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Loving the boiled piss. It's an adaptation. What, like The Shining? More Cortana on-screen please. Also protect Kai at all costs. Someone explain why that guy evaporated into purple goo in the go-kart thing?
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SpartanIvy posted:I enjoyed this episode and it felt like one of the "lore accurate Master Chief" videos during the battle which is how it should be. Maybe I'm giving the show too much credit but now that he can feel stuff he can make mistakes but that quality is what allows him to do the crazy stunts we saw here and in the games ~*the human adventure is just beginning*~
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Only Kindness posted:Loving the boiled piss. It's an adaptation. What, like The Shining? That guy was shot with needles from "The Needler" alien gun shown last episode by Kai in Miranda's lab. If a few of those needles hit you they'll super combine, and then you explode into a pink mist.
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Jerusalem posted:They're a planet with significant mineral wealth, and the UNSC have been exploiting that for decades (centuries?), and Kwan's dad was the leader of a resistance group that was basically trying to kick them out so the planet's actual inhabitants would get the benefit of their own wealth and also get to govern themselves. After the Covenant shows up and kills Kwan's dad, the resistance basically falls apart and Burn Gorman's character takes over as the defacto "representative" of the people of the planet, gets the backing of the UNSC and then purges all of his political enemies. dunno which direction they'll go, but the halo fanbase (or the part who care about the lore outside of just playing the games) are in my experience very happy to go "well its sure a shame we have to be fascists, but its the only way to survive in this universe  "
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Codependent Poster posted:Since they skipped Kwan meeting up with the Covenant lady while she was on Madrigal, I don't get the point of her and Soren anymore. Now they don't seem to serve any purpose to the story at all and all the interesting stuff is happening around the Master Chief. My guess is they don't want to have season 2 be nothing but running around halo, so they're setting up the wider world and conflicts, and her story will be something they can cut back from Halo to to make the show larger and more involved. If everyone just ends up on Halo palling around with guilty spark, it might get repetitive for 10 hours. This way they can cut back, show the inter human conflict, covenant glassing places, etc and throw in variety. Which, might be ok if they can start leading her story SOMEWHERE that makes any sense or is interesting, I mean theres a potential good story to be had somewhere in there exploring how awful the UNSC has been to planets and someone trying to free their home. I don't know what that would look like exactly, and the current Kwan stuff ain't it, but theres some potential there so I think I can see what they're going for. This is also why I hope they don't' kill off all the other spartans at the end of the season, as I would like to see them stick around and get up to adventures and develop more. While master chief is off on halo they can be running around doing other stuff in the galaxy and providing a wider view on how bad the covenant war is going. If you just focus on Halo in season 2, you can really only get the sense of how bad the war is going by people turning to the camera and saying the war is going bad. The other spartans and plots can give the show the chance to really show how desperate its getting. So it kinda could set up for 3 big plots to follow in S2, ancient mysteries on halo with the chief, wider covenant war with the spartans, and the fascist oppression of the UNSC with kwan and soren.
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Apr 22, 2022 06:15
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SpartanIvy posted:That guy was shot with needles from "The Needler" alien gun shown last episode by Kai in Miranda's lab. If a few of those needles hit you they'll super combine, and then you explode into a pink mist. Thanks - I literally blinked-and-missed-it! Embarrassing. Annnnnd just to reiterate: more Kai and Cortana please, otherwise I'll have to talk to the manager of the Halo.
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The show is growing on me? I still loving hate the Madrigal parts, but I'm pretty engrossed in the Chief and Halsey story, and I'm curious to find out if Halsey came to Eridanus II looking for kids for the Spartan program, or if she and Keyes were actually trying to settle there for their family...only for Halsey to kinda go off the rails into mad scientist territory. Idk it's kind of a dumb soap opera plot point but I just want to see how far Halsey went for her vision. Soren's scar make-up was both brutal and impressive. Good job, make-up team. That Needler moment was so good. Still missing the real Halo music, but I'm having fun. The action should be more prevalent, but they're trying to give us this human story with Kwan and that means other plot beats have to get severed. I think Kwan's actress is pretty good? I just think her whole side story is stupid. That she's inevitably going to run into those "desert mystics" means her poo poo's going to go all Dune but whatever.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:People are upset because the show sucks and its an adaptation, whether you like it or not, of a historic and pretty huge franchise. If your story isn't better than the source material, people are going to compare them unfavorably. I haven't started episode 5 yet, but this show has been a complete mess imo. My comment about people being butthurt was a reaction to that Twitter thread that was hundreds of loud 'Not my Halo!' types conflating the reason the show sucks with the fact it wasn't doing exactly what the games did. Though, even though I consider myself a pretty big Halo fan, this is the bit I don't particularly understand. Do the games really have a memorable story that could adapt to a television show? They've got awesome set pieces, incredible setting, an interesting (initial) mystery, cohesive aesthetics and memorable enemies. Arguably, the show is doing an ok job of capturing these line items, for the most part. The story from the games themselves? Err... It's difficult to follow, revolves around beings that died billions of years ago, which the show hasn't touched on yet, and it generally is there to allow the player to go from interesting setpiece to setpiece, shooting creatures. The best bits of storytelling in Halo was the environmental storytelling - exploring ancient alien installations. A marooned soldier left alone on Earth trying to find out what happened to his squad mates. A group of heroes banding together to save what's left of their planet being invaded. I read the Fall of Reach novel when I was young and loved it. I read it again last year and it still holds up. It did a lot of world building to establish the Halo universe beyond the games. It seems this show is mostly cribbing off that - Halsey and her hosed up crimes, the origins of the Spartan project, etc. I tried reading some of the later Halo novels and they just didn't hold my attention. Super soldiers who shoot good don't really make for interesting characters. Otherwise the game leaves us with characters like Arbiters and Guilty Sparks, which would come later and their stories were mostly incomprehensible anyway. You can see why the writers had to divulge where they did. Not saying this show is brilliant by any stretch of the imagination. It's pretty cliched sci fi - but I'm enjoying it for what it is and it's much better than I would have expected.
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Apr 22, 2022 13:33
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As a huge halo fan I agree, this show is a good adaptation and I’m enjoying it.
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I really like the guy playing the chief, it's a difficult thing to step into the shoes of a character or non-entity like that and humanize them in a compelling way without losing what made him memorable in the first place. Plus he punches aliens really good
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Apr 22, 2022 21:02
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I could do without the Tony Stark FaceTime camera in his helmet. But Schreiber does do good crazy eyes.
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Apr 22, 2022 21:08
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I crack up a little when I see his thumb face but after a moment he looks like a person again and isn't the worst. I like this show more than Halo games and Picard.
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Apr 22, 2022 21:09
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Tighclops posted:I really like the guy playing the chief, it's a difficult thing to step into the shoes of a character or non-entity like that and humanize them in a compelling way without losing what made him memorable in the first place. Plus he punches aliens really good You should look up his arc in Law and Order: SVU. He is a helluva actor and deserves all the credit.
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Apr 22, 2022 21:41
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Anita Dickinme posted:You should look up his arc in Law and Order: SVU. He is a helluva actor and deserves all the credit. I might do that, SVU is the one with the unstabler guy right? unrelated but I can't believe that this Halo show, mediocre as it is, is still better sci fi drama than any Star Trek produced in a decade
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Tighclops posted:I might do that, SVU is the one with the unstabler guy right? Haha yeah and it’s on Hulu, but Stabler is gone by this point. I’ve been binge watching this show for a few months now and I first saw Pablo Schreiber on SVU just a couple days after Halo premiered. He was terrific and highly suggest anyone semi-into SVU to watch. First episode of the arc is S14E24 and S15E1. Then S15E9 and S15E19/E20 Seriously some great acting on his part.
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He's great in American Gods too. Unfortunately, he'll always be known as Pornstache to me.
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And he’s great in the second season of The Shield! also that weird short-lived show “The Brink”!
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Anita Dickinme posted:You should look up his arc in Law and Order: SVU. He is a helluva actor and deserves all the credit. He was fantastic in season 2 of The Wire, which is the second best season of a show that all-in-all had three near perfect seasons, one perfect season (season 4) and a flawed but still really drat good fifth.
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I'm just glad nobody here is defending the "stealing children and torturing them" aspect of the Spartan program. I used to be into the Halo novels and comics and there were always neckbeards defending Halsey's methods. Lot's of weird utilitarian fascist arguments about how without the Spartans humanity couldn't fight the Covenant. The Spartan 2s were created specifically to assassinate revolutionary leaders and dissidents decades before the Covenant showed up. The Spartan 3s were even more horrendous because ONI abducted traumatized war orphans and pretty much turned them into disposable weapons to throw at hard targets. They didn't even get the good armor.
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the escape goat posted:And he’s great in the second season of The Shield! Jerusalem posted:He was fantastic in season 2 of The Wire, which is the second best season of a show that all-in-all had three near perfect seasons, one perfect season (season 4) and a flawed but still really drat good fifth. I have seen all of this and I never realized he was in these until just now. Such an underrated actor. Isometric Bacon posted:He's great in American Gods too. I have no seen American Gods so I'll have to see that but holy poo poo that Pornstache reference sounds so familiar to me and it's killing me. ninja e: holy google gods I can't believe that's him. This man is seriously one of the greatest actors on TV.
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This episode seemed a bit more cornball than the others. I mean, I've always felt the entire Halo franchise has been cornball, but they hammed it up for this one. Chief making all these cartoonishly contorted facial expressions while touching the artifact, etc. I'm actually sort of unimpressed with Pablo Schreiber in this episode. At times it seems like he's putting on a deliberate inflection, similar to how David Hayter would for Solid Snake. It's pure fan service though, the combat scenes are just as ridiculous as the games in all the right ways. It was nice to see the Needler in action this episode. Kai is awesome. I hope Kate Kennedy gets more work after this show, she's a very good actor. And she and the other female Spartan are both smokeshows. Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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More tall actors please. I need more red carpet pictures of Amazons making Kit Harrington look like a hobbit in comparison.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I'm just glad nobody here is defending the "stealing children and torturing them" aspect of the Spartan program. It's just a tv show.
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huh posted:It's just a tv show. Its a Halo TV show and for some people in the Fandom ends justify the means war human rights violations are morally right because Chief us a badass that doesn't afraid of anything. I mentioned earlier that one of the first books published after 343 got Halo was critical of the UNSC and the Spartans in particular. The Kilo-5 trilogy is about an ONI black Ops team doing extremely shady poo poo after thr Covenant War ended and one of the big elements of it was that one of the washouts of the Spartan II program, Serin Osman, was picked up by Admiral Parangosky after she washed out and was taught to despise Halsey for what she did in making the Spartans. A lot of lore nerds got really upset at this idea that Spartans could hate Halsey for what she did to them, because the earlier Eric Nylund books had taken the approach that the Spartans had mostly made peace with the fact they were kidnapped and made into weapons. It didn't help matters that the author of the Kilo-5 books is Karen Traviss, who has a way of making enemies in whatever Fandom she's writing for, since she's quite an rear end online and has a hard on for soldier societies who are better than everyone else and don't need no government pussies telling them what to do. She was coming into the franchise with Fandom baggage, both well earned and undeserved, from her stints writing for Star Wars and Gears of War. So a lot of people were quick to dismiss her Kilo 5 books even when she had a drat good point to make that kidnapping and experimenting on kids is, in fact, evil. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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John doesn't know what happened to him as a kid in the video game continuity, right? So it kind of helps the audience to empathize with him and think that what happened to him was hosed up and not defend it. The main character doesn't like it, the show is treating it as a bad thing, so the audience is put on the side of how they got Spartans to be a bad thing.
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I would prefer that the Spartans not really know and then find out, because I can handle that better than them knowing that something terrible happened to them but they don't care. I didn't play much of the halo games, so I don't know any of the story, but it would be cool for the spartans to realize that they were created to be the ultimate soldiers but then slowly start ripping out their inhibitors and want the ability to do regular human things, and balance that with their spartaning.
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Codependent Poster posted:John doesn't know what happened to him as a kid in the video game continuity, right? He does know in the games. Halsey's mind games in the books and games are somewhat more direct. Rather than obfuscating the truth, Halsey presents it to the children and then nudges their opinions with suggestion. "You have been taken from your homes to become the greatest soldiers ever seen. This is your life from now on, and you will be the future of humanity." Notably, one of the big things she does in the main canon is give them the illusion of choice. Not the choice to ask her to go home, but to let them figure it out on their own. Halsey actually let two spartan candidates go back to their families... only to discover they had been replaced with flash clones so their parents had no idea what happened. One of those two spartan candidates was allowed to then go into foster care and ended up joining the marine corps as an adult, while Daisy, having no home to go back to anymore, returned to the program. Starting the kids as young as 6 years old, Halsey and the rest of the people running the program banked hard on the mental conditioning to break the children free of their former attachments. It was successful to a degree but not entirely. John has a childhood friend who he runs into a few times in his adult spartan life and he remembers here even if she doesn't know him under the armour. Some of the spartan kids were so aggressive with their escape attempts that they got redirected to isolated training to keep them under closer guard. Reading it from an outside perspective it's a supremely hosed up situation that the characters in the books question from time to time but mostly go along with.
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A big thing with the games is what Bungie was trying to say is very different from what the very fashy book writers were trying to say which is still sort of different but less so than what 343 wanted to say. The very fashy book writers also wrote very fashy Gears of War books and very fashy Star Wars books as far as I know (I didn't read any of this poo poo) and maybe they just shouldn't have careers
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RBA Starblade posted:A big thing with the games is what Bungie was trying to say is very different from what the very fashy book writers were trying to say which is still sort of different but less so than what 343 wanted to say. The other big thing is that most of Bungie's original staff was not on board at all with the books, and the whole Halo expanded universe was a result of Microsoft making a deal with Bungie to help them finish Halo CE in exchange for franchise rights. It's pretty hazy how much of the stuff in the games is intended by bungie and how much of it was Microsoft mandated. Joseph Staten is the one who seemed most on board with the EU stuff and even wrote the book Contact Harvest, so who knows. The only thing I know for certain is that Bungie told the guy who wrote the book adaptation of Halo CE that he could include original characters, but they all had to die, and that Halo The Graphic Novel is the only Halo EU material that was entirely overseen by Bungie. With regards to Karen Traviss, I don't think it's really fair to lump her in with fashy military SF authors, because her bent is a lot weirder. She has a massive, massive hard on for special forces and soldiers, but she holds a huge contempt not only for the aforementioned pussy rear end civilian officials, but also for military leadership. Her ideal soldier society is like this bizarre Hideo Kojima take on soldiers where they exist free of governments and army command structures where The Squad is the first and last answer to any question. It's almost anti authoritarian and her repeating chorus is "gently caress the government and gently caress the generals and gently caress anyone who is sending us off to die. We'll do our own missions and run out own structure!" It's weird because it's still the "gently caress civilians" attitude of fascist science fiction but with a big dose of self loathing and anger at any authority structure.
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I really quickly did a re-edit of the battle sequence from this last episode with Halo music over it, and boy that improved it. I don't even have the video editing knowledge or skill to do anything more than drag and drop an audio track and adjust volume, but I couldn't get the idea out of my head, and even my pitiful attempt still showed me just how much of the Halo vibe is lost without the music. I wish I could upload it somewhere, but lmao that would get copyright striked into the sun in 5 seconds. I really hope now that that legal stuff is settled they can incorporate some of the classic motifs into the following season.
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RBA Starblade posted:A big thing with the games is what Bungie was trying to say is very different from what the very fashy book writers were trying to say which is still sort of different but less so than what 343 wanted to say. Eric Nyland wrote for Gears?
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Oh also this episode owned and also this show is really funny, really replacing GoT for meMarsupial Ape posted:Eric Nyland wrote for Gears? Karen Traviss did and she wrote the Kiddie Rape Camps in as far as I know from the GoW thread
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Should we be spoiling Deep Game/Book Lore stuff? I know at least some people are watching this without much knowledge of the story. Granted it's possible the story will go very different directions but still.
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RBA Starblade posted:Oh also this episode owned and also this show is really funny, really replacing GoT for me I knew who you were talking about. Nylund still wrote three novels that aggrandized the idea of child soldiers.
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Marsupial Ape posted:I knew who you were talking about. Nylund still wrote three novels that aggrandized the idea of child soldiers. Oh lol, I have no idea who did what
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Polaron posted:Should we be spoiling Deep Game/Book Lore stuff? I know at least some people are watching this without much knowledge of the story. Granted it's possible the story will go very different directions but still. i dont care and am actually vaguely interested in hearing how batshit the books get. i only ever played the games so all Halo EU lore is new and strange to me.
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RBA Starblade posted:Karen Traviss did and she wrote the Kiddie Rape Camps in as far as I know from the GoW thread There's a difference between depicting something and endorsing it. Yes, the birthing camps in Gears did first show up in the Traviss book Aspho Fields. And in that book and every subsequent mention they have been depicted as a horrific and despicable thing to be condemned and derided because the COG is a loving awful fascist hell state that is speedrunning self annihilation. For the record, most of the deep lore stuff I'm talking about wrt Halo is still background info to the pretty routine plots of these books. It's just the kind of background world building that starts to look kinda hosed up when you think about it for longer than it took you to read it. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Man I really liked the Travis Halo novel trilogy. I don't recall anything particularly awful about them vs other Halo novels at least.
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