Ukraine: The Aristoblyats

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Elviscat: Jan 1, 2008; Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Blind Rasputin posted:

Anyone interested in this should read Arc Light by Eric Harry. Awesome book, great time to read it right now , it will absolutely terrify you. I just finished it after it was mentioned in one of the GiP threads. From its descriptions, our ICBM button pushers operate like this (again, this is from a book but it was heavily researched):

A nuclear missile field in say, Wyoming or wherever, has something like eight sets of button pusher crews strewn across it, all a hundred feet or more underground in hardened bunkers. Each of the eight is a crew of two soldiers. They don’t know wether a call to launch is real or a drill (and they get drills all the time), only the system knows. Of course, if they turn the key and the earth around them starts vibrating like hell let loose and the icbm tube statuses suddenly all start flipping over to empty… then they know. Now, in the book, a bunch of intelfaxes start coming in at the same time as the call to launch and these spooked one of the crew teams that the book follows. They, against all protocol, stop what they’re doing to check the fax. These faxes of military updates (that they’re supposed to ignore during a drill/launch) straight up tell them it’s a real strike:

It slows them down and they begin sweating literal bullets and hyperventilating but they got the keys turned and the buttons pushed.

However, the book makes it clear that these eight groups are actually in competition for, “first key turn” and the launch command system only needs two of the eight crews to complete their task and then missiles away. They train to try to beat each other and be the fastest, and so in a real world launch (wether they know it’s real or not) if one or two of the groups gets spooked and either hesitates or even stops, they just lose the race.

It’s a hell of a book. David Chandler the ROTC intel officer turned incredible tank commander is my favorite character.

The airmen that crew missiles are notoriously burnt out and miserable, there was a big scandal not long ago about them cheating on tests and loving of on watch and what not.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:02

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 11:08

Sentinel: Jan 1, 2009; High Tech
Low Life

I used to know one of the airmen who got busted running an acid and ecstacy ring in wyoming a few years ago. He was just a dumbass and didnt do anything critical.
But i still try not to think about it.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:16

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Not gonna lie, if I had been stationed at a missile silo in the middle of nowhere in my 20s, I'd do a lot of drugs too.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:25

Grip it and rip it: Apr 28, 2020

Elviscat posted:

The airmen that crew missiles are notoriously burnt out and miserable, there was a big scandal not long ago about them cheating on tests and loving of on watch and what not.

Supposedly its where the Airforce dumps a lot of their dimwits because of the banality of the position.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:28

Sentinel: Jan 1, 2009; High Tech
Low Life

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Not gonna lie, if I had been stationed at a missile silo in the middle of nowhere in my 20s, I'd do a lot of drugs too.

YUP Its exactly this.
Young men in the middle of nowhere bored as gently caress.
Its inevitable.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:29

CRUSTY MINGE: Mar 30, 2011; Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Sentinel posted:

YUP Its exactly this.
Young men in the middle of nowhere bored as gently caress.
Its inevitable.

Now that I'm on the edge of 40, I'd have no problem with being stuck in the middle of nowhere on a (generally) bullshit task. But at like, 22? My medicine cabinet would have been full of anything not identifiable by NIDA-5/NIDA-9.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:32

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

Lordy just give them a private WoW server or whatever and get the right kind of nerds for it.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:42

Prop Wash: Jun 12, 2010

Let�s not put Gamers in charge of nukes D:

Now that so many universities have online masters programs I think you just tell people you�ll pay for the degree if they go down in the hole while they work on it. That�s what half of them do anyway

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:54

Blind Rasputin: Nov 25, 2002; Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Crab Dad posted:

Lordy just give them a private WoW server or whatever and get the right kind of nerds for it.

Russia: fail deadly orders in the Bastion.

USA: missile silo full of Leroys.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:57

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

I doubt they have regular internet down in the missile holes.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 00:59

Crab Dad: Dec 28, 2002; behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB

FrozenVent posted:

I doubt they have regular internet down in the missile holes.

Private wow server. No internet needed. Team building blah blah blah. More dps. Watch the loving fire. TURN THE GODAMN KEY.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:08

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Stultus Maximus posted:

Read Chomsky for linguistics, not politics.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:11

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Crab Dad posted:

Private wow server. No internet needed. Team building blah blah blah. More dps. Watch the loving fire. TURN THE GODAMN KEY.

WWIII can wait until we down this boss.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:13

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Crab Dad posted:

Private wow server. No internet needed. Team building blah blah blah. More dps. Watch the loving fire. TURN THE GODAMN KEY.

you can reset daily lockout by turning the key

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:14

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Russia�s on fire again.

https://twitter.com/notwoofers/status/1518378495801499650?s=21&t=dp6SVHdNvabiJqDIIV0bpw

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:19

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Russia�s on fire again.

https://twitter.com/notwoofers/status/1518378495801499650?s=21&t=dp6SVHdNvabiJqDIIV0bpw

computer, please predict most likely saboteurs if ukraine is excluded

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:21

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Don't let them play EVE or you'd end up with a preemptive strike against a Russian scammer or some bullshit.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:24

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

That Works posted:

Don't let them play EVE or you'd end up with a preemptive strike against a Russian scammer or some bullshit.

christ, goonfleet are already the biggest dicks online, imagine them threatening fools with nukes

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:25

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

It�s an oil depot. Likely suspects are Russia (accidental), Ukraine, and Russia (intentional).

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:25

Icon Of Sin: Dec 26, 2008

Elviscat posted:

The airmen that crew missiles are notoriously burnt out and miserable, there was a big scandal not long ago about them cheating on tests and loving of on watch and what not.

Not just cheating, posting classified info about the nuclear weapons themselves to one of the quiz-generator websites that people normally use to study for college exams :haw:

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:26

Hannibal Rex: Feb 13, 2010

Russia has a fatal babushka gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuSmTBZuuQ

quote:

Burning bastards were in flames
Local people hurried over
They started to help
Adding oil into the fire

These gals are savage.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:34

in a well actually: Jan 26, 2011; dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Propping the door for the pizza delivery guy was my favorite. That or the guy passing fake chips at a western Iowa casino.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 01:35

Midjack: Dec 24, 2007

Prop Wash posted:

Let�s not put Gamers in charge of nukes D:

Now that so many universities have online masters programs I think you just tell people you�ll pay for the degree if they go down in the hole while they work on it. That�s what half of them do anyway

That was what my dad did in the 70s.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:16

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Blind Rasputin posted:

Anyone interested in this should read Arc Light by Eric Harry. Awesome book, great time to read it right now , it will absolutely terrify you. I just finished it after it was mentioned in one of the GiP threads. From its descriptions, our ICBM button pushers operate like this (again, this is from a book but it was heavily researched):

A nuclear missile field in say, Wyoming or wherever, has something like eight sets of button pusher crews strewn across it, all a hundred feet or more underground in hardened bunkers. Each of the eight is a crew of two soldiers. They don�t know wether a call to launch is real or a drill (and they get drills all the time), only the system knows. Of course, if they turn the key and the earth around them starts vibrating like hell let loose and the icbm tube statuses suddenly all start flipping over to empty� then they know. Now, in the book, a bunch of intelfaxes start coming in at the same time as the call to launch and these spooked one of the crew teams that the book follows. They, against all protocol, stop what they�re doing to check the fax. These faxes of military updates (that they�re supposed to ignore during a drill/launch) straight up tell them it�s a real strike:

It slows them down and they begin sweating literal bullets and hyperventilating but they got the keys turned and the buttons pushed.

However, the book makes it clear that these eight groups are actually in competition for, �first key turn� and the launch command system only needs two of the eight crews to complete their task and then missiles away. They train to try to beat each other and be the fastest, and so in a real world launch (wether they know it�s real or not) if one or two of the groups gets spooked and either hesitates or even stops, they just lose the race.

It�s a hell of a book. David Chandler the ROTC intel officer turned incredible tank commander is my favorite character.

It�s a great well researched book. I have no clue how he thought up his book Invasion? I guess he just thought well I did a lot of research on Arc Light�maybe just do an eight ball for Invasion. I feel slightly bad for that joke as the book was unavailable for years in the US (and my parents wouldn�t even let me use Amazon the. lol). Harry�s wife kindly sent me a copy when I asked about how I could buy it via the authors email address.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:20

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

I feel like you'd really want your fuel depots that you're routing the fuel for your invasion through to not blow up, but I'm no military strategy expert

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:20

Wrong Theory: Aug 27, 2005; Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code

Hannibal Rex posted:

Russia has a fatal babushka gap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yuSmTBZuuQ

These gals are savage.

Eagerly awaiting the metal remix. If only babushkas ran the world, then things would be fine. Other than we would all be fat because you're not eating enough, get seconds but don't forget dessert...

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:22

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Not gonna lie, if I had been stationed at a missile silo in the middle of nowhere in my 20s, I'd do a lot of drugs too.

Honestly with the US military I�m just surprised there isn�t an area of the silo covered in�biological material� because it�s used like a watch tower in Afghanistan.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:25

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

christ, goonfleet are already the biggest dicks online, imagine them threatening fools with nukes

Reddit alliances exist. Also 4chan ones. Or atleast they did

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:25

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Honestly with the US military I�m just surprised there isn�t an area of the silo covered in�biological material� because it�s used like a watch tower in Afghanistan.

cummies

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:27

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ukraine is just next level. I�m wondering if this was based on shared intel? I know there has been a concern (at least initially) in doing things that would allow cross border strikes into Russia.

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1518400917841891334?s=21&t=dp6SVHdNvabiJqDIIV0bpw

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:28

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1518213277515497472

# ? Apr 25, 2022 02:33

goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Marshal Prolapse posted:

It�s a great well researched book. I have no clue how he thought up his book Invasion? I guess he just thought well I did a lot of research on Arc Light�maybe just do an eight ball for Invasion. I feel slightly bad for that joke as the book was unavailable for years in the US (and my parents wouldn�t even let me use Amazon the. lol). Harry�s wife kindly sent me a copy when I asked about how I could buy it via the authors email address.

She didn�t want her copy either.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:05

Nuclear Tourist: Apr 7, 2005

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Ukraine is just next level. I�m wondering if this was based on shared intel? I know there has been a concern (at least initially) in doing things that would allow cross border strikes into Russia.

https://twitter.com/osinttechnical/status/1518400917841891334?s=21&t=dp6SVHdNvabiJqDIIV0bpw

Looks like a pipeline under pressure sprung a leak, maybe? Fire looks like it has a relatively small footprint, but is extremely intense.

Feels vaguely surreal to see a crazy fire like this in a densely packed urban area and just no sound in the background apart from low-key burning noise ambiance. No sirens, no alarms, nothing.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1518399428436107264

edit: oh poo poo

https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/1518396384180908040

Nuclear Tourist fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Apr 25, 2022

# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:13

Nuclear Tourist: Apr 7, 2005

If that really was a major piece of petroleum infrastructure pumping Russian hydrocarbons into Europe then some people in the decision making circles in Germany (and other countries) are probably sweating bullets right about now.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:32

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Nuclear Tourist posted:

Looks like a pipeline under pressure sprung a leak, maybe? Fire looks like it has a relatively small footprint, but is extremely intense.

Feels vaguely surreal to see a crazy fire like this in a densely packed urban area and just no sound in the background apart from low-key burning noise ambiance. No sirens, no alarms, nothing.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1518399428436107264

edit: oh poo poo

https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/1518396384180908040

Nuclear Tourist posted:

If that really was a major piece of petroleum infrastructure pumping Russian hydrocarbons into Europe then some people in the decision making circles in Germany (and probably several other countries) are probably sweating bullets right about now.

honestly if i was ukraine i'd be loving bombing the poo poo out of that pipeline to get everyone off the benches

# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:34

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I was thinking about this a day or two ago as a way to short circuit the Germans and Austrians.

Can�t pay in rubles if there isn�t anything to buy!
Tappinghead.gif.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 03:50

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Oh to be a fly on the wall during discussions between Europe (especially Germany) and Ukraine if the Ukrainians started talking about hitting gas pipeline infrastructure in Russia, or just went ahead and succeeded.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 05:19

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

I've been thinking about it, and I don't even know if I can say they'd be wrong to do it.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 05:23

CainFortea: Oct 15, 2004

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

I've been thinking about it, and I don't even know if I can say they'd be wrong to do it.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 05:25

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 11:08

Raged: Jul 21, 2003; A revolution of beats

Marshal Prolapse posted:

It�s a great well researched book. I have no clue how he thought up his book Invasion? I guess he just thought well I did a lot of research on Arc Light�maybe just do an eight ball for Invasion. I feel slightly bad for that joke as the book was unavailable for years in the US (and my parents wouldn�t even let me use Amazon the. lol). Harry�s wife kindly sent me a copy when I asked about how I could buy it via the authors email address.

Figures that Arc Light is not available in Australia.

# ? Apr 25, 2022 07:21

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