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ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
Odesa hit by Kalibr missiles.

:nms: bomb footage, no gore as far I can see, but replies and such may contain it.

code:
https://twitter.com/iponomarev/status/1517856219502895105
https://twitter.com/Unrulycat2511/status/1517857119902453760
https://twitter.com/dr_malyshev/status/1517856992395730949
https://twitter.com/viper202020/status/1517856526743924740
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1517844728913567746
Random accounts, the footage is being reposted. Just be aware there's a chance one of the videos is old or from another area.

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Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

GaussianCopula posted:

There would be no legal kung-fu required to shuffle Scholz out if the majority of the SPD group in the Bundestag wants to do that, but they are supporting his Russiophile course of action so little chance of that happening.

If the Greens and FDP valued standing up to Putin high enough, they could form a government with the Union, but standing up to Putin is not important enough for them to rock the boat. They might even be happy that Scholz let's them talk tough while not doing anything, as this allows them to have their cake and eat it from a cynical electoral point of view.

Thinking the CDU is suddenly going to grow a pair and stand up to Putin is the most delusional thing I've read in this thread.

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

jazzyhattrick posted:

poo poo like this is why we've had 12 years of tory government and there's no end in sight.

Give people a choice between a scumbag and a coward most of them will vote for the scumbag every time.

I'm enjoying the idea that Boris Johnson isn't both a coward and a scumbag. When he's courageous it's with other people's lives.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Unkempt posted:

Apparently this is the form for the visa process:







Be annoying if you got to step 63 and your phone battery died.

You remember that “nudge” concept that Cass Sunstein and various other well meaning liberal types were hawking in the late 00’s, where government making processes and choices easy for people would lead to a utopia where everyone recycles and helps old ladies across the street?

The real world application is realising that if you make the process awful enough, you can discourage employees from claiming expenses and immigrants from entering your country legally.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

THE BAR posted:

My great-grandfather was a bastard of Wilhelm II's brother, I'll take this responsibility.

We were, at one point, their serfs. Then they sent us off to Russia. Later, we came back to Mittelfranken.
After that, we went and fought the Russians in two world wars.

gently caress me, we just can not stay away. Never works out well for anyone involved.

There are Russen-Deutsch who emigrated during the early 2000's into our village. Some of them are Jewish. They speak Russian at home and fuckin' hate Russia (not Russians, obviously). This war has brought their families closer to our families. They speak less Russian now.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Wuxi posted:

Thinking the CDU is suddenly going to grow a pair and stand up to Putin is the most delusional thing I've read in this thread.

Germany’s political parties have all supported their Russian-friendly fossil fuel-oriented economic policies for decades now. If there’s going to be any change, it’s going to come from a new generation of opposition politicians sweeping out whomever is in power.

https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-merkel-germany-scholz-foreign-policy-ukraine-war-invasion-nord-stream-2/

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Unkempt posted:

Apparently this is the form for the visa process:







Be annoying if you got to step 63 and your phone battery died.

Good lord.

Although having imported a cousin from Russia and doing the paperwork to get my wife citizenship status in the US (even tho she's been here legally for a million years) this is not a uniquely british style of bullshit :shepface:

End passports end borders end masters

ummel
Jun 17, 2002

<3 Lowtax

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1515028375798173701

This is great.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

ummel posted:

Odesa hit by Kalibr missiles.

:nms: bomb footage, no gore as far I can see, but replies and such may contain it.

code:
https://twitter.com/iponomarev/status/1517856219502895105
https://twitter.com/Unrulycat2511/status/1517857119902453760
https://twitter.com/dr_malyshev/status/1517856992395730949
https://twitter.com/viper202020/status/1517856526743924740
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1517844728913567746
Random accounts, the footage is being reposted. Just be aware there's a chance one of the videos is old or from another area.

:nms:
Local press: https://dumskaya.net/news/rossiyskie-natcisty-obstrelyali-odessu-163431/
Includes building damage, and pictures of a burning van with a report that a person died in such circumstances.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Russia Roundup

More in 'we're super not facists guys' from Russia
https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum/status/1517833610899955715?s=20&t=UJSzQQ7NhS1GpIFZ_0gk9w
Edit: Protest in Latvia I mistook for in Russia. I like the outfits so it stays
https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1517864375352184832?s=20&t=pnLiLXmA4gqhVW4ACumFaA
Interesting article on Russia's history of War Crime Denial
https://twitter.com/irgarner/status/1517854844685623298?s=20&t=pnLiLXmA4gqhVW4ACumFaA
Article: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/23/propaganda-russia-atrocity-bucha/?tpcc=recirc_latest062921

quote:

The explosion of contradictory explanations for what happened in Bucha was not Russia’s panicked response to being caught. It was part of a time-worn pattern: Russian media and politicians slowly dismantle the truth and then replace it with a forgery. The process starts with the idea of wanting to ask questions about the event in question. Once enough doubt has been sown, Russian media then begin offering and hyperbolizing alternative explanations. Frequently, these are expressed as mere suggestions or hypotheses, since the truth is ostensibly unknowable.
...
In the case of Bucha, what might sound like a grotesque effort to deflect blame away from Russia is in reality about positioning and submerging the Russian account of events in the occupied town within a larger narrative of supposed “denazification.” The idea of denazification has been a consistent thread woven through Russia’s deflections, fakes, and conspiracies around Ukraine since 2014. It is a notion that gives Russia permission to commit every moral transgression in pursuit of its goals.

The denazification narrative paints anyone who supports a sovereign Ukraine as an unrepentant Nazi or Banderite, a reference to supporters of Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. Efforts to undermine Ukrainian identity by painting it as besmirched by a peculiarly ethnic—even fascist—bent have been used since Ukraine first voted for independence in 1991 and during the Orange Revolution. However, such accusations accelerated in 2014 following the Revolution of Dignity that swept a new pro-Western government into power and sparked Russia’s intervention in the Donbas and annexation of Crimea. Putin set the tone during a speech in March 2014, when he justified his annexation of Crimea by claiming Ukrainians were intent on killing and expelling all Russians: “Everyone can already tell exactly what they will do next, these Ukrainian heirs to the Bandera ideology, to a man who collaborated with Hitler during World War II … they will try to create an ethnically pure Ukrainian state.”
:thunk:

Sanctions don't work. That's why Russia is now hiding it's economic information, even internally!
https://twitter.com/ChadBown/status/1517823080051130368?s=20&t=pnLiLXmA4gqhVW4ACumFaA
Article: https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia..._mobilewebshare

quote:

In recent days, authorities stopped publishing data on government debt, trade statistics and oil production. The central bank limited the volume of financial information that local banks have to publish regularly while lawmakers are working on a bill banning lenders from sharing data with foreign states.
I'd appreciate input from any econ goons on this move

KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 23, 2022

jazzyhattrick
Jul 1, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

the white hand posted:

I'm enjoying the idea that Boris Johnson isn't both a coward and a scumbag. When he's courageous it's with other people's lives.

The guy's a loving prick. Unfortunately his last electoral opponent's defence policy consisted of getting rid of trident, followed presumably by bending over and asking putin to be gentle.

There are few people less qualified to be Prime Minister than Boris. Unfortunately Corbyn is one of them.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

This is a random thought after two months of this horrible and unjust mess, but it seems so crazy and unlikely that poo poo kicked off with “russian warship go gently caress yourself” and a few weeks later that actual warship got hosed over. I don’t think Clancy would come up with this poo poo.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

KitConstantine posted:

Thankfully there are some more protests popping up in Russia :unsmith:
https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1517864375352184832

Riga is not Russia.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Paladinus posted:

Riga is not Russia.

Oops my mistake. I'll correct the post

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


jazzyhattrick posted:

The guy's a loving prick. Unfortunately his last electoral opponent's defence policy consisted of getting rid of trident, followed presumably by bending over and asking putin to be gentle.

There are few people less qualified to be Prime Minister than Boris. Unfortunately Corbyn is one of them.

Yeah but a lot of Labour wanted to keep Trident, it wouldn't have actually gone anywhere.

Corbyn's labour would have been a thousand times better better than BJ, who is not only a coward and a scumbag (as a student he used to burn 50 pound notes in front of homeless people for fucks sake) but also leads a cabinet of inept psychopaths.

The only reason he's even doing the stuff he is now is to distract from his scandels at home, half of the Tory war chest is Russian money (did they ever release that report they sat on?)

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?
yeah sorry I don't make the rules, to have an effective foreign policy you simply must have a scandal prone scumbag who will jump at any opportunity to distract from them

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014


Economic data is made public to gain the confidence of international corporations, investors, and economists. This is pretty much them deciding that they'd rather have propagandistic control than the potential for foreign investment.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Paladinus posted:

Riga is not Russia.

Not yet, comrade!

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Good morning everyone, except Russian officials.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1517874325495455744?s=21&t=GpzDV6bmZ_xzzAymtyDthA

OzyMandrill
Aug 12, 2013

Look upon my words
and despair

Unkempt posted:

Apparently this is the form for the visa process:







Be annoying if you got to step 63 and your phone battery died.

Yeah, I'm going through this process at the moment and Orwellian hardly covers it.
The visa application needs to be filled in for each person, so for a mother and 2 children we had to enter the passport details for each family multiple times. Over 70 numbers entered in total. And the really fun part - the website to enter the information is privatised, and as it is a third party (lowest bidder) site, it is just a very very flaky front end. For security it is unable to receive information back from the visa system so it's one way communication only. You get no feedback for errors on a page, you get nothing. And once it has been submitted, you get a submission number, but logging in with the number tells you that nothing has been submitted, because the system can't query the state of an application.
Ok, standard comedic conservative bureaucracy so far. Now for a family of three, we have (within out facebook group of several thousands) very few actual families making it after 4 weeks. The best we seem to get is all of the visas apart from the youngest child get approved. That way, the family still won't travel, but we have a 66% successful visa pass rate apparently! I swear its off the pages of Catch 22.
It might even be slightly funny if I hadn't had to sit through half hour wait for Whatsapp to reconnect as they were trying to give me the details during an air raid in Kyiv.

OzyMandrill fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Apr 23, 2022

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

Mokotow posted:

This is a random thought after two months of this horrible and unjust mess, but it seems so crazy and unlikely that poo poo kicked off with “russian warship go gently caress yourself” and a few weeks later that actual warship got hosed over. I don’t think Clancy would come up with this poo poo.

It's even better than that since according to the official Russian explanation of the incident, the ship did gently caress itself.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




https://twitter.com/kofmanmichael/status/1517856532976881664

mobby_6kl posted:

Not yet, comrade!

Depends entirely on whom you ask.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mokotow posted:

This is a random thought after two months of this horrible and unjust mess, but it seems so crazy and unlikely that poo poo kicked off with “russian warship go gently caress yourself” and a few weeks later that actual warship got hosed over. I don’t think Clancy would come up with this poo poo.
It was sunk just as the Ukr Post was releaseing a special edition "Go gently caress yourself" stamp.

I am starting to more and more belive the people who've been arguing that we are living in a simulation.


cinci zoo sniper posted:

Depends entirely on whom you ask.
Lol, fair enouh :D

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Apr 23, 2022

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



https://twitter.com/HeleneBismarck/status/1517846781014458368

good thread and also lol @ the headline, feels rather indicative of current german concerns about scholz

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

KitConstantine posted:

Oops my mistake. I'll correct the post

No worries, an easy mistake to make with how many Russian-speaking people from Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine had to move there.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Unkempt posted:

Apparently this is the form for the visa process:







Be annoying if you got to step 63 and your phone battery died.

Most to all of that is pretty necessary info; the big fuckup is the supporting document file formatting.

jazzyhattrick
Jul 1, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Alctel posted:

Yeah but a lot of Labour wanted to keep Trident, it wouldn't have actually gone anywhere.

Corbyn's labour would have been a thousand times better better than BJ, who is not only a coward and a scumbag (as a student he used to burn 50 pound notes in front of homeless people for fucks sake) but also leads a cabinet of inept psychopaths.

The only reason he's even doing the stuff he is now is to distract from his scandels at home, half of the Tory war chest is Russian money (did they ever release that report they sat on?)

It doesn't matter whether it would have gone anywhere. Saying he wanted to get rid of it made him completely unelectable.

Hopefully Starmer will be successful at kicking the commie nutjobs responsible for the abortion that was Jeremy "Jezza" Corbyn out of the Labour party. So that the tory nightmare can finally be brought to an end.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Paladinus posted:

No worries, an easy mistake to make with how many Russian-speaking people from Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine had to move there.

2011 census data puts Russian as the primary language for 49.6% of people in Riga, which means the real number is 60-70%, due to self-censorship against xenophobia. This is way before we did get 3 Russian opposition newspapers, and began receiving various refugees or political immigrants.

The only 2 localities with higher share of Russian speakers in Latvia are my hometown and my college town. Except for my home region, Russian-Latvian is urban-rural divide basically.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

jazzyhattrick posted:

It doesn't matter whether it would have gone anywhere. Saying he wanted to get rid of it made him completely unelectable.

Hopefully Starmer will be successful at kicking the commie nutjobs responsible for the abortion that was Jeremy "Jezza" Corbyn out of the Labour party. So that the tory nightmare can finally be brought to an end.

Starmer's Labour party is indistinguishable from the tories

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Discendo Vox posted:

Most to all of that is pretty necessary info; the big fuckup is the supporting document file formatting.

I know I carry a utility bill from before the start of the year with me when running away from war as a refugee.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 23, 2022

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Paladinus posted:

No worries, an easy mistake to make with how many Russian-speaking people from Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine had to move there.

The guy who posted it is a Russian expat who's reported on Russian protests back when they still happened, so that plus undercaffination is what I'm gonna choose to blame lol

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009

jazzyhattrick posted:

It doesn't matter whether it would have gone anywhere. Saying he wanted to get rid of it made him completely unelectable.

Hopefully Starmer will be successful at kicking the commie nutjobs responsible for the abortion that was Jeremy "Jezza" Corbyn out of the Labour party. So that the tory nightmare can finally be brought to an end.

The only Labour PMs in my lifetime were Tony Blair and Gordon Brown so maybe your trash island deserves Boris Johnson and Priti Patel.

Rapulum_Dei
Sep 7, 2009

jazzyhattrick posted:

It doesn't matter whether it would have gone anywhere. Saying he wanted to get rid of it made him completely unelectable.


afaik his position was even if retained he wouldn’t use nuclear weapons under any circumstances.
Which is fine and principled and all but rather negates the idea of a deterrent.

For an avowed pacifist he spent a lot of time supporting terrorists which I imagine wouldn’t endear him to some sections of the electorate.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/


So yeah, caught between the buffon and the deep red sea.

Rapulum_Dei fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 23, 2022

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




I suggest that Corbyn chat moves to UKPol.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

KitConstantine posted:

The guy who posted it is a Russian expat who's reported on Russian protests back when they still happened, so that plus undercaffination is what I'm gonna choose to blame lol

Geographically Inept added to your title roster

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Edit: Also, a Jomini update. I have a stronger and stronger feeling that the fall of Kherson early on historians will describe as Russia’s greatest success/Ukraine’s worst mistake in the early months of war.
The Russian southern command certainly seemed the most competently run. It also helped that Ukraine only had a single mechanized brigade guarding the isthmus coming out of Crimea, so they got rolled pretty hard early on. It's kind of amazing they managed to form a defensive line back at Mykolaiyv. Re-taking Kherson is going to be difficult.

Beefeater1980 posted:

You remember that “nudge” concept that Cass Sunstein and various other well meaning liberal types were hawking in the late 00’s, where government making processes and choices easy for people would lead to a utopia where everyone recycles and helps old ladies across the street?

The real world application is realising that if you make the process awful enough, you can discourage employees from claiming expenses and immigrants from entering your country legally.

Yeah, bad UX design is often a choice and seen as a feature rather than a problem.

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/HeleneBismarck/status/1517846781014458368

good thread and also lol @ the headline, feels rather indicative of current german concerns about scholz

lol. In this timeline we literally call heads of state cowards on the front page. It's okay, he is a coward. Or a bought man. Maybe both.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


[/quote]

Alctel posted:

Yeah but a lot of Labour wanted to keep Trident, it wouldn't have actually gone anywhere.

Corbyn's labour would have been a thousand times better better than BJ, who is not only a coward and a scumbag (as a student he used to burn 50 pound notes in front of homeless people for fucks sake) but also leads a cabinet of inept psychopaths.

The only reason he's even doing the stuff he is now is to distract from his scandels at home, half of the Tory war chest is Russian money (did they ever release that report they sat on?)

Corbyn is pretty decent person, and as far as left or labor policy party leaders in advanced industrial countries go, I agree he would have been a far better PM for the British people; however, and this is a big however, he would have absolutely failed to live up to this historical moment with the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Boris Johnson is a rich, pro-capitalist, walking clown… but he’s managing to live up to the global historical moment.

My suggestion to British goons is they find a labor leader who wouldn’t have let Germany get away with invading Poland, or Russia invading Ukraine.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

"*
Ukrainian military fully controlled Bezruky, Slatyne, Prudianka in Kharkiv region
""

Sumy borders are being shelled by Nazi troops.

Aand BREAKING: Russian Ministry of Defense accusing U.S. in preparation of "provocations with weapons of mass-destruction" in Ukraine

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

"*
Ukrainian military fully controlled Bezruky, Slatyne, Prudianka in Kharkiv region
""

Sumy borders are being shelled by Nazi troops.

Aand BREAKING: Russian Ministry of Defense accusing U.S. in preparation of "provocations with weapons of mass-destruction" in Ukraine

I’ll need you to start posting source links to your tweet posts.

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Morningwoodpecker
Jan 17, 2016

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

Beefeater1980 posted:

You remember that “nudge” concept that Cass Sunstein and various other well meaning liberal types were hawking in the late 00’s, where government making processes and choices easy for people would lead to a utopia where everyone recycles and helps old ladies across the street?

The real world application is realising that if you make the process awful enough, you can discourage employees from claiming expenses and immigrants from entering your country legally.

You can also exclude a lot of the very elderly just by making it online only.

(Slightly off topic) if your customer services are bad enough and you have a premium rate complaint line your complaints department can turn a profit.

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