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Philippe posted:How can I fit Steve Jobs in my mouth Was he cremated?
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:Was he cremated? Ligma balls
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Breetai posted:She's fash trash so she can get hosed. Wait is bathwater girl milkshaked ducked? When did that happen? PS: support non-nazi thirst traps
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Did she also sell nudes that weren't hers as hers at one point? Or am I thinking of a different egirl?
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Len posted:Did she also sell nudes that weren't hers as hers at one point? Or am I thinking of a different egirl? Not hers and possibly not of age either from what I heard
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TinTower posted:https://twitter.com/bunnydelphine/status/1517680043165720578?s=21
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CharlestheHammer posted:What does that have to do with The tweet he’s replying to Thank you! I'm a couple of Saturday lunch beers in, but I couldn't tell if he was the moron or I was (or both!)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/1517591349800980480 Kyle is not the idiot.
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Breetai posted:She's fash trash so she can get hosed. You're gonna have to elaborate on this.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Wait is bathwater girl milkshaked ducked? When did that happen? Can you be milk-shake ducked if you were never pretending to be good in the first place? Her whole gimmick has always been pandering to 4 chan likes. I'm fairly sure even her braces are fake and is just to keep the whole "very young looking" thing going nows she's in her 20s. Every thing she says and does is to pander to that crowd.
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Mr.Radar posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/1517591349800980480 What was the original context of the reply?
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Heath posted:What was the original context of the reply? https://twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/1517509954302791681?t=eby4bS6y-KqpDfvm_cnhoA&s=19
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Henchman of Santa posted:https://twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/1517509954302791681?t=eby4bS6y-KqpDfvm_cnhoA&s=19 I regret asking because that video is nauseating
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it's also that very funny thing of whatever social media platform creating a world of critics and theorists that are years behind like, youtube discourse
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Henchman of Santa posted:https://twitter.com/KyleKallgren/status/1517509954302791681?t=eby4bS6y-KqpDfvm_cnhoA&s=19 God, that reminds me of some random youtube movie review/analysis channel I stumbled across some time back. The last video of them I watched started pretty normally, but then they dropped this line: "For comparison, let's look at one of the most epic conflicts in all of fiction: Batman and the Joker". Literally please just read a single book.
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Perestroika posted:"For comparison, let's look at one of the most epic conflicts in all of fiction: Batman and the Joker". I think it’s fair to say that Batman and the Joker are a good example of subverting the classical hero/villain dichotomy that most people will have heard of. Without knowing the context of the video you’re talking about, if you are making a YouTube video about a conflict between two characters and you want to compare it something that most people will have heard of and know about, Hektor vs. Achilleus is probably not going to ring bells for as many people. Edit: which is not to say that all films should be set in the MCU, I’m struggling to imagine a dumber idea
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Scientastic posted:Hektor vs. Achilleus is probably not going to ring bells for as many people. Yeah. That's the depressing part.
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Scientastic posted:I think it’s fair to say that Batman and the Joker are a good example of subverting the classical hero/villain dichotomy that most people will have heard of. Yeah, but if you're making a video that's trying to educate people on the hero/villain archetype, you'd probably do well to use examples people haven't necessarily heard of so that you can educate them about things that may be outside of their immediate experience. People may not have heard of Hektor and Achilles, but that's an opportunity to talk about that story. Going straight to the lowest common denominator isn't helping anybody, nor is it especially interesting or illustrative
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The Iliad is literally bronze age comic books. Shakespeare was poo poo you went to see in the cinema with sticky seats. Who cares? There's no reason to elevate old crap over modern crap just because it existed longer.
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ultrafilter posted:https://twitter.com/ConSelfOwns/status/1517541461885169665 It's the little rubber button in the center of a laptop keyboard, duh
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Iliad is literally bronze age comic books. Shakespeare was poo poo you went to see in the cinema with sticky seats. Who cares? There's no reason to elevate old crap over modern crap just because it existed longer. It's less about elevating one thing over another and more about desperately wanting to talk about anything other than the same three goddamn franchises for another 40 years.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Iliad is literally bronze age comic books. Shakespeare was poo poo you went to see in the cinema with sticky seats. Who cares? There's no reason to elevate old crap over modern crap just because it existed longer. Tell me you don't read books without telling me you don't read books
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Iliad is literally bronze age comic books. Shakespeare was poo poo you went to see in the cinema with sticky seats. Who cares? There's no reason to elevate old crap over modern crap just because it existed longer. I don’t agree with this at all: huge quantities of crap literature, tv, films, art etc. have been made. The quality stuff generally stands the test of time, and there’s a reason it’s still held in high regard decades or centuries later.
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Because some people are very invested in the idea of a "canon" culture the consumption and knowledge of which is a signifier of class, because nothing makes some people happier than feeling like they are above the unwashed masses, yes.
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Heath posted:Tell me you don't read books without telling me you don't read books I've read the Silmarillion about twelve times, I know books  e: and to clarify it's great to read good things and not poo poo things. But there's nothing inherently great about how you know all about the bronze age punchmen and not the comic book punchmen. If you want to make a point it's far better to use examples that will make sense to your audience, not to flex that you can read Homer. Being totally uninterested in reading things from hundreds or thousands of years ago doesn't make a person dumb or uncultured. I mean you can get Hector and Achilles from watching a Brad Pitt movie anyway. Who the gently caress cares? Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 18:04 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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when your culture is an actual monoculture.
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Scientastic posted:I don’t agree with this at all: huge quantities of crap literature, tv, films, art etc. have been made. The quality stuff generally stands the test of time, and there’s a reason it’s still held in high regard decades or centuries later. There's quality stuff being created now that will be held in high regard centuries from now. Art isn't worse now, it just hasn't been filtered by time yet. You run into this conversation all the time with music. "Music nowadays is all manufactured commercial garbage. It was so much better back in (insert time here)." Meanwhile the #1 song in 1969, a year with releases by Bob Dylan, Johnny Cash, The Rolling Stones, Elvis, The Doors, etc., was Sugar Sugar by The Archies.
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Maybe I'm mixing my points, because Sugar Sugar isn't forgotten garbage. It is a corporate manufactured product devoid of any artistic integrity aimed directly at the lowest common denominator. Same as any punchman movie. It is damned good at being that, though. It's ok for things to be "bad". Mindless popcorn flicks have a value same as Seventh Seal or whatever your favorite Shakespearean play is.
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If you're trying to make a point to the youtube watching audience about rivalries, if you use Batman and the Joker everyone will know what you're talking about. If you use Hektor and Achilles, you have to explain the Illiad to zoomers first.
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rydiafan posted:There's quality stuff being created now that will be held in high regard centuries from now. Art isn't worse now, it just hasn't been filtered by time yet. Oh, I agree completely with this: I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking the 80s was a golden age of music, but it’s only because I listen to the really good stuff from the era, and there’s a huge amount of crap. I’m sure that lots of modern stuff will be remembered, but that doesn’t mean the Iliad isn’t great.
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I think you'll find that in superhero movies, strong men take their shirts off and punch people, and often some kind of laser or magic weapon will go pewpewpew. So therefore, these films are universally good. People should watch other movies too, though.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I've read the Silmarillion about twelve times, I know books It's relevant to have at least some familiarity with those things because they form a significant portion of the bedrock of storytelling, especially the very concept of the sweeping epic and the very notion of the "hero" as we conceive it in the modern world. If you're just going to passively consume whatever thing Disney puts out, perhaps you don't need to go beyond that, but for storytellers and writers and people who like to actually think about the things they watch and read, it is enormously beneficial to understand the roots of those tropes even if it isn't strictly necessary to do so. It broadens your vocabulary and widens the toolbox you use to identify and articulate exactly what it is that works about a story, when it works and when it doesn't, and why certain things resonate and others don't. And that's to say nothing of the value and pleasure of fine prose or poetry in written work, or appreciating the dynamics of classic film techniques if you want to be more modern about it. These guys in this video are cringy because they are so siloed into a specific thoughtspace of a Marvel Cinematic Universe that they seem unwilling if not incapable of thinking outside of it. And I maintain that that is not even their own fault, and that it's very intentional action on the part of Disney and other corporations, because they want to restrict all of us to their copyrighted trademarked storytelling zones where we can continue to feed them money, buy their merchandise, and think entirely in terms of their constructed "universes," identify ourselves with their characters and their morality schemes, their ideas of conflict and their ideas of resolutions to those conflicts. I wouldn't say that watching Marvel movies to the exclusion of all else makes you uncultured (especially since it is the dominant culture of the day) but it does keep you in some very narrow channels, and attitudes like "well what's the difference between this punch man and that punch man" betray that idea since the answer to the question isn't that there isn't a difference so much as it is that you don't actually know what the difference is
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The Iliad is literally bronze age comic books. Shakespeare was poo poo you went to see in the cinema with sticky seats. Who cares? There's no reason to elevate old crap over modern crap just because it existed longer. shut up
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It is funny when you look at people who actually read the Iliad versus those that just want to use it as a kids these days type whine thing. Same thing happened with Shakespeare, people don’t give a poo poo about Shakespeare but it does let them feel superior that they pretend they like him
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old bean factory posted:Is this "Illiyad" thing a DC property, or..? Oh you mean Troy Story?
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I don't understand why this is has to be some sort of "high art/low art" culture war. Just watch or read or play or even just think about anything other than superheroes and Star Wars for one week. Please. I don't care if its classical literature or airport novels or even just a cool bug you see on the sidewalk. Anything other than Batman for just a little while.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Being totally uninterested in reading things from hundreds or thousands of years ago doesn't make a person dumb or uncultured. It doesn’t mean you’re dumb, but not being interested in experiencing culturally important art is pretty much the definition of uncultured. Reframe your argument in the context of almost any work of art or form of media, and it’s pretty silly. It’s like when my dad said “I don’t like Opera” and thought this wasn’t a completely fatuous thing to say, or when I used to think all country music sucked. There is interesting art everywhere, dismissing it isn’t some counterculture rebellion, it’s just being proud of wilful ignorance.
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Crowetron posted:I don't understand why this is has to be some sort of "high art/low art" culture war. Just watch or read or play or even just think about anything other than superheroes and Star Wars for one week. Please. I don't care if its classical literature or airport novels or even just a cool bug you see on the sidewalk. Anything other than Batman for just a little while. It would literally change nothing so I don’t get peoples weird obsession with this. People are going to read the fiction they like and trying to make them like the fiction you personally like is ultimately pointless
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