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Orange Devil posted:Hey Paradox I looked at some dev diary screenshots and played the leaked alpha a bit and in conclusion your game is not perfect. Pre-order cancelled + lost ability to feel human + I now own your source code But the pixelization in those screenshots looks like poo poo, and I'm glad it's being pointed out! Pointing out it looks bad is the first step to fixing it. Perhaps they already know it looks bad, in which case these comments are redundant, but since no one's been saying anything, they might think it looks fine. So, you know, worth talking about. AG3 posted:I don't know why Paradox even bothers with the big "WIP" on their screenshots.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:it’s also the game where stacking numbers is ridiculously powerful for men at arms That's true, but it's trivial to do. "Build the most buildings (in your very limited number of domain holdings) which give bonuses to my MaA (which are exclusively of one type), make sure to mix in some siege units" is a lot easier than whatever the hell it is I'm being asked to do in HoI4, wrt micromanaging armies.
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Orange Devil posted:Hey Paradox I looked at some dev diary screenshots and played the leaked alpha a bit and in conclusion your game is not perfect. Pre-order cancelled + lost ability to feel human + I now own your source code gently caress off dude lol
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Nah that’s a good post and the fact it’s making goons rage makes it even better
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victoria 3 is cancelled because you couldn't be good
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Gort posted:It's good that they continue to support their games after release. Except Imperator: Rome. 
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Mantis42 posted:victoria 3 is cancelled because you couldn't be good nooooo
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CharlestheHammer posted:Nah that’s a good post and the fact it’s making goons rage makes it even better av/post combo MonsieurChoc posted:Except Imperator: Rome. eh, pdx did support it for 2 years despite it being genuinely awful and bad on release. i remember johan really emphasized not understanding whty it wasnt good at first, talking about how it was the EU: Rome codebase and everything, which just.. i dunno. betrayed a lot about the design and support perspective they had. giving it 2 years and never really recovering player numbers is pretty fair overall.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Some of the really neat mods for HoI4 feel like a mismatch to what the game is built around, so all of the really interesting stuff is done in the focus tree, decisions menu, and event popups. Yeah I've always found it funny how HoI4 has become the go-to platform for big ambitious narrative alt-history mods, even though they generally seem to have little interest in the actual wargame part. Vic 3's systems so far seem closer to what many of those modders would probably rather be working with. TNO's entire jury-rigged macroeconomics layer comes to mind.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Except Imperator: Rome. They also bailed out on Diplomacy after like 3 patches and blamed Hasbro (which I’m sure was accurate). That was a long long time ago but it took away my ability to feel human so I haven’t forgotten.
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It still kinda amazes me that one of the best mods for any Paradox game came from a country roleplay thread on Facepunch. TNO is the only reason I ever bother to reinstall HoI4 anymore.
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:That's true, but it's trivial to do. "Build the most buildings (in your very limited number of domain holdings) which give bonuses to my MaA (which are exclusively of one type), make sure to mix in some siege units" is a lot easier than whatever the hell it is I'm being asked to do in HoI4, wrt micromanaging armies. That's the issue, a small amount of systems mastery trivialises the entire warfare system which pushes the whole interpersonal relationship system into the background. Real medieval warfare was about managing the personalities of a bunch of catty nobles while trying to stop them charging off and getting themselves killed, whereas in CK3 you just spam the best MaA and can win most conflicts.
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DaysBefore posted:It still kinda amazes me that one of the best mods for any Paradox game came from a country roleplay thread on Facepunch. TNO is the only reason I ever bother to reinstall HoI4 anymore. I've never played much HoI4 or TNO in general but looking around at the lore of that mod is a trip. Josef Mengele gets tortured to death by Idi Amin, it's pretty wild.
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Lady Radia posted:av/post combo But by the end it was getting really good!
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MonsieurChoc posted:But by the end it was getting really good! Yeah! I was coming away almost excited about it lol
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Eiba posted:I think it is in fact the perfect time to point out issues with the work while it is still in progress. No one's being hyperbolic about what it means, or is saying it's an issue that can't or won't be fixed. But personally, it seems like a pretty glaring issue that folks have been silent about until now. Like, if it was in actual Beta and a like a few months away from release, sure, I could see that. Seems a bit early to me though. My point though really was that I don't know why they bother with the WIP icon, because like the incessant repetition of the phrase "NUMBERS ARE NOT FINAL AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE" below almost every screenshot in every single dev diary, it does absolutely nothing. AG3 fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Lady Radia posted:Yeah! I was coming away almost excited about it lol MonsieurChoc posted:But by the end it was getting really good! Invictus mod is dece
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I just had the silly thought of a World of Darkness mod for Victoria, and then I realized you could probably just rename Capitalists to vampires and call it a day.
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The way the mechanics are set up vs how unfleshed out most other properties are in terms of things like demographics and trade it seems like it'll be hard for non alt just mods to come out being particularly interesting.
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Vagabong posted:That's the issue, a small amount of systems mastery trivialises the entire warfare system which pushes the whole interpersonal relationship system into the background. Real medieval warfare was about managing the personalities of a bunch of catty nobles while trying to stop them charging off and getting themselves killed, whereas in CK3 you just spam the best MaA and can win most conflicts. Oh yeah, CK3 is the "easiest" of all the Paradox games I've played by far. I was just saying that the combat system isn't terribly micro-intensive. I'd love to see an "abstracted" battle/theater system for CK3 or (in 8 years, CK4) in which securing support from relevant stakeholders in the realm before a conflict is 90% of the action. Going to war with your vassals' levies should incur a much steeper negative relations malus than it currently does. It doesn't help that a lot of the realm management was made even easier with Royal Court.
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Gaius Marius posted:The way the mechanics are set up vs how unfleshed out most other properties are in terms of things like demographics and trade it seems like it'll be hard for non alt just mods to come out being particularly interesting. eh?? what do you think will be unfleshed out re: trade and demographics on release?
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Other properties aren't fleshed out in terms of trade for example how much was written about the trade between Gondor and Rohan. Because writers focus more on exciting poo poo like troops and such it's harder to have a well fleshed out mod for a Vicky than for a hoi or CK.
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oh, i understand what you're saying. i think things like divergences offered relatively interesting settings (that they failed to ultimately capitalize on) even so, but i agree fiction-based alt hist isn't necessarily a great fit for vicky
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Not unless they’re economic thrillers
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I just had the silly thought of a World of Darkness mod for Victoria, and then I realized you could probably just rename Capitalists to vampires and call it a day. Capital is dead labour, that, vampire-like, only lives by sucking living labour, and lives the more, the more labour it sucks. The time during which the labourer works, is the time during which the capitalist consumes the labour-power he has purchased of him.
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drat I can't stop playing the leak even though it crashes constantly I'm so hyped for this game now, it's gonna be amazing One thing I hope they add before release is a dedicated screen for pop needs. Right now you can go to an individual good and it'll say "used by all strata to fulfil heating needs" but I can imagine a cool-looking screen that shows all the needs for each strata and what shortages / expenses are contributing to their current standard of living. Right now I think you have to rely on tooltips if you wanna figure out why, e.g., all the pops in your lower strata are struggling.
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I'm curious about the current version floating out there but way way too lazy to find it and install it. Glad to hear it's already got really good bones though. I'm hoping V3's release state will be more like CK3 rather than say Stellaris.
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I'm loving what I see in the dev diaries and think the changed military system has a lot of potential. The big question I have is the interplay between military fronts and logistics. It's going to have a big impact on things like colonization I know it's on the margins but I was thinking of California history at this time. In 1844 the locals in Alta California dislike the Governor appointed by the Mexican federal government and revolt. The force sent to suppress them is just 300 prisoner conscripts who are defeated, resulting in a compromise where a local Californio became governor. During the Mexican-American War the US fighting forces in California were just 6 ships and ~300 local volunteers. A lot of countries want the area (US, Mexico, Britain, Russia), but none of them have much ability to actually project force there. There are flirtations with becoming an independent republic, but the local economy is completely dominated by a handful of rancheros who end up easily sidelined by the steady stream of immigrants from the US. If they can nail a system where the US fights a civil war in the east with a total ~3,000,000 mobilized between both sides but practically can only send 1/1,000 as many around to California due to the economic cost, it'll be my dream game. Canasta_Nasty fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Apr 24, 2022 |
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Let me build the Holy State of Deseret and launch a crusade to liberate Zion (Independence, MO) from the gentiles.
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Canasta_Nasty posted:I'm loving what I see in the dev diaries and think the changed military system has a lot of potential. The big question I have is the interplay between military fronts and logistics. It's going to have a big impact on things like colonization zorro and his trusty steed tornado were also a wild card factor in all this
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Fuligin posted:zorro and his trusty steed tornado were also a wild card factor in all this Mexico should have a journal entry about the difficulties of the Federal Government controlling its far flung territory that includes masked avenger events in the periphery
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Stairmaster posted:with the mechanics as is i wonder how far you could push the start-date back (with requisite additions to the tech tree) I feel like immediately post-Waterloo is the earliest you could go, I don't think the game's equipped to handle the Napoleonic Wars very well. Maybe it could start with the Congress of Vienna if you represent the Hundred Days as journal entries rather than a war.
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i feel like there was some mode that allowed you to determine the outcome of westphilia. that seems like it would be a fun starting point, with some randomness in what happened post waterloo
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i feel like there was some mode that allowed you to determine the outcome of westphilia. that seems like it would be a fun starting point, with some randomness in what happened post waterloo Not trying to be snarky to you at all, just poking fun at ... Byzaboos? Is that a thing? AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Apr 25, 2022 |
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Byzantiophiles? Byzantiumophilia? 
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Hell yeah I’m a Byzantiphile. I think they are neat
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Poil posted:Byzantiophiles? Bynzatiumophilia? romaniacs?
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