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JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

potatocubed posted:

The car has teeth! I love it.

That's not teeth, it's just the grille that cars had in the 50s

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Mirage
Oct 27, 2000

All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds

JcDent posted:

That's not teeth, it's just the grille that cars had in the 50s



Grrr! GRRRRRR!

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Fivemarks posted:

It was the 90's, they still thought that the one guy who was the Native American consultant for Voyager was legit.

Tangent: He'd been exposed as a fraud even before then to my understanding, they just didn't care.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



JcDent posted:

That's not teeth, it's just the grille that cars had in the 50s



The Schick Electric Razor Car!

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

potatocubed posted:

The car has teeth! I love it.

Dark Conspiracy's opening paragraphs posted:

Something very strange is going on. Stranger than usual, I mean.

Hell, I'm used to eco-commandos dynamiting oil refineries. I'm used to riots in the Farm Family Relocation Camps. I understand the wars that street gangs and corporate security goons are fighting for the inner cities. I can accept the steady breakup of the old nations, even if I can't pronounce half the names of the new ones. I'm even used to grave robberies and blood bank heists in California. After all, it's California, right?

But a few days ago, the Eastern Australian Air Force nuked Melbourne, and refuses to explain why. Black, spiky things that only vaguely resemble fish are attacking people in the Great Lakes. A radio station in Chicago is broadcasting only a single, oscillating tone—all day long. Whole blocks of Mexico City have been abandoned—by people, anyway. My contact in the Michigan Secret Service said we're being invaded, part of a centuries-old plot. I wanted to find out more, but before we could meet, he turned up headless in a park. Now I have this feeling I'm being followed...

Welcome to DARK CONSPIRACY

This is not going to really touch on the rules. It's based on the system Frank Chadwick and Lester Smith came up with for the Second Edition of Twilight:2000; very serviceable late-80s simulationist with a hefty layer of gear porn. The setting for this game is where it shines.

In 1988 R.Talsorian Games released Cyberpunk, in 1989, Shadowrun 1e was released, I.C.E. released Cyberspace in 1989 as well, in 1990 GURPS Cyberpunk came out. GDW (Game Designers Workshop) was an early (founded in 1973) publisher who had made their fame and early money off of exceptional well made wargames like Drang Nach Osten! and Manassas. In the late-70s they branched into RPGs with Traveller, a science-fiction game I have many fond memories of playing. In the 80s they produced several more RPGs like Twilight:2000 and Space:1889. When the 90s rolled around, they saw the success that 'cyberpunk' games were having and decided to try their luck.

Dark Conspiracy starting fiction posted:

With panic tightening his throat., the man stopped and turned. He was certain he was being followed, but the moon-streaked street stretched empti.ly behind, its sidewalks bare. Across the way, a clock tolled the hour from the tower of a marble-fronted building. Moonlight gleamed silver on the words above its door. "Dayton Federal Savings and Loan." Moon shadows from its columned portico lay still against its stone face.
But on his side of the street., the shadows moved. They twitched and slid from alley to doorway, hollow to hollow. He sensed the movement and spun to confront it., backing warily into the door of a shuttered shop. The shadows {raze. A chill settled in his guts.
A mere dozen feet away, the shadow of a trash can seemed to widen as a crouching figure Leaned out and raised its head. A pallid {ace revealed itself to moonlight, eyes glistening feverishly, thin Lips stretched in a feral grin. Its teeth seemed unnaturally Long. Slowly, the figure crept forward. A score of other shadows did the same.
The man tried to run, but the air seemed suddenly as thick as water. He felt as if he were running in slow motion and the chase seemed to take hours. Behind him, the stalkers closed the distance in long, graceful strides. The pool of yellow Light under the streetlamp at the end of the block seemed to promise safety. If only he could reach the light., the man told himself, perhaps he would be safe His tortured lungs strained, and his sluggish legs pumped to drive him closer to the Light…

Unlike the other cyberpunk games or even Shadowrun, Dark Conspiracy is set in a very near future where everything X-Files and Lovecraft is true. The world is being influenced by powers from beyond Earth's dimension that were awoken by a group of extraterrestrial explorers that became basically possessed by those powers. These powers feed on decay and emotional depression so it is in their best interest to make human existence as absolutely miserable as possible.

There are all the mega-corps you expect in a cyberpunk game, but the true purpose of them is not to make the haves rich (that is part of it of course), but to make the have-nots despair that their lives will never get any better. Greed, jealousy, and cruelty are encouraged to both make better meals of humans, and to make them more easily manipulatable. National governments have mostly collapsed as it is a shadowy cabal of the Dark Minions that actually run things, and social safety nets are non-existent.

The Players Characters are those that have seen behind the curtain and are trying their damndest to keep humanity from becoming lunch.

Mirage
Oct 27, 2000

All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds

Dawgstar posted:

Tangent: He'd been exposed as a fraud even before then to my understanding, they just didn't care.

Akoocheemoya. I am far from the bones of my ancestors. *sticks rocks to cloth*

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


I only know VOY from reviews on how bad it is so along side the Psycho Janeway interpretation I'm cool with assuming that the native guy is actually full of poo poo, possibly delusional.

mellonbread
Dec 20, 2017
Voyager takes the radical position that American Indian religion and magic is 100 percent real, but that all the Gods and Ancestors only ever give you incredibly bad advice that will get everyone killed.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



mellonbread posted:

Voyager takes the radical position that American Indian religion and magic is 100 percent real, but that all the Gods and Ancestors only ever give you incredibly bad advice that will get everyone killed.

Also they were uplifted by aliens.

Jesus Christ, Voyager

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Now that sounds a bit like Dragonlance.

Mirage
Oct 27, 2000

All is for the best, in this, the best of all possible worlds

Asterite34 posted:

Also they were uplifted by aliens.

Well, that's every god in science fiction.

mellonbread
Dec 20, 2017
Weren't all intelligent creatures in Star Trek created by the same precursor race?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

mellonbread posted:

Weren't all intelligent creatures in Star Trek created by the same precursor race?

I think that’s the idea behind why most intelligent life is humanoids with lumpy foreheads.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



mellonbread posted:

Weren't all intelligent creatures in Star Trek created by the same precursor race?

Yes, but specifically Chakotay's fictional Amazonian tribe got visited by different aliens and taught how to respect the land, because they needed aliens to impart this special knowledge and culture.

Note this is a different incident from the time a bunch of Navajo were abducted and transplanted to a different planet to preserve their society, or how Kukulkan is canonically a weird snake-alien who taught humans how to build aztec pyramids to act as a giant subspace transmitter.

Star Trek has a... weird relationship with native cultures. At least they're sorta almost egalitarian, since all the Greek gods were just energy beings, The Devil is real and actually friendly, and a bunch of important historical figures like Solomon, Alexander the Great and Leonardo da Vinci were all one randomly immortal Highlander guy.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

I refuse to believe in any DaVinci but Lower Decks Holodeck DaVinci :colbert:

mellonbread
Dec 20, 2017
The next book I review will probably be Dune 2d20, unless I get a game of Choam/Richese Dune in before then. I need to play a few more sessions in order to use some of the systems I haven't tried yet, and to do a few things correctly that we've been doing wrong until this point, but didn't realize because they're only explained in supplemental documents on the developer blog.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



mellonbread posted:

The next book I review will probably be Dune 2d20, unless I get a game of Choam/Richese Dune in before then. I need to play a few more sessions in order to use some of the systems I haven't tried yet, and to do a few things correctly that we've been doing wrong until this point, but didn't realize because they're only explained in supplemental documents on the developer blog.

If you’re volunteering to become the Dune Dude, I will read the poo poo out of everything.

I like the idea of playing in some parts Dune universe, but I am entirely and thoroughly alone in that among my friends.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

By popular demand posted:

The thing about genetics is you want a wide and diverse gene pool to keep evolutionary flexibility- a virus attacking the empress's genes could wipe out a most of the Imperium before a cure could be found.

In Conquest Born by Celia Friedman features an interstellar empire with a ruling caste that went super heavy into eugenics a few hundred years back and made themselves all tall and strong and perfect and domineering, but the resultant tiny genepool has left them horrifically vulnerable to a certain common disease and now they're desperately trying to sustain their current population (let alone increase it) while trying to stop the lower castes from figuring out just how few ruling-caste there are these days.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

This is also a game where a space wizard explodes the time-space continuum's shortcut hole for three thousand years with no ill consequence to (meta)physics and more than half of the PCs can just casually kick a school bus around like a hackey-sack, I dunno if it's worth getting too hung-up on a magic space fascist's dumbass grasp of genetics when it's really just 80% set dressing and 20% "here's why not everyone is a total chump, now let's shut up and play" writing.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Go full Jon Prophet. The mecha are made using the empress's DNA too. And some of the spacecraft.

Covermeinsunshine
Sep 15, 2021

mellonbread posted:

The next book I review will probably be Dune 2d20, unless I get a game of Choam/Richese Dune in before then. I need to play a few more sessions in order to use some of the systems I haven't tried yet, and to do a few things correctly that we've been doing wrong until this point, but didn't realize because they're only explained in supplemental documents on the developer blog.

Please do - I want to know how much prequel poo poo made it into the book

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



mellonbread posted:

The next book I review will probably be Dune 2d20, unless I get a game of Choam/Richese Dune in before then. I need to play a few more sessions in order to use some of the systems I haven't tried yet, and to do a few things correctly that we've been doing wrong until this point, but didn't realize because they're only explained in supplemental documents on the developer blog.
You know, mellonbread, without posting, something within us sleeps... and seldom wakes.

The poster must awaken.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


F&F 2022: The Poster Must Awaken

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Covermeinsunshine posted:

Please do - I want to know how much prequel poo poo made it into the book

They cover the entire history. It sounds like the prequels were silly.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.


The Lone Badger posted:

Go full Jon Prophet. The mecha are made using the empress's DNA too. And some of the spacecraft.
going full Lexx is an option too. A lot of His Divine Shadow energy here.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Apr 22, 2022

Covermeinsunshine
Sep 15, 2021

Dawgstar posted:

They cover the entire history. It sounds like the prequels were silly.

Oh yeah I got through few of those and they are fanfic/sw expanded universe level.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



By popular demand posted:

F&F 2022: The Poster Must Awaken

This my new motto

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

By popular demand posted:

F&F 2022: The Poster Must Awaken

Tell me of your homebrew, Usul.

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021


Pvt.Scott posted:

Tell me of your homebrew, Usul.

"Well I took this from Chapterhouse: Dune, and..."
"No, no... this is... this is too much."

EDIT: Alternatively, "Dare you walk my Golden Path?"

Libertad!
Oct 30, 2013

You can have the last word, but I'll have the last laugh!
Does anyone know if an F&F of Troika! was ever done? I seem to recall so, although due to the Archive's inactivity I'm having trouble finding it if it exists.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Libertad! posted:

Does anyone know if an F&F of Troika! was ever done? I seem to recall so, although due to the Archive's inactivity I'm having trouble finding it if it exists.

I did it, yes. It was fairly short because there's not a huge amount to talk about mechanically about how it works past 'it doesn't.'

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

Libertad! posted:

Does anyone know if an F&F of Troika! was ever done? I seem to recall so, although due to the Archive's inactivity I'm having trouble finding it if it exists.

Yep, Night did one.

edit: beaten

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Night10194 posted:

I did it, yes. It was fairly short because there's not a huge amount to talk about mechanically about how it works past 'it doesn't.'

It is kind of funny how many of your players in the game of Troika! you reference are F&F posters.

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






Weren't you the Bog Shaman or whatever who didn't get to do anything for three rounds of lovely combat?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Yes.

I amused myself with bog puns.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
How does an indie game that doesn't work have so many expansions?

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Because it's fun to write for?

And I don't know, maybe it's because I played a lot of Fighting Fantasy gamebooks which the Troika system is based on, but apart from the initiative (I see what they were trying to go for, but it's frustrating if the turn ends and you don't get a go), I don't see any particular issued with the system.

A sticking point is that Troika characters don't have very high skill scores, so I think when GMing, it's better to adopt a No, but... approach, or what Pendragon often does which is that a failed roll means you do it, but at a base level of competence - you haven't hosed up, but no-one is impressed.

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.

Asterite34 posted:

Star Trek has a... weird relationship with native cultures. At least they're sorta almost egalitarian, since all the Greek gods were just energy beings, The Devil is real and actually friendly, and a bunch of important historical figures like Solomon, Alexander the Great and Leonardo da Vinci were all one randomly immortal Highlander guy.

I kinda want to run a modern paranormal game where the PCs have to deal with an immortal polymath, an energy cloud that possesses people and turns them into Jack the Ripper, mysterious men in black types and their shapeshifting familiars who are guiding human civilization towards unknown goals, and creatures from the distant future that travel back to times of plague and disaster to feed on people's psychic energy undetected.

And see how long it takes the players to realize they're in a Star Trek campaign.

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

JcDent posted:

How does an indie game that doesn't work have so many expansions?

Because it's extremely easy to write for (a class can fit on a page and is basically a few skills and some evocative equipment) and it's extremely fun and engaging fluff.



Like, take a look at this: it fits a lot of flavor into very little space.

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Asterite34
May 19, 2009



Troika! has easily the best class flavortext of any rpg I've ever read, it perfectly yet succinctly evokes the weird fiction Dying Earth vibe. If it was transplanted into a not-garbage system it would be magnificent

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