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Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

List is missing troubleshooter
Which I've also still yet to play but it's on deck



As in literally on my steam deck but I am trying to finish up Xenoblade first

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Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー


Bought Darwinia for the nostalgia (lost my original copy, no idea where I first bought it), really enjoyed it. Took 7 hours total, and that was me taking my sweet time doing alternative things, so it's a short game. The most surprising thing (other than the troll intros) was that by modern standards it's a chill RTS, since it was made back in the day when such things where still considered novel and cool gameplay. I miss RTS's.

Paid two bucks fifty local currency, absolutely worth.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
troubleshooter isn't really anything like any version of xcom.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
somerville keeps creeping up higher and higher on the Releasing Soon list and i'm toe-tapping a hole through the floor in anticipation

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

List is missing troubleshooter
Which I've also still yet to play but it's on deck



As in literally on my steam deck but I am trying to finish up Xenoblade first

It’s very good but it’s not xcom - gotta fight aliens or bust!

Also if I let it in then we’re flooded with the other good turn based squad sized tactical games.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Full mod support for Phoenix Point is actually the best news that game has ever gotten because its critical issue is that it feels janky in a way that modders love to try and fix, so if we're lucky someone will actually succeed.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

some new release dates

Research & Destroy (April 25th) (Gamepass) - Turn-based singleplayer third person shooter, akin to Codename STEAM but more twitchy, as you basically act in real-time during your turn and time/energy goes down as you move and shoot

Haiku the Robot (April 28th) - Another robot-centric Metroidvania, with an aesthetic similar to games like Kunai but seems not quite as crunchy action-wise, and more difficult platforming.

Out of the Park Baseball 23 (April 22nd) - Can't believe they've made 23 of these! Wow! idk if people still like this franchise or not

Eternal Threads (May 19th) - first person time-travel walking simulator investigation game where you are tasked with saving the victims of a house fire

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

K8.0 posted:

That's a developer thing. You just don't notice it with properly maintained games. Steam gives all the tools to handle updates well, some games just... don't.

It depends on how the game handles its files. Specifically, it mostly depends on whether the game resources exist as individual files, or as collections of data stored in large archive files.

When Steam updates a game, it analyzes your installed version of the game and the most current version of the game, then downloads only the differences in data between them. However, to implement those file changes, Steam has to take whatever files will be updated, and the downloaded change data associated with those files, and it has to create an entirely new file or files from that data.

Let's say the only thing in the game folder is a single, 10 GB archive file that contains every bit of data the game will access. Now, the devs release an update that has a very small 1 MB worth of difference between your installed version and the latest version. Steam downloads 1 MB of data, but that 1 MB of data has to be applied to the game's single 10 GB file. Basically, Steam has to use that 10 GB file along with that 1 MB of change data to create an entirely new 10 GB archive file, which will entirely replace the old file.

Basically, Steam can't simply overwrite just the bits of any given file that needs updating. It has to recreate each updated file from scratch by combining the old file with the newly downloaded update data. If the file being updated happens to be a 30 GB archive file, then Steam is going to have to recreate that entire 30 GB file no matter how close it is to the new version, even if only 1 MB of that 30 GB file changes.

That's why you see updates that have download sizes of like 1.5 GB but Steam reports it has to process like 45 GB worth of data for some games. Take the latest update for Elden Ring for example. Looking in the Elden Ring directory, I can see about 4 big archive files at around 2, 11, 12, and 19 GB. The latest update only downloaded a few gigs but there was about 45 GB worth of processing to apply the update, which means the majority of the update data was probably to those archives, which makes sense as there was a ton of weapon and spell rebalancing in that patch, and that data is most likely stored in those archive files.

GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Apr 20, 2022

goferchan
Feb 8, 2004

It's 2006. I am taking 276 yeti furs from the goodies hoard.
Good post there. For the record too, the Elden Ring patch that takes a long time to install on steam is roughly 1 gig on PS5 and installs in a few seconds. It's true devs could structure their patches differently to account for it, but Steam's architecture for game updates is a little antiquated

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Speaking of XCOM and XCOM-likes, there's also Warhammer 40k: Chaos Gate: Daemonhunters: Additional Subtitle coming out in a couple of weeks. It's basically "What if XCOM with Space Marines", which sounds like it could be a good time. There's been a fair bit of footage of it coming out recently which looks quite promising, like this big old stream of a full mission playthrough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4i1RC400QY&t=500s

I'm generally looking forwards to it, though I gotta say I lowkey hate that they went with Grey Knights, of all factions. I'm usually down for just about anything 40k, but Grey Knights can eat a dick. poo poo aesthetics, poo poo lore, poo poo mechanics, give me literally any other faction instead. :orks101:

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer
It is crazy that with 40k they have such a deep wealth of IP to draw from, with some crazy and inventive characters and races, and they inevitably build games around "what if humans but bigger" :vomarine:

Ripper Swarm
Sep 9, 2009

It's not that I hate it. It's that I loathe it.

Hollandia posted:

It is crazy that with 40k they have such a deep wealth of IP to draw from, with some crazy and inventive characters and races, and they inevitably build games around "what if humans but bigger" :vomarine:

Not that crazy. iirc, space marines outsell every other faction combined

Yes, even though tyranids are cooler AND cuter (indisputable fact)

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

I miss old Necrons.

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer

Ripper Swarm posted:

Not that crazy. iirc, space marines outsell every other faction combined

Yes, even though tyranids are cooler AND cuter (indisputable fact)
I was a nids guy, yeah.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Ripper Swarm posted:

Not that crazy. iirc, space marines outsell every other faction combined

Yes, even though tyranids are cooler AND cuter (indisputable fact)

Can You Pet The Tyranid?

The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 20, 2022

Pigbuster
Sep 12, 2010

Fun Shoe

K8.0 posted:

It has some fantastic missions that will produce some of the most fun moments you ever experience in a video game.

Unfortunately it also has a lot of really crap levels that amount to "Do the specific speedrun we intended with little to no creativity." If you don't mind putting up with a bunch of that, you'll have great fun with the rest.

To counter this, on my playthrough of one of Teardown's more restrictive levels I specifically tried to get a perfect run by refining my janky imperfect route rather than the more conventional one the game nudges you towards that most people end up going with. I spent an entire day working on it and man oh man did it feel phenomenal to pull it off in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl_0-n37pAk

It's incredibly good. It's like a puzzle game you can win in the completely incorrect way as long as you're willing to jam the wrong piece in the slot as hard as you can. I haven't played any of the early access updates, apparently there's a mall level? You can tear an entire mall apart??

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

Perestroika posted:

Speaking of XCOM and XCOM-likes, there's also Warhammer 40k: Chaos Gate: Daemonhunters: Additional Subtitle coming out in a couple of weeks. It's basically "What if XCOM with Space Marines", which sounds like it could be a good time. There's been a fair bit of footage of it coming out recently which looks quite promising, like this big old stream of a full mission playthrough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4i1RC400QY&t=500s

I'm generally looking forwards to it, though I gotta say I lowkey hate that they went with Grey Knights, of all factions. I'm usually down for just about anything 40k, but Grey Knights can eat a dick. poo poo aesthetics, poo poo lore, poo poo mechanics, give me literally any other faction instead. :orks101:

:hmmyes:

Everyone has a threshold where some ridiculously exaggerated cool thing turns from "wow, cool!" to "ugh, trying this hard? Lame!" and Grey Knights crossed mine. They are basically Space Marines for Space Marines and that whole thing is just dumb.

Warhammer 40k X-Com is an interesting enough concept to check out, but literally anyone else would be better as the focus.

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

Lt. Lizard posted:

Warhammer 40k X-Com is an interesting enough concept to check out, but literally anyone else would be better as the focus.

Kunning Blood Axe Warboss who decides that the waaaaagh is overrated and refuses to use anything else than 10-boyz kommandos waging asymmetric warfare on Imperial Guard and Chaos as the two are busy with each other.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Grey Knights are in fact the lamest of the Spice Marine chapters

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Serephina posted:



Bought Darwinia for the nostalgia (lost my original copy, no idea where I first bought it), really enjoyed it. Took 7 hours total, and that was me taking my sweet time doing alternative things, so it's a short game. The most surprising thing (other than the troll intros) was that by modern standards it's a chill RTS, since it was made back in the day when such things where still considered novel and cool gameplay. I miss RTS's.

Paid two bucks fifty local currency, absolutely worth.

It's incredible how good RTS are when they are made for single player first.

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

Antigravitas posted:

It's incredible how good RTS are when they are made for single player first.

Or simply when nobody tries too hard. And the AI rarely does.

I put Total Annihilation at the top of my list as far as RTS are concerned, but I'm under no illusion that I'd have hated it had I experienced it in the modern internet era instead of the LAN parties where we mostly tried a different stupid theme each game. All players being mostly equally bad at a game is an absolute sweetspot of entertainment for me, same reason why I love pvp in the early days/months of new mmos.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Lt. Lizard posted:

:hmmyes:

Everyone has a threshold where some ridiculously exaggerated cool thing turns from "wow, cool!" to "ugh, trying this hard? Lame!" and Grey Knights crossed mine. They are basically Space Marines for Space Marines and that whole thing is just dumb.

Warhammer 40k X-Com is an interesting enough concept to check out, but literally anyone else would be better as the focus.

To be fair, they’ve had at least one alright book, even if their codex stuff is awful. Good writers can turn pretty much any awful idea around.

Electric_Mud
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10

Sab669 posted:

Grey Knights are in fact the lamest of the Spice Marine chapters

I want to say no Ultramarines but, man Grey Knights suck.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Electric_Mud posted:

I want to say no Ultramarines but, man Grey Knights suck.

Ultramarines at least have some sort of purpose in being basically the boring Straight Man chapter that all the other marine chapters can deviate from. Grey Knights are just "the best of the best of the best of the best..." ad infinitum. Like a 10 year old breathlessly telling you about how the super hero they made up is the strongest and fastest and biggest and got laser eyes, but with none of the charm.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
I don't know much about GK lore other than they're the anti-daemon specialists, but they're more esoteric than other space marines, look cool, and haven't really shown up in any games before so I don't mind them featuring. :shrug:

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
Also I thought the Custodes were the "best of the best"

Angry Lobster
May 16, 2011

Served with honor
and some clarified butter.

Mordja posted:

Also I thought the Custodes were the "best of the best"

We all know who are the greatest:

https://youtu.be/RzuU7b2FNAU

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

Mordja posted:

I don't know much about GK lore other than they're the anti-daemon specialists, but they're more esoteric than other space marines, look cool, and haven't really shown up in any games before so I don't mind them featuring. :shrug:

I think they have some super edgy lore stuff like abducting and ritually murdering innocents in order to infuse their innocent blood into weapons/armour to make it demon-proof. Because paladins were not 40k enough so they needed to add some terrible secret in there.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

FishMcCool posted:

I think they have some super edgy lore stuff like abducting and ritually murdering innocents in order to infuse their innocent blood into weapons/armour to make it demon-proof. Because paladins were not 40k enough so they needed to add some terrible secret in there.

The guy who wrote this is no longer a writer for the GK or warhammer in general and their more current stuff is much, much different

Not gonna say its good, because the only good line in all of 40k is "the planet broke before the Guard did," but it is definitely different

Mordja posted:

Also I thought the Custodes were the "best of the best"

GK were (past tense now because of the Primaris) the best of the Space Marines. Custodes aren't Space Marines.

Anyway when the writers aren't busy trying to make them uber-edgy Grey Knights can be fun because they're classical paladins crossed with super secret black ops and psychic powers and generally only exist in the small scale because there's not many of them and they have to cover an entire galaxy. They're extreme schlock like the rest of 40k but there's more room for nuance in their stuff than you'd get out of the Ultramarines or Blood Angels or Space Wolves or whatever. Provided you're not the guy who just writes about them murdering virgin Battle Sisters to consecrate your weapon in their holy blood har har grimdark

PS Newcrons are the best because Tomb Kings are the best and violently turning your god into a power source for your planet sized space limo is an ideology I would like to champion

Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Apr 20, 2022

Mzbundifund
Nov 5, 2011

I'm afraid so.
I do like a good squad tactics game. All I know about the Grey Knights is they showed up in Soulstorm as a melee squad with better than average damage vs. big monster units but too expensive to be worth deploying unless you need that. Is the game bad if I don’t have any knowledge of/opinions about grey knight lore?

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Nah, it looks like it's trying to be Mechanicus but for the Inquisition this time. No prior knowledge necessary. If the game is bad, it will be because it is bad, not because of ~the lore~

I'll let you all know because I'm a mark and preordered it.

Serephina
Nov 8, 2005

恐竜戦隊
ジュウレンジャー
Yea, it's yet another 40k IP game. Looks spectacular, but the proof will be in the post-release pudding. I don't think I own a single title that could stand on it's own, gameplay-wise.


edit: Actually, I'm gonna correct myself here as I know I've probably just hit a long string of lemons.

Chaos Gate original: not bad, but certainly a knockoff. Did one or two interesting things.
Space hulk (2013): Faithful adaptation of a 1v1 board game into a single player game with no opponent, oops. Great assets, tho!
Dawn of War 2: Wasn't impressed by the campaign, I think I missed out on the first one which I heard was great.
Mechanicus: 10/10 sound design and game feel, 2/10 tactics game with 0/10 balance, yikes.
Gladius: Awful, tepid, no redeeming factors outside of screenshots.
Space Marine: Probably a good game and I own it due to bundles etc, but it's not my cup of tea sorry!

So yea, I'm really really skeptical of 40k IP stuff. Good looks and trailers do not cut it.

Serephina fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Apr 20, 2022

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Serephina posted:

Yea, it's yet another 40k IP game. Looks spectacular, but the proof will be in the post-release pudding. I don't think I own a single title that could stand on it's own, gameplay-wise.

Then you should Warhammer 40K: Space Marine to your collection, because that is actually a good fun game.



And now I just remembered it's finally getting a sequel :toot:

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!
I'm looking forward to 40k: Darktide (aka Vermintide 3)

Mr.Acula
May 10, 2009

Billions and billions of fat clouds

Hollandia posted:

It is crazy that with 40k they have such a deep wealth of IP to draw from, with some crazy and inventive characters and races, and they inevitably build games around "what if humans but bigger" :vomarine:

I'm patiently waiting for a Warhammer 40k Battlefield game

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

dr.acula posted:

I'm patiently waiting for a Warhammer 40k Battlefield game

We almost had it with Eternal Crusade, and then they just hosed it. They hosed it so bad. :negative:

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

Psycho Landlord posted:

The guy who wrote this is no longer a writer for the GK or warhammer in general and their more current stuff is much, much different

Not gonna say its good, because the only good line in all of 40k is "the planet broke before the Guard did," but it is definitely different

Fair enough, I haven't kept track of which writer was/wasn't still involved and what is/isn't canon. As for it being "good", well, it's 40k at the end of the day, so it's never going to be all that. But it remains a guilty pleasure of mine, in a book version of popcorn action movies. It's not Ian Banks, Alastair Reynolds, Charlie Stross or Cixin Liu grade scifi, but it has its place in my reading schedule.

In addition to the ridiculous action and characters, I also mightily enjoy how hard they have to work to try and retrofit the various stupid puns from the Rogue Trader era into the highly grimdark and serious universe they tried to turn it into over time. Stuff like... Colonel Kurtz Conrad Kurze being a moody broody bossman doing bad stuff for his greater good because he's seen some poo poo, and ending up being killed by imperial assassin Martin Sheen M'Shen. Or the Dark Angels having Lionel Johnson Lion El'Jonson as British Poet Primarch. Or the Space Mongols White Scars being founded by second son of Genghis Khan 5th son of the Emperor Jagathai Khan. Or the Angry Marines World Eaters being founded by a very angry dude called Angron.

I have a lot of respect for the people whose job it is to make that poo poo sound even vaguely serious for a half-second.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
When I was a kid I came up with ideas for a 40k Battlefield game with ground and space battles each led by their respective commanders, each interacting with the other, and a bunch of cool unlocks, and each race playing very different :sigh:

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

As everyone shouts for a cool new game in the 40k universe that isn't a retread, the monkey's paw curls

GW announces Wargame 40k: AirSpace Battle, but you can only play as the Tau

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Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Psycho Landlord posted:

As everyone shouts for a cool new game in the 40k universe that isn't a retread, the monkey's paw curls

GW announces Wargame 40k: AirSpace Battle, but you can only play as the Tau

Worked for Fire Warrior! Wait...

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