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Rhyno posted:So some manner of hot wing? Now I want to read comics AND I'm hungry. Thanks for nothing, Rhyno.
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Surely at some point Angel's wings must've gotten hot. That seems like the kinda thing they'd do to try to make him cool, after they gave him wings made out of knives and that didn't work
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Apr 24, 2022 02:33
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Gripweed posted:Surely at some point Angel's wings must've gotten hot. That seems like the kinda thing they'd do to try to make him cool, after they gave him wings made out of knives and that didn't work They did during the Ages of Apocalypse.
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Apr 24, 2022 02:45
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Oh haven't you heard? https://twitter.com/GraymalkinP/status/1419443830173044737
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I'd forgotten about that period where Beasts brought the x-men from the past to the present to prove some sort of point. They weren't in House of X, the most recent X-Men stuff I read, so i assume they were sent back to the past. Do the X-men now remember those events from the perspective of their teen selves and their adult selves?
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Apr 24, 2022 02:51
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Nah that isn’t how time travel works in the MCU Except when it does but that’s pretty rare
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Apr 24, 2022 02:54
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Short answer is yup. Current adult Cyclops remembers hanging out with the Champions, adult Jean remembers outing Bobby to himself and Bobby remembers her doing it  , etc etc.Warren presumably remembers boinking Laura Kinney.
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Apr 24, 2022 02:56
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Yeah when the teen X-Men were sent back, their memories unlocked in their adult selves.
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Apr 24, 2022 03:01
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There are some very nice moments when adult Scott encounters the Champions and still feels a lot of fondness and loyalty towards them.
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Apr 24, 2022 03:26
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Edge & Christian was right
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Wait, did the post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe not streamline things? I guess I assumed it ignored all time traveling teen Xmen stuff.
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Apr 24, 2022 11:07
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In practice mostly what Secret Wars did was smush together the main Marvel comics universe and the Ultimate Marvel spin-off universe in order to shuffle the most popular stuff from the Ultimate comics (by that point, this just meant Miles Morales, his supporting cast, and their version of Reed Richards) over to the main continuity and kind of kibosh the rest of it.
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Apr 24, 2022 11:43
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It’s actually kind of funny how little secret wars actually accomplished in the end
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Apr 24, 2022 11:44
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So Angel got his wings from Mimic, but Mimic got his wings from copying Angel's powers, but Mimic doesn't appear in the comics until after Angel is sent back wearing Mimic's wings. So Mimic was just copying his own wings the entire time. Also I don't think the point of Secret Wars ever was to clean up continuity, since it didn't do that at all beyond bringing Miles into the 616.
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Apr 24, 2022 15:34
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I think part of what it did was allow them to say "oh that never happened" selectively in the future and lets them retcon without needing an explanation.
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Apr 24, 2022 15:37
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Angel's fire wings used to be the only thing that stuck around from Black Mirror, which tops Empyre for a story where I know things happened but couldn't tell you what.
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Apr 24, 2022 15:42
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Was empyre the evil plants or am I thinking of another giant cross over?
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Azubah posted:Was empyre the evil plants or am I thinking of another giant cross over? It was
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Apr 24, 2022 17:08
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Now wait, there was also an evil plant in the timeless Classic, Avengers the Crossing.
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Apr 24, 2022 17:18
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Jay Faeber once recommended the Harras run of Avengers which features The Crossing as formative for his own style as he said it was intense, had tight storytelling and was full of interesting interpersonal dynamics. It was none of those things.
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Apr 24, 2022 17:23
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Dawgstar posted:Jay Faeber once recommended the Harras run of Avengers which features The Crossing as formative for his own style as he said it was intense, had tight storytelling and was full of interesting interpersonal dynamics. It was none of those things. That certainly explains his Titans run.
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Apr 24, 2022 18:52
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Wait, did the post-Secret Wars Marvel Universe not streamline things? I guess I assumed it ignored all time traveling teen Xmen stuff. the run-up to, and beginning of, Secret Wars was very misleadingly, but seemingly deliberately, hyped (“the end of the Marvel Universe” and so forth)so as to imply that Marvel would be making drastic changes of some sort to its continuity, possibly even a total reboot. In reality, it changed basically nothing. For people paying close attention to Marvel’s PR wording and other books they were announcing circa early 2015, it was pretty obvious that nothing resembling a reboot was ever on the table, but some fans and even a few major media outlets like THR fell for it anyway.
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Apr 24, 2022 19:39
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Barry Convex posted:the run-up to, and beginning of, Secret Wars was very misleadingly, but seemingly deliberately, hyped (“the end of the Marvel Universe” and so forth)so as to imply that Marvel would be making drastic changes of some sort to its continuity, possibly even a total reboot. In reality, it changed basically nothing. At one point the presented it to retailers as a "No More Multiverse" event. I think I may have posted about that back then.
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Apr 24, 2022 20:32
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It literally did reboot the universe. Aside from like a dozen guys, all the characters in current Marvel comics are perfect replicas of characters who no longer exist
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Apr 24, 2022 20:40
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Barry Convex posted:the run-up to, and beginning of, Secret Wars was very misleadingly, but seemingly deliberately, hyped (“the end of the Marvel Universe” and so forth)so as to imply that Marvel would be making drastic changes of some sort to its continuity, possibly even a total reboot. In reality, it changed basically nothing. To be frank at this point I would welcome a hard reboot
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Apr 24, 2022 21:41
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A hard reboot is ultimately pointless, as when they do that stuff they tend to just go through the greatest hits so you end up in the same place
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Apr 24, 2022 21:55
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CharlestheHammer posted:A hard reboot is ultimately pointless, as when they do that stuff they tend to just go through the greatest hits so you end up in the same place the other option is what DC did with the New 52, where you end up drastically changing character origins, backstories, and relationships largely for the sake of being new and different as an end in itself. in the long run, this seems to do more to alienate existing fans than it does to bring in new or lapsed ones. In theory, maybe there's some way to thread the needle and reap the near-term sales boost from a reboot without losing current readers, but in practice, it's probably not worth the trouble, especially when there are already plenty of other options for fans of Marvel and DC characters who want stories with less continuity baggage
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Apr 24, 2022 22:29
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drrockso20 posted:To be frank at this point I would welcome a hard reboot Why?
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Apr 24, 2022 23:06
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If he wants to be Frank he can be Frank, don't question it.
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Apr 24, 2022 23:22
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two months into a hard reboot, Human Torch (the third) would open an Omni hole into 616 and all the continuity would "matter" just as much
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Apr 24, 2022 23:32
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Marvel couldn't even stick with legacy characters taking over for more than a year and a half, they aren't gonna reboot the whole universe
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Apr 24, 2022 23:35
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Rebooting the whole universe is dumb and gets you to where DC is where nobody knows what actually happened in continuity and what didn't so you have no idea what a character's actual history is.
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They should do like DC and do a hard reboot but keep everything that happened to a couple popular characters canon so the whole thing is pointless. Marvel hard reboot, except for all Spider-Man and X-men comics, those are all still canon.
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Speaking of, there are spoilers going around out there for Spider-Man and the X-Men and there are some WTF things as well as a "oh that makes perfect sense" thing
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Codependent Poster posted:Rebooting the whole universe is dumb and gets you to where DC is where nobody knows what actually happened in continuity and what didn't so you have no idea what a character's actual history is. That's only because they did an incredibly half assed job of it and tried to retain parts of the previous continuity(mostly Batman and Green Lantern stuff) and then later tried to bring back more parts and that's why it's a complete mess
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Apr 25, 2022 00:32
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i think marvel should attempt a new universe
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Apr 25, 2022 00:37
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The perfect version or Ultimate version of the 616 if you will
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drrockso20 posted:That's only because they did an incredibly half assed job of it and tried to retain parts of the previous continuity(mostly Batman and Green Lantern stuff) and then later tried to bring back more parts and that's why it's a complete mess Comics have too much continuity, it scares off casual and new readers. So we’re starting fresh, clean slate, every new #1 is a perfect starting place for someone who has never read a comic. Like this one, starring the Red Hood! What’s the Red Hood’s deal? Well,
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Writers should provide the context people need to understand their stories from within the story, and they should do it in a way that does not unnecessarily slow down the main action. OR Publishers should reset their series to a vaguely specified point in the past so most stories haven't happened, but some stories have. Exactly which can be worked out on the fly.
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Cloks posted:i think marvel should attempt a new universe A great idea. But what would you even call such a thing?
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