aircraft 
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Risky Bisquick posted:Are they ‘lower receivering’ aircraft 80% A-10 Warthog kits.
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Pretty decent video about the Moskva: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM4tAvnlL4. Among the interesting points I haven't noticed mentioned here: the AA missiles are not in a deployed/ready state, indicating that they may never have even seen the Neptunes coming, or the Neptunes may have been able to fly beneath their radar and engagement envelope. (Unclear whether it was a total surprise since the third defensive structure is inside the smoke and you can't see whether it's aiming at the likely attack direction.)
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Wildeyes posted:It's almost like it was enormously stupid for Russia to not only destroy its international reputation, expose its military inadequacies, and force the world to leverage crippling sanctions against it, but also to gift a huge diplomacy-building opportunity to its most hated enemy. It's mind boggling that Putin could have completely wrecked the US intelligence apparatus's reputation by simply not invading, "proving" that the US is a warmonger which just cries wolf at anything Russia does, and he just... didn't.
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Shifty Pony posted:It's mind boggling that Putin could have completely wrecked the US intelligence apparatus's reputation by simply not invading, "proving" that the US is a warmonger which just cries wolf at anything Russia does, and he just... didn't. Why would Putin care about that?
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Risky Bisquick posted:Are they ‘lower receivering’ aircraft "Hi here is your shipment of F16s that are missing the little green plastic cover that goes over the cockpit door ajar light. In completely unrelated news, here is a box of F16 cockpit door ajar light covers."
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