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Could the intended topic possibly have been Danish media pinkwashing  But hey, at least that's $10 not donated to people intent on exterminating my bloodline, keep it up. Edit: Give me one of the homoerotic Putin ones next to really drive the point home, though. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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It's pretty hard to have an opinion on it when you just post a screenshot of the head line instead of a link to the article.
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Alhazred posted:It's pretty hard to have an opinion on it when you just post a screenshot of the head line instead of a link to the article. Why? All the relevant information is contained therein. Plus it's paywalled. But here you go. https://politiken.dk/udland/art8705...-i-Vogue-sammen
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Apr 21, 2022 14:55
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Jack Trades posted:https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sd-forslag-dra-tillbaka-uppehallstillstand-for-hela-familjer-vid-kriminalitet Oh don’t worry, they also want to be able to declare martial law when need be: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/snabbkollen/akessons-krav-efter-upploppen As always, right-wingers have no idea how politics works outside of America, and certainly not inside their own country. Trying to wrap my head around how the Swedish law institutions are supposed to “införa tillfälliga undantagslagar, inklusive utökade polisiära befogenheter, vid allvarliga situationer.” Like, even if this was even close to a reasonable idea (it’s not) the situation they’d deem serious enough to warrant such a law (burning of cars and riots I guess?) would be long over before the ink is dry. This is ofc disregarding how we have no precedent for this kind of lawmaking in Sweden. The closest I can think of would be the Covid response laws and they took a whole lot of time and gnashing of teeth to get to. As always it’s big ponderous postering in the hope that the mouthbreathers won’t ask for receipts. Even dumber than the M-response of “give the cops water cannons!” That one is at least working from the presumption that the police need resources ready to put to use, not wait around for some arbitrary line to be drawn so some unconstitutional law can be put in place. (Still wholly inhuman and without any problem solving).
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Apr 21, 2022 15:13
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SplitSoul posted:Could the intended topic possibly have been Danish media pinkwashing Insane. Seriously, this is what it was all about? Not even a shred of consideration for the ethnicity and national identity being exterminated right now?
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fnox posted:Insane. Seriously, this is what it was all about? Not even a shred of consideration for the ethnicity and national identity being exterminated right now? LGBTQ+ Ukrainians clearly don't appreciate the *real* threat to their lives.
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Apr 21, 2022 16:20
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If we don't stan the woke nazis, Russia may win.
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SplitSoul posted:If we don't stan the woke nazis, Russia may win. If your advice for Ukrainians wasn't that they should lay down and let the tanks roll over them maybe this schtick would be remotely funny, but just as you claim that nobody here is pro-Putin or actually supporting the invasion, no one here is supporting the loving Nazis. I'm not sure who you're supposed to be preaching for but nobody's happy that there's loving Nazis, it's just that it's rather obvious that there's neo-nazis on both sides, and that the fascist militarist state that Russia has become clearly doesn't give two hot fucks about the Nazis and just want to forcibly integrate a people that hate them. Or what, are you going to pixel trophy hunt on photos from corpses from Bucha to see if they just happened to get some flag bearing Banderist when they were indiscriminately shooting civilians? Surely you're capable to scrape two neurons together now to get the thought in, that you were wrong about every assumption you made a month ago. I don't even need to quote you on it. The reason why Ukraine is still standing right now, is because of the aid they got. The Russians very clearly have a plan to exterminate Ukrainians. Have they gotten to Kyiv and held it, there'd be far, far more dead than there were and it's plain to see. And now, please, for the love of god, stop bypassing the main Ukraine thread by shitposting in this thread. You know you're gonna get probed, but loving own up to it and do it rather than co-opting this thread for a derail every time you read a headline that upsets you.
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Hope the screeching antisemite isn't saying anything interesting. 
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SplitSoul posted:Hope the screeching antisemite isn't saying anything interesting. Please don't post
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https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ebba-busch-kritiserar-polisen-varfor-skot-man-inte-skarpt Looks like someone saw Åkesson’s batshit suggestions and decided that they can out-outrage him. Incredibly good that we’re at a point where party leaders publicly wish that the police would cap some brown people already. Once again, the shameless import of American conservative sensibilities continues.
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Apr 22, 2022 14:38
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"No, obviously the cops don't need water cannons," "they need machine guns!" 
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Apr 22, 2022 14:45
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BigglesSWE posted:https://twitter.com/danielswedin/status/1517489248429031424?s=21&t=lpMmSGsXfzf74xcK3usF6A Nuke Swedish cities? As a Dane, this seems like a good solution, although to a different problem.
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Still remember the videos from the Göteborg riots back in the days when panicked police bullets were hitting street lights and random passerbys had to duck for their lives. Train them to not have to use the toys they have in the first place.
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EBT is part of the kind of white privileged conservatives who will never find herself in any real problem with the law. She’s literally well off enough to admit guilt in a legal dispute simply so she can pay away the problem when it suites her. She’s also clearly enamoured with the American rights’ policy of just doubling down on culture war horseshit to get cheap pr-points from paint-eating chud voters, so I fully expect this to keep on escalating all the way to September. Her wishing harm on people who she seems deserving of it, regardless of the circumstances of them being targeted by the police in her Punisher fan fiction, is detestable, batshit insane, and entirely on brand. And when a journalist questions KD about this they’ll just smugly say “she never said anything about killing them, just shooting them”, and krönikörer in the papers will write breathlessly about the importance in a democracy to allow for misunderstandings and dogwhistles.
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BigglesSWE posted:https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/ebba-busch-kritiserar-polisen-varfor-skot-man-inte-skarpt I'm generally pro Swedish cops. They are fairly well educated in deescalation and bla bla stuff. Good cops. Generally. Looking at video and images from the riots it seems like there is gently caress all thought or leadership from the police. They are too few, they don't have the right gear for the situation and they don't seem to know what they are doing. Leadership and education failures lead to them fearing for their lives and justly or unjustly chose to defend themselves with guns.
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Not even the cops think that poo poo is in any way a good idea. https://twitter.com/Krncbll/status/1517526148607057920?s=20&t=ms4b_tY4CAOoXZ3OCKxTsQ
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Inepta Lacerta posted:Not even the cops think that poo poo is in any way a good idea. 
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"Just shoot at their legs.  "
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When can the non racists begin taking about "decades of failed integration policy" in the sense that we have never made a real effort to integrate the Muslim population into society at large?
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BonHair posted:When can the non racists begin taking about "decades of failed integration policy" in the sense that we have never made a real effort to integrate the Muslim population into society at large? There was that one time when Sweden gave out goats to new immigrants.
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Inepta Lacerta posted:Not even the cops think that poo poo is in any way a good idea. Everyone who knows anything about anything knows it's a batshit fascist fever dream: https://www.dn.se/sverige/polisforskaren-vill-busch-att-man-ska-skjuta-15-aringar/ quote:Varför har vi inte hundra skadade kriminella efter påskens upplopp? Varför sköt inte polisen skarpt? Och varför gav vissa regionala polisledningar order om att patrullerna skulle backa från upploppen? Det är några av de frågor som Kristdemokraternas partiledare Ebba Busch ställer sig i en intervju med Ekot och som mötts av kritik.
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BonHair posted:When can the non racists begin taking about "decades of failed integration policy" in the sense that we have never made a real effort to integrate the Muslim population into society at large? What measures are needed to specifically integrate muslims?
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Owling Howl posted:What measures are needed to specifically integrate muslims? Reeducation camps, apparently, according to the CPC Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Owling Howl posted:What measures are needed to specifically integrate muslims? Yeah, that was poorly explained. My point was just that the Muslim minority is by far the largest, have a group identity that you don't really see with, say, Balkan refugees, and, importantly, are being demonized in media and politics. And the entire integration strategy for the past at least 30 years in Denmark has been to give them more requirements, less help (education for example) and less money. Which has obviously not worked. But also, specifically, we need a proper university degree in Islamic theology, having all the religious authorities either trained in gulf states or just having a limited understanding is probably not good. It's not as important as socioeconomics, but it would also help send a signal that being a Muslim is, in fact, acceptable.
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Owling Howl posted:What measures are needed to specifically integrate muslims? None, those with education do it by themselves. That the education system fails with those students that come from an upbringing with parents who have little or none education is the main issue. It didn’t used to be like this, since 2-3 generations back Swedes in general had 9 years of school.
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If housing was more affordable or at least if there was more of a mix between "cheap" housing and average priced housing we would her less concentration of immigrants on certain areas. Ofcourse people often want live close to theur own so it would only do so much at this point. Maybe we need a US style school bussing program in certain areas in Scandinavia to as much as possible avoid situations where 90% of the students in a public school are either immigrants themselves or come from households where the adults have limited education and or language skills. It does set them up for academic sucess and must surely be a great hinderance for intergration.
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Doesn't help the fact that teachers are already not getting paid anything and when they gotta work in one of those schools where most kids don't even speak Swedish I don't blame them if they just shrug and don't bother even trying to do anything about it.
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BonHair posted:a group identity that you don't really see with, say, Balkan refugees What? Not only is the Muslim community to a large extent subdivided by ethnic and national identities, people from the Balkans are especially big on the latter from my experience.
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They somehow forgot Ukrainian refugees also can't live on the paltry far-below-subsistence benefits we give to "non-western" refugees, so they're scrambling to make another special law now. And on that note, we're officially shipping people back to Afghanistan to starve and be brutalised by the Taliban.
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SplitSoul posted:They somehow forgot Ukrainian refugees also can't live on the paltry far-below-subsistence benefits we give to "non-western" refugees, so they're scrambling to make another special law now. And on that note, we're officially shipping people back to Afghanistan to starve and be brutalised by the Taliban. Out of curiosity, how much do non-citizens get as social benefits? Are there numbers on that?
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Basic integration allowance: 6228 dkk Parent without child allowance (???): 8716 dkk Parent with child allowance: 12456 dkk Younger than 30 living with parents: 2683 dkk Bonus for passing a danish exam, to be added to any of the above: 1620 dkk. All numbers are pre taxation.
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Jack Trades posted:Out of curiosity, how much do non-citizens get as social benefits? Are there numbers on that? The numbers Lima posted, although if you've had residence and worked in Denmark for 9 out of the last 10 years, you qualify for normal welfare benefits (the intent is to deport them before that happens). The current rate is barely enough for food, to say nothing of rent and other necessities. Another minor way they're discriminating has been to warn Ukrainians ahead of time about the annual air siren drill in May—perfectly understandable, I imagine that would be triggering—meanwhile the brown people are housed literally in the middle of a military training area and get to enjoy almost daily gunfire and explosions. Lima posted:(???) From what I can gather, they're only eligible after a while, because little kids with PTSD are useless eaters anyway. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Baudolino posted:Maybe we need a US style school bussing program in certain areas in Scandinavia to as much as possible avoid situations where 90% of the students in a public school are either immigrants themselves or come from households where the adults have limited education and or language skills. It does set them up for academic sucess and must surely be a great hinderance for intergration.
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Baudolino posted:Has it helped in any way, or is it a wasted effort?
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As a sidenote, in the Swedish youth school we have two forms of the subject ”Swedish”, Swedish (svenska, sve) and Swedish as a second language (svenska som andraspråk, sva). The content of the courses are/should be the same, with the latter one having a more comparative style of teaching. For example when you’re teaching grammar a typical sva-assignment would be like ”In what ways are Swedish grammar and your mother tongues grammar similar and in what ways are they different?” Is it the same way in i.e. Denmark? Edit: I tried to do some research, is ”Dansk som andetsprog” similar? Konec Hry fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Apr 24, 2022 |
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