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Mustang posted:What's with the weird choreographed movements? Looks like an army that's just for show. PLA training videos and pics are all extremely funny if you haven't dug into them, worth looking up. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/12/extreme-chinese-military-training/ It is an army mostly for show. I've heard from a few people who were in the PLA/had family who were that all they do is train for riot suppression. Once or twice a year they get to fire a few bullets on the range, no real combat training. I'm sure there are some actual commandos and whatnot but from everything I've heard or read the average PLA soldier is barely trained, plus they're mostly coming from rural poverty so they were already hosed going in. Raised with serious malnutrition, little education. Really rough circumstances and joining the army for some slim hope of getting out of it. The Imp of Nipples posted:Do the Chinese actually have any 'recent', real combat experience? A number of western nations have been engaged in the ME and Africa the past generation. Has China have anything to learn from any actual engagements? Their last war beyond little border skirmishes was getting rinsed in Vietnam in 1979. They lost a stupid amount of men rapidly and it became obvious they were not going to achieve their objectives, so they declared victory, destroyed everything they could find, and went home. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Let's also not forget the EP-3 incident was caused by a pilot who cared more about sharing his email address than running a proper intercept and escort, even though one could say he did that (posthumously) pretty damned well given the outcome. Hard to believe that was 21 loving years ago. gently caress I'm old. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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It's not directly about the military but Invisible China is a good book and gives insight on the manpower issue China faces. Middle class city kids aren't joining the PLA much, they're recruiting these rural Chinese kids who have been hosed since the day they were born. 70% of Chinese kids are rural and half of them are so malnourished they have permanent developmental problems, for one example.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not directly about the military but Invisible China is a good book and gives insight on the manpower issue China faces. Middle class city kids aren't joining the PLA much, they're recruiting these rural Chinese kids who have been hosed since the day they were born. 70% of Chinese kids are rural and half of them are so malnourished they have permanent developmental problems, for one example. How much of the PLA is currently conscription based (if at all)?
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In undergrad I had a professor from an extremely minor branch of an oligarch family that owned a conglomerate that owned a a dozen or so firms shifting their manufacturing to China. Dude said that before he bailed on the family business he sat in on meetings with Chinese government officials that essentially used "we have a military full of impoverished rural kids with a chip on their shoulder who would love the chance to crack some discontented urban skulls if your workers start agitating for rights" as a selling point.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:How much of the PLA is currently conscription based (if at all)? It's basically the same as the US. All men have to register for the draft but it's never been used, it's all volunteer.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's basically the same as the US. All men have to register for the draft but it's never been used, it's all volunteer. That’s rather interesting. You’d figure they’d want to do so, even if just for internal protection. I mean you wouldn’t even have to get a huge amount.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's basically the same as the US. All men have to register for the draft but it's never been used, it's all volunteer. "volunteer" Rich kids and middle class kids aren't the ones signing up to be grunts. It's the poor kid in the sticks with no prospects who is forced to "volunteer" for lack of other opportunity. So, yes, actually, the same as the US.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:That’s rather interesting. You’d figure they’d want to do so, even if just for internal protection. I mean you wouldn’t even have to get a huge amount. There are a lot of internal security forces. Most prominent are the People's Armed Police, which are like the Carabinieri or whatever. Where I lived in Chengdu you'd see them around a few places, like downtown there's a Tibetan neighborhood with lots of shops and restaurants, and on every corner there's a PAP APC and a few guys with assault rifles standing guard over the area. Also the time there was going to be a protest against a chemical plant and the entire city went on lockdown, the weekend was cancelled, and PAP swarms loving everywhere.
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Grand Fromage posted:It's not directly about the military but Invisible China is a good book and gives insight on the manpower issue China faces. Middle class city kids aren't joining the PLA much, they're recruiting these rural Chinese kids who have been hosed since the day they were born. 70% of Chinese kids are rural and half of them are so malnourished they have permanent developmental problems, for one example. Dang wonder why they don’t bother with a wide scale nutrition effort, even from a cold hearted perspective would give them a stronger workforce with less medical needs. Although probably same reason US doesn’t have a bipartisan effort to scour all the lead pipes and paint from our land for healthier kids.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Dang wonder why they don’t bother with a wide scale nutrition effort, even from a cold hearted perspective would give them a stronger workforce with less medical needs. Although probably same reason US doesn’t have a bipartisan effort to scour all the lead pipes and paint from our land for healthier kids. Nobody gives a poo poo about rural China. There are some efforts, the book talks about pilot programs and some local governments working to help, but nothing on the scale needed. Another problem is a huge number of those rural kids are being raised by their grandparents (their parents move to cities as migrant workers and only see the kid once or twice a year at most), who often have literally zero education and can't be convinced that rural traditions are harming the kids and need to be changed. Even if you give them vitamin supplements and stuff, most refuse to use them and teaching them what they need to do to help the kids fails. The only large scale program China's doing is they're slowly making public high schools tuition-free, so rural kids will at least theoretically be able to attend instead of dropping out of education in middle. That's assuming you're lucky enough to live somewhere that even has a high school, anyway. E: One of the rural attitude stories I remember is rural kids often have stunted language abilities because they hear so little speech. Rural parents/grandparents often don't talk to babies or toddlers at all since the kid can't respond, not aware that being exposed to language is how kids learn to speak. They had a program trying to get grandparents to talk to babies and just couldn't convince them there was a reason to do it instead of leaving them bundled up and sat in silence all day, every day. And early childhood is where the biggest changes are, kids who are cognitively stunted at that age just can't ever catch up. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Rural China is a place where they tried to fight malnutrition with a program to give every kid one egg and one cup of milk per day. And it still didn't work because they couldn't get the guardians to stop taking the food from the girls to give to the boys.
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golden bubble posted:Rural China is a place where they tried to fight malnutrition with a program to give every kid one egg and one cup of milk per day. And it still didn't work because they couldn't get the guardians to stop taking the food from the girls to give to the boys. MIlk? Milk milk? In a population that is nearly universally lactose intolerant?!
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A.o.D. posted:MIlk? Milk milk? In a population that is nearly universally lactose intolerant?! People drink tons of milk in East Asia. There's some that's treated to remove the lactose but mostly people just think stomach pain is how milk works, the times I asked about it nobody knew what lactose intolerance was. It's widely believed that drinking milk makes your breasts bigger so girls especially were drinking it all the time.
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A.o.D. posted:MIlk? Milk milk? In a population that is nearly universally lactose intolerant?! Apparently yes: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201016-why-china-developed-a-fresh-taste-for-milk quote:So how does the lactose intolerance scientists have recorded come into all this? It’s something Dubois has wondered about for years. “When I first started the project, I would walk up to strangers drinking milk and ask how they deal with digestive problems,” he says. “The answer was consistent: "If it bothers me, I stop.”
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Lactose intolerance generally doesn't develop until after age 5.
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I guess I learned something. Not about the age 5 thing. I already knew that bit. It's more or less universal in mammals once they pass weaning age.
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McGavin posted:Lactose intolerance generally doesn't develop until after age 5. It can be put off by continuing to drink milk. See: the midwest. Basically, once you stop drinking milk, you develop an intolerance. I still drink about a pint a day.
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Grand Fromage posted:People drink tons of milk in East Asia. There's some that's treated to remove the lactose but mostly people just think stomach pain is how milk works, the times I asked about it nobody knew what lactose intolerance was. It's widely believed that drinking milk makes your breasts bigger so girls especially were drinking it all the time. I imagine all the estrogen modulators they feed their cows to improve milk production does have this effect.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I imagine all the estrogen modulators they feed their cows to improve milk production does have this effect. Nah, it's the sympathetic magic thing that's a big part of TCM. Walnuts look like brains, so eating them improves your intelligence. Milk comes from breasts, so drinking it makes them bigger. NBA players are tall, so playing basketball makes you taller.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Let's also not forget the EP-3 incident was caused by a pilot who cared more about sharing his email address than running a proper intercept and escort, even though one could say he did that (posthumously) pretty damned well given the outcome. Wait, what’s this about sharing an E-mail address? I read all the AAR’s, including the classified ones, and I don’t remember that. I was writing a paper and doing research on the lack of professionalism of PRC intercepts. Like… 18 years ago. Could you fill me in? I might have just forgotten this poo poo, my memory isn’t what it used to be.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:It can be put off by continuing to drink milk. See: the midwest. Basically, once you stop drinking milk, you develop an intolerance. No, it's because their ancient herding ancestors developed a mutation that caused them to produce lactose digesting enzymes into adulthood.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Wait, what’s this about sharing an E-mail address? I read all the AAR’s, including the classified ones, and I don’t remember that. I was writing a paper and doing research on the lack of professionalism of PRC intercepts. Like… 18 years ago. Could you fill me in? I might have just forgotten this poo poo, my memory isn’t what it used to be.
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Casimir Radon posted:The Chinese pilot liked to flash a piece of cardboard with his email address at planes he was intercepting. Pretty sure I remember the news at the time having a picture of him doing it. Yeah, I specifically remember seeing a picture of Wang Wei flashing the sign with his email address on it. He didn't do it on the occasion he collided with the EP-3 in April 2001 but he'd done it in the past. Here's a reddit post mentioning it: https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryAv...tm_source=share And a paper (PDF download, mentioned on page 19): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...zAdrdYGirlyHw9r BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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LOL, just troll the russians a bit more why don't ya. https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1517398931306594306 Apparently they can do this because Russia claimed all crew escaped, so its not a war grave.
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Cimber posted:Apparently they can do this because Russia claimed all crew escaped, so its not a war grave. Yeah, about that: https://twitter.com/KyleWOrton/status/1517374395634888709
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Everybody knows some people died on the sinking. Russia is the one pretending nobody was killed. This is basically calling them out on it.
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I think these 'accidentally leaked' causality figures are neither trolls, hacks or accidents but intentionally published confidential information done by somebody working there who can use plausible deniability. It's a means of protest.
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Yeah, 100 known dead and 100 missing. 1/3rd of the crew.
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Mozi posted:I think these 'accidentally leaked' causality figures are neither trolls, hacks or accidents but intentionally published confidential information done by somebody working there who can use plausible deniability. It's a means of protest. Yeah I could see that. There's certainly more going on than just an accidental whoopsie-doodle.
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Some quick wiki checks show these loses are greater than AFG for killed, half as many missing. Combining all loses from Chechnya since 94 doesn't get you in the same ballpark as Ukraine. loving crazy.
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It was criminally stupid but other admins did the same thing, and then Donnie's shitbags ride in on dragging her for it and proceed to do similar but exponentially worse poo poo and nobody cares.
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Casimir Radon posted:It was criminally stupid but other admins did the same thing, and then Donnie's shitbags ride in on dragging her for it and proceed to do similar but exponentially worse poo poo and nobody cares. Am I missing some context here?
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A.o.D. posted:Am I missing some context here? Buttery males were discussed in the idiots thread, so I guess in the spirit of that thread, they decided to reply in another.
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Xakura posted:Buttery males were discussed in the idiots thread, so I guess in the spirit of that thread, they decided to reply in another. Buttery?!
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