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mdemone posted:While McVeigh sits in jail, before he is even named as a suspect in the bombing, his friend Roger Moore (not that one) from the right-wing gunshow circuit tries to have him bailed out, contacting at least two bail/bond companies. crack mdemone posted:At about the same time, Dr. Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West appears on CNN's Larry King Live, to discuss the 'lone nut' who had bombed the Murrah building. PING
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Azathoth posted:What's the theory on the ATF team staking out the building getting pulled? "them" is not all one group
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I cant even remember specifics but years ago i saw a documentary that basically talked about intelligence agencies being a bunch of highly compartmentalized cells that only vaguely and theoretically worked at a common cause and they would often get in the way of each other in the service of whatever end they were personally carrying out lol and very few people ever had anything close to a full picture of what was happening Basically controlled chaos
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Riot Bimbo posted:I cant even remember specifics but years ago i saw a documentary that basically talked about intelligence agencies being a bunch of highly compartmentalized cells that only vaguely and theoretically worked at a common cause and they would often get in the way of each other in the service of whatever end they were personally carrying out lol and very few people ever had anything close to a full picture of what was happening That's how I feel the CIA works. Just a bunch of individuals and small groups given carte blanche to do whatever crazy poo poo as long as they can justify it as somehow being in line with US strategic interests. This is how you end up with the CIA directors after Dulles not knowing what MK-ULTRA actually involved until it was leaked. Jolly West is also a good example of this, he was just given a line of CIA credit and told to go nuts, as long as he got results and didn't cause too much blowback.
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mdemone posted:Around 9pm EST on April 19 1995, Richard Wayne Snell, an associate of residents at Elohim City who had previously plotted to bomb the Murrah building in OKC, is executed in the state of Arkansas. yeah this stuff'll crack my ping alright
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Riot Bimbo posted:I cant even remember specifics but years ago i saw a documentary that basically talked about intelligence agencies being a bunch of highly compartmentalized cells that only vaguely and theoretically worked at a common cause and they would often get in the way of each other in the service of whatever end they were personally carrying out lol and very few people ever had anything close to a full picture of what was happening this is basically the thesis of The Looming Tower, that 9/11 happened because US int and law enforcement agencies are a bunch of egotistical dickwavers who all hate each other and don't share info an American tradition dating back to Hoover and Dulles being enemies, and earlier too im sure
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Riot Bimbo posted:I cant even remember specifics but years ago i saw a documentary that basically talked about intelligence agencies being a bunch of highly compartmentalized cells that only vaguely and theoretically worked at a common cause and they would often get in the way of each other in the service of whatever end they were personally carrying out lol and very few people ever had anything close to a full picture of what was happening Yeah it was called Grand Theft Auto V.
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Riot Bimbo posted:I cant even remember specifics but years ago i saw a documentary that basically talked about intelligence agencies being a bunch of highly compartmentalized cells that only vaguely and theoretically worked at a common cause and they would often get in the way of each other in the service of whatever end they were personally carrying out lol and very few people ever had anything close to a full picture of what was happening wonder where terror cells learned their organization systems
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Antonymous posted:yeah this stuff'll crack my ping alright it's the primo poo poo. I cut my teeth on Oswald but McVeigh is so obviously dirty that it's almost unbelievable
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my bony fealty posted:this is basically the thesis of The Looming Tower, that 9/11 happened because US int and law enforcement agencies are a bunch of egotistical dickwavers who all hate each other and don't share info i'm 100% convinced larry wright is operation mockingbird/limited hangout: look at his topics bro its epstein af
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Riot Bimbo posted:i wonder about what mk ultra became, and how effective it is. Like, I've seen stuff that indicates one can probably destroy an extant ego and replace it with a custom one, at some cost of time and resources, if the right subject is found. Been over that before. everything i've ever seen about mkultra suggests it was an actual failure as a research project. the only exception is more or less jolly west, and my personal theory on it is that mkultra style mad science projects are just what happen if you give people like jolly west access to unlimited funding and resources. tv was ultimately much more effective at mind control engineering. 
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Does anyone have that Youtube playlist of the news segments with that one investigative journalist who's name escapes me, tia
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I think the small scale MK-ULTRA stuff (turning otherwise normal people into killers) was reasonably successful, but that was precisely Jolly Wests area. He also achieved success in inducing psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy individuals. The problem is that it's a time and resource intensive process to brainwash a killer when you can just use an agent and blame it on someone else. Inducing psychosis seems to be a much quicker affair though, and very useful in witness tampering. See: Jolly West's visit with Jack Ruby.
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Endman posted:I think the small scale MK-ULTRA stuff (turning otherwise normal people into killers) was reasonably successful, but that was precisely Jolly Wests area. He also achieved success in inducing psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy individuals. The collapse of the whitmer kidnapping prosecution is evidence of why you need MK Ultra for effective gladio
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if mkultra didn't successfully let them turn people into password-activated killers then explain sirhan sirhan
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Shear Modulus posted:if mkultra didn't successfully let them turn people into password-activated killers then explain sirhan sirhan Sirhan Sirhan didn't actually kill anybody though. His position and weapon made it impossible for him to be the killer.
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cagliostr0 posted:Sirhan Sirhan didn't actually kill anybody though. His position and weapon made it impossible for him to be the killer. have you considered the warp in space time created by being named the same name twice?
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it's probably much easier to mk ultra a patsy then a killer, but of course the CIA would want the ability to do both, I've wondered if paddock was an mk ultra patsy, who was induced to bring the guns to the hotel and take the fall after being marked by the actual (multiple) gunmen
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cagliostr0 posted:The collapse of the whitmer kidnapping prosecution is evidence of why you need MK Ultra for effective gladio the state getting over excited about domestic radicals and even running them has been a thing in the US since anarchists were killing heads of state regularly. having prosecutions fall apart is just more common when it's a right wing group. Gladio tactics would be letting them kidnap Whitmer or at least attempting it.
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Shear Modulus posted:if mkultra didn't successfully let them turn people into password-activated killers then explain sirhan sirhan it totally did let them do that and they are still doing it like the q kid that shot the mob boss recently
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The Man who was Thursday is a great little novella about an undercover policeman who joins an anarchist organisation only to find out that almost every other member of the organisation is also an undercover policeman.
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Futanari Damacy posted:Does anyone have that Youtube playlist of the news segments with that one investigative journalist who's name escapes me, tia  Nathan Baca 👑 Not a playlist but start here and you'll find your way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JPZuRVqUM
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Marzzle posted:because your coworkers will ensure you get you executed for treason or at least go to jail forever. intel is all about ~*circles of trust and accountability*~ And in exchange. with seniority, you get access to these circles of trust and accountability. This selects for two types of people, probably in hopes that they’ll balance each other out: 1. People who really, truly, honestly believe in doing what’s best for their country—birth or adopted. 2. People who see it—and everything else—as a game to be played, and manipulated, and won, probably at the expense of others. eschaton has issued a correction as of 09:46 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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Manipulators always win out over bog standard idealists lol thats not a real balance
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Well yeah, but would idealists admit that, even to themselves?
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Endman posted:I think the small scale MK-ULTRA stuff (turning otherwise normal people into killers) was reasonably successful, but that was precisely Jolly Wests area. He also achieved success in inducing psychosis in otherwise mentally healthy individuals. yeah, that's basically my read. the outcome of every 'interesting' mkultra experiment seems to have been little more than driving the subjects past their breaking points. none of the projects achieved any results that a bog standard sex cult couldn't accomplish.
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i guess what i'm saying is like that's probably a hierarchical division where the idealist is a useful idiot and it was never a power sharing arrangement or a real competition
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Explain why Iris Chang, the investigator and author of "The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II", killed herself
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maxwellhill posted:Explain why Iris Chang, the investigator and author of "The Rape of Nanking: The Forgotten Holocaust of World War II", killed herself She spent her life researching the most horrible things imaginable and probably got loads of death threats from Japanese nationalists; I can see that driving a person to suicide.
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Iris Chang posted:There are aspects of my experience in Louisville that I will never understand. Deep down I suspect that you may have more answers about this than I do. I can never shake my belief that I was being recruited, and later persecuted, by forces more powerful than I could have imagined. Whether it was the CIA or some other organization I will never know. As long as I am alive, these forces will never stop hounding me.
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Endman posted:She spent her life researching the most horrible things imaginable and probably got loads of death threats from Japanese nationalists; I can see that driving a person to suicide. there’s so many Nanking denial accounts on Twitter, it’s all you get when you put in ‘iris chang’ or ‘nanking’
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Real hurthling! posted:it totally did let them do that and they are still doing it like the q kid that shot the mob boss recently wait what also what is that thing about "the leg in the combat boot" referenced in the post about OKC?
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January 6 Survivor posted:wait what they found a leg in what was left of the Ryder truck, never matched it to anyone (and probably it got taken away pretty quickly) it's the least knowable thing about the entire bombing, but it's a sensational little tidbit.
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January 6 Survivor posted:wait what     Personally I think it's Poindexter. mdemone posted:it's the least knowable thing about the entire bombing, but it's a sensational little tidbit. That's the thing though.....it's very knowable! There was a DNA test done and the Oklahoma medical examiner has the results! eshock has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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