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Weatherlight always gets me on the MTG financial situation. A sealed box is ~$3k, a full set is ~$400
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Lmao I just realized they hosed up the flavor text formatting for the VMA version, "do" and "does" aren't supposed the be italicized
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My friends roped me back into magic a few months ago and started pressuring me to make an edh deck. I was using precons before and the games take forever, so I literally googled "decks that make edh go faster" and now I'm a Mogis player lol The deck is super fun and my friends enjoy playing against it. I'd love some feedback on my list: https://archidekt.com/decks/2627021#Mogis_Slug My goals with the deck: - Winning isn't my #1 priority; shortening games is - No discards nor land destruction since they're not fun to play against - Stay alive as long as possible, both through spells and politics to help others Go Big (TM) Wound Reflection really allows for some crazy insta-wins in combination with Havoc Festival and Hidestugu and Sanguine Bond. I keep myself alive with board wipes, Crawl Space, and No Mercy. Meekstone is probably the saltiest card but it's there to be a bigger target for removal than my other win cons. The deck is relatively slow, but by 4 mana you're putting out big threats each turn.
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Knot My President! posted:My friends roped me back into magic a few months ago and started pressuring me to make an edh deck. I was using precons before and the games take forever, so I literally googled "decks that make edh go faster" and now I'm a Mogis player lol This looks fun and annoying, I love that you put in Tree of Perdition. A shame you didn't go Tri Color and just get the guy from Commander Legends that brings back mana burn. You should also get Solider of Fortune to just keep tapping to shuffle other players' libraries after they tutor.
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Bloodchief ascension, massacre wurm, kokusho, rain of gore, painful quandary
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Weatherlight always gets me on the MTG financial situation. A sealed box is ~$3k, a full set is ~$400 It's the sort of weird situation that crops up in collectable markets, where the contents of the box doesn't matter, but instead it is the rarity of the intact and sealed box itself that leads to its value. There are ~500,000 copies of Weatherlight edition Gemstone Mines, Null Rod, etc. floating around (very bad rough estimate based on a print run of ~180 million and 167 different cards at 3 different rarities minus 25 years of wear and destruction). Because one could piece together a set from all the cards out there, a complete set is only worth so much. But, since there is a much more limited number of sealed packages out there, and these cannot be reassembled from loose cards... The sealed box could be a freak misprint and contain only copies of Benalish Infantry, and it wouldn't matter because it's never going to be opened. Of course, given that the target audience for sealed boxes is weird guys like Rudy from Alpha Investments, the price is also artificially inflated given that very few boxes are actually sold. And as anyone who has tried to liquidate a collection that should be worth X on paper, but who can only get Y for for it due to the effort of finding buyers for each piece could tell you... Like, it's cute seeing him standing in an entire room full of Theros Beyond Death, but the odds that he'll ever be able to sell all 3,000+ boxes for "what they're worth" in a few years is ridiculous. Toph Bei Fong fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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From a discord request I received: A pile of 25¢ cards that you can buy for  and get a lot of mileage out of or also buy as a gift for a new player to give them a bunch of staples.
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1) here is today’s relatively benign Commander Discourse https://twitter.com/oritart/status/1517557317713022976?s=21&t=uPCd5g0T6iX_V0tEBoTilA 2) For fans of the freaky fringe format that’s out frolicking today!!! https://twitter.com/jimtsf/status/1517859767955427329?s=21&t=uPCd5g0T6iX_V0tEBoTilA
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Bust Rodd posted:1) here is today’s relatively benign Commander Discourse Elaine is right and throws out a ton of points I've been hammering at for years. Absolute banger thread. Also, Conquest is my favorite format. I definitely recommend people give this a look of they can.
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Bust Rodd posted:1) here is today’s relatively benign Commander Discourse I am interested in what she's saying but Jesus loving Christ Twitter is the worst, the absolute worst conceivable format for this. I got about five tweets in and felt my brain melting and then it just goes on for dozens more. Just get a blog goddamn
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Heath posted:I am interested in what she's saying but Jesus loving Christ Twitter is the worst, the absolute worst conceivable format for this. I got about five tweets in and felt my brain melting and then it just goes on for dozens more. Just get a blog goddamn Twitter is a poo poo format for discourse, but nobody reads blogs, so you just make a 20 tweet thread. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Just keep scrolling down, it’s not like it requires different mechanics than any other text format to parse
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Bust Rodd posted:Just keep scrolling down, it’s not like it requires different mechanics than any other text format to parse But my fingers stopped working from all the rage of having to read words on Twitter. I had to scroll with my nose.
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Twitter is easier to parse than reddit, we all just have bbcodde boomer brain
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Isn’t there a website that turns tweet threads into a single thing
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pseudanonymous posted:Isn’t there a website that turns tweet threads into a single thing https://threadreaderapp.com https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1517557317713022976.html
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The Discourse (TM) she explains is a big reason why casual EDH (in the context of "casual" meaning anything goes, rule 0 conversation required or someone will be very mad) doesn't appeal much to me. You could be running a deck that you think is completely tame, but you'll still get someone popping their mouth off at you for interacting with them. In a sense, it feels like EDH is frequently where new players or people who tried 75-card constructed formats and got blown out hard go, because they don't yet have the piloting skill, general knowledge, card evaluation, or patience to gain the former three things through experience... which leads to them joining a format labeled "casual", which leads to a ton of really skewed expectations. Where else do you really need to have a rule 0 conversation and walk on eggshells to make sure no one feels bad because you could win earlier or interact with them? EDH is a more complex format than 75-card constructed-- there's additional rules, both in deck building and gameplay, it's got a bigger deck with cards through MTG's entire history (and therefore will potentially face literally every mechanic ever), and in that deck there's more variance due to size and less redundancy, leading to more variability (in other words, losing more), and playing against 2 more people which leads to yet MORE variability thus, your win rate is going to be 25% on average, and lower if your skill isn't on the same level as your opponents. It may be something that most of us take for granted now, but Magic is an extremely complex game! I only started playing about 6 and a half years ago, and it took me roughly half of that time to become adequate at the game and "gettin gud" is still a work in progress. To note, I dove facefirst into Modern and got my rear end kicked for a solid year before I started doing fairly well in it, but I got bored with how very repetitive it was. The fact that there's not really a format for people to cut their teeth on and really learn the ins and outs of the game without being too cutthroat is sort of unfortunate, because it's kind of why I feel EDH is where it is now, where you have groups of new and inexperienced players, casual players who don't want high power games, and higher skilled and competitive players who enjoy the format's mechanics, high power potential, and card pool all clashing together. One could argue that there's no wrong way to play a game, but first of all, it's a game and you shouldn't feel bad for wanting to win, and second of all, everyone needs to be on the same page, but since it has such a broad appeal, that's very hard to do. Perhaps some folks could popularize the idea of "role play EDH" (similar to how some MMO servers will focus more on role playing and character development), and, similar to cEDH, have its own philosophy on how decks should be be built, games should be played, and attitudes should be handled. That way people could go in with the expectation of "we're not playing to win, we're playing to make an experience that's fun for everyone and have a story to tell at the end" or something. Tangentially, I've kind of been interested in the idea of precon EDH where everyone runs an unchanged precon and are on more or less the closest possible playing field cardwise. Framboise fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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One guy in my group has a Darien, King of Kjeldor deck and I kind of want to make a Varchild deck to oppose it purely for the flavor
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Heath posted:One guy in my group has a Darien, King of Kjeldor deck and I kind of want to make a Varchild deck to oppose it purely for the flavor Do it! The more I'm thinking about it, the concept of making an EDH subformat where the goal is to tell a story instead of playing to win seems kind of neat. Not really my own style of play, but it'd make for a fun video to watch if some CCs wanted to get in on the idea. Instead of just playing commander, you ARE the commander! Get in character! Tell a story! Do some flavor wins! Or don't! Make it as goofy as you want!
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Heath posted:One guy in my group has a Darien, King of Kjeldor deck and I kind of want to make a Varchild deck to oppose it purely for the flavor This is my not very competitive Varchild build, which needs some updating https://www.moxfield.com/decks/PZmjgwIWQUeZe6zVJ8YHeg Basic plan is to fish for one of the infinite game ending combos (Dual-Caster/Twinflame or Helm/Combat Celebrant or Godo) while forcing goaded combat from your loaded up opponents. If folks have too many tokens from you, flicker Varchild to steal them all back. And, if you can and the game is going on for too long, see if you can combo off Repercussions with Blasphemous Act, Star of Extinction, or an overloaded Mizzum Mortars to kill everyone Very much a casual deck, as most cEDH folks will have ample sac outlets for the tokens you're handing out, and will benefit too much from the grouphug card draw, but for a laid back beer and peanuts type table, it's fun
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Framboise posted:Do it! The more I'm thinking about it, the concept of making an EDH subformat where the goal is to tell a story instead of playing to win seems kind of neat. Not really my own style of play, but it'd make for a fun video to watch if some CCs wanted to get in on the idea. "Today I'm playing Child of Alara as my commander because I'm a giant, angry baby." * proceeds to bitch about everyone else's commander, card, and play choices the entire game *
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Toshimo posted:Elaine is right and throws out a ton of points I've been hammering at for years. Absolute banger thread. Good discussion starters Bust! Framboise posted:The Discourse (TM) she explains is a big reason why casual EDH (in the context of "casual" meaning anything goes, rule 0 conversation required or someone will be very mad) doesn't appeal much to me. You could be running a deck that you think is completely tame, but you'll still get someone popping their mouth off at you for interacting with them. I think I agree with this and the OP of the tweet. I'm probably fairly representative of some chunk of the commander playerbase, a 30-something who played as a youth and enjoyed watching commander content on the internet and returned to the game. I never liked competitive formats, got stomped by mono-blue mill every Friday night in the 90's, and just like playing with the goofy cards I've collected. I don't want to play "cEDH" since I don't have the budget for it, nor the skills to be super competitive. I know 2 people who play Magic, but I don't have my own pod, and can really only ever wrangle one of the two people I know to go to the LGS to play with. There are two stores I bounce between, but there is one that I go to the vast majority of the time. The LGS situation kind of sucks. About half of the people that show up you know or recognize, and the other half are totally random. Pods tend to form around arrival times, and you basically never leave your pod when your game ends, because the likelihood of another pod ending at that same time is very low, and you dont want to not play so you just sit with the same 3 other people all night. The people you do tend to recognize from multiple visits, are rarely memorable for good reasons. There is one guy, we'll call him Hullbreacher Guy (HBG). HBG is always the loudest person in the store, he's always got the most expensive, spikiest deck, and he's always complaining. "WHY DID YOU TARGET ME?!" "I'M NOT THE THREAT!" "GODDD!! AREUGUGU" There isn't really a pre-game conversation from anyone, unless you are a fresh-faced 19 year old. If you play with HBG, it's assumed you are playing very incredibly spikey commander, but it 'isn't' cedh and he can complain when you combo-off or target him. Personally, I don't want to play cEDH, but just being in this thread causes you to pick stuff up so you build your deck to do something. My Hanna deck, the one I introduced in the last thread and was told it'd be a 'six if built optimally' is getting a reputation of being a "Stax Control" deck, because Hushbringer, 2x Rule of Law effects, and 3x counterspells are in it. Someone was upset that I played Solemnity, as a part of my 'dont die pillowfort' package, because being unable to put counters on his cards meant he couldn't play the game I guess. I don't really have a point here other than to echo some existing thoughts. Playing at the LGS is a crapshoot. Rule 0/pre-game conversations don't really apply at that level, and the RC sucks because they are not taking that into account. I would 100 percent play Fram's RPdh format, but even then I know people are gonna be super salty about cards doing stuff. Hell, my Hanna deck is a RPdh deck, I'm playing as Hanna and her failed attempt at stopping the Phyrexian invasion the way she would have!!!
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The Precons are actually very uneven, we tried this. Also the precons tend to include 2-4 big powerful swingy cards and games hinge on top decking these at the right time. I hated it.
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There isn't really ever going to be an in-game solution for lovely people. Trying to engineer an anti-rear end in a top hat function into a game or game format is universally a waste of time. It's also impossible to try and build a less competitive format. I mean just look at how many Commander terms are basically just denigrations of losing builds now. Voltron? Just a fun way to lose. Competition creeps in wherever a meta is at all possible. Oh there we go, maybe the ultimate Commander format is "Everyone has the same deck."
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I plan on attending the Richmond Commandfest in June and if I’ve learned anything at all it’s that you absolutely cannot curb your own fun for the benefit of strangers. If someone complains that your deck is too strong, just apologize and move on to a new table. More difficult but equally important, if I feel like a game sucks I’m just gonna scoop em up and bounce. I’m not gonna force myself to sit there and watch anyone. I expect I’ll be waiting in line to get my picture taken with cosplayers or to play against the YouTubers, but ultimately I’m not gonna tilt or be tilted by arbitrary power concerns. I have no stakes and nothing to prove to perfect strangers, just getting to play commander outside of my normal pods with a giant target on my head sounds so amazing. Ftr I see where OP is coming from but there is a degree to which she is allowing others to ruin her fun for her and I’m not very sympathetic to that mind set. Sandbagging a win is bad sportsmanship, I don’t care how bellyachey someone is gonna be, that’s just gaming/sports in general.
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Toshimo posted:Elaine is right and throws out a ton of points I've been hammering at for years. Absolute banger thread. Yup. 100% correct, every word. I don't think I've ever seen a better explanation of these issues, including every time I've tried to explain these issues.
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Bust Rodd posted:I plan on attending the Richmond Commandfest in June I looked at the guest lineup for this event and the only women guests are cosplayers. The judge kind of touched on BIPOC representation in her Twitter thread and there could stand to be more gender representation in EDH gameplay too.
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Not to interrupt Discourse but there's a card that has been burning in the back of my brain for the pure jank potential and I want to get some feedback on it. That card is  Bludgeon Brawl. I want to equip the dumbest poo poo possible onto my creatures and go to town. But I need a strategy. And it has to be dumb. Not good necessarily, but functional and stupid. As such I've settled on a few things: 1) the deck must be at least red, obviously, but I need a way to consistently get BB out and protect it. As such, I am leaning towards Boros to splash some white in and get Enchantment tutors and, where possible, include protection that white can offer to permanents. 2) I need artifacts. But I don't want to fill the deck entirely with equipment, because that's stupid. And not just any artifacts will do. I need to equip dumb poo poo.  I need to equip Vehicles. I want to hit my opponents with the goddamn Parhelion II. The point is not to crew the Vehicles. That is an option, but not the idea behind the deck. The idea is to hit people with them. There are plenty of Boros creatures who benefit from equipping lots of stuff, or benefit other creatures when they have stuff equipped, or can slide equipment around for free. As long as BB is around, I should be able to make big creatures who are hitting opponents with fleet vessels and limousines because this game is stupid. Artifact lands are also an option, because as far as I can tell there is nothing preventing me from giving Wyleth a Darksteel Citadel to smash with, except that it's got no Mana cost so it isn't going to benefit everything I equip it to. The question here is what commander(s) do I start with? I am leaning towards Rograkh and Ardenn to make use of the keywords, but is there a better candidate? What can I use to protect Bludgeon Brawl?
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Heath posted:Not to interrupt Discourse but there's a card that has been burning in the back of my brain for the pure jank potential and I want to get some feedback on it. That card is Alright, hear me out. You take the new equipment that turns a Planeswalker into a creature. You also have Liquimetal Coating and Liquimetal Torque. You put Jace and Gideon out on the field along with Bludgeon Brawl. You turn Jace into an artifact and have Gideon bludgeon people with him. The new equipment is there in case you don't have a Gideon handy.
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Heath posted:Not to interrupt Discourse but there's a card that has been burning in the back of my brain for the pure jank potential and I want to get some feedback on it. That card is First thought is Rograkh/Ardenn. You could but some big dopey artifacts in there, equip for free, and whallop with the rograkh.
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Sure Gwyn (or Sophia/Werner) as commander. WR for equipment. Black for tutors. Must haves: Armory Automaton to equip all your opponents artifacts. Puresteel Paladin to draw a million cards. Academy Manufactory Arterial Alchemy
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I'd maybe go Boros and use Heavenly Blademaster too. Make a bunch of treasure token and blood tokens and equip them all to her.
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I have to chime in to say that spiritually, the perfect commander for a Bludgeon Brawl gimmick deck seems obvious:
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He would absolutely be in the deck, just not the commander. The problem with BB is that his rocks are already Equipments.
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Is there some way you can equip all of your opponent's treasures and then benefit from having done so somehow
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For some reason I think it's important you are in Green because not only does it mean you can punch someone with the Great Henge, but also you can create some kind of screwy Megazord by equipping a bunch of Ghalta sized dinosaurs using Liquimetal shenanigans.
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You can't equip creatures. The only reason you can equip a Vehicle is because it's not a creature so long as it isn't crewed. You can however equip a Planeswalker if you Liquimetal Torque it
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Okay but what if you turn Nicol Bolas God Pharaoh into an artifact and then equipment, and then attach him to the creature Nicol Bolas and kill someone with it.
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