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jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

So if I resign after 1.e4 I can, infact, own 1.e4. I look forward to seeing you all in court.

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fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

i love nfts

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face

jiggerypokery posted:

So if I resign after 1.e4 I can, infact, own 1.e4. I look forward to seeing you all in court.

Fine by me, I only play 1.d4

D34THROW
Jan 29, 2012

RETAIL RETAIL LISTEN TO ME BITCH ABOUT RETAIL
:rant:

jesus WEP posted:

you can mint any game you play as an nft and sell it. idk whether the right goes to white or black or the person who won the game or just whoever clicks buton first. stopped reading before that bit, all sounded too stupid

You have got to be loving kidding me, gently caress this stupid world :negative:


Bad With Money thread is thataway

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




I'm curious for Hikaru's take because in the past he has been negative towards NFTs.

Burden
Jul 25, 2006

I just emailed support to completely opt out


Chess.com posted:

If you would like to completely opt-out of the Treasure Chess Service, including the ability for your opponents to mint your games, please contact us at support@chess.com
Upon sufficient notice, we will honor your request and, within 72 hours of receiving your request, prevent third parties (including your game opponents) from minting an NFT on our Service of any game that you played.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

It's cute they think anyone is going to

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Burden posted:

I just emailed support to completely opt out

Same. Though I can’t imagine someone going through the effort to mint a game against a random 1300. :shrug:

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

fisting by many posted:

I guess chess.com is selling NFTs now, or planning to

https://www.chess.com/legal/user-agreement

I've gone and closed my account, lichess is good enough.

This just demonstrates that multiple months of direct continual negative press is not enough to dissuade some dumbfucks.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So Ding Liren has played a bunch of events in China to get the number of games he needed to get the last spot in Candidates, while retaining the required rating.

Is there ever any accusation of Chinese players throwing to get their best player into the Candidates, or are his results easily consistent with his strength relative to his opponents?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OHO9yRaeE

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




His results are easily consistent with his strength. The games were NOT to boost his rating into the qualification spot, but rather to get him the requisite number of recent games needed since he hadn't been able to play because of Covid travel restrictions. Which itself was a dumb requirement considering the situation.

Also Hikaru wasn't going to qualify for the Grand Prix also because of recent activity requirements, and for him that requirement was basically waived by getting the President's invitation spot. And he proved he deserved it despite the pandemic inactivity by winning the event.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Does this cycle feel like one of the most exciting and interesting Candidates in a while, or about the same as usual?

Sub Rosa
Jun 9, 2010




I'm excited personally because Hikaru seems to be in good form and I would love for him to become challenger. Or even World Champ if Magnus actually doesn't defend. I think it's poo poo that Karjakin had his spot taken from him, but really I'm glad Ding is getting the spot.

Alireza is worth being excited to see because he briefly made it world no 2, but he did so on the backs of competition much less skilled than what he will face at the Candidates. I predict he will be second to last in the field when all is said and done. But then plenty of other people think he is the outright favorite. I do think he is a future World Champ but I think he needs more seat time against Super GMs.

I'll miss Levon and Shak for sure.

I think the last candidates getting split in two because of the pandemic was really rough, but I was pretty excited for the one before that.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Zwabu posted:

Does this cycle feel like one of the most exciting and interesting Candidates in a while, or about the same as usual?

Candidates is always a good time, though I suspect we're going to go a while before getting a Candidates as good as the one where Carlsen and Kramnik finished at 8.5, Aronian and Svidler at 8.

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
Candidates is always great and has been better than the actual WC for like the last however long.

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013
Occasionally when I analyze my games, the engine will call some opening book moves inaccuracies.
Here's an example from today: https://lichess.org/sdlNh2Ih, where it doesn't like 5. Be2.

I'm aware that engine evaluations shouldn't be taken literally for human play, especially for openings like the King's Indian where it doesn't like Black in general. But my question is, do these evaluations represent the "actual" state of computer play, or is it an artifact of this particular run? I'm not sure exactly how Lichess does its analysis; IIRC they use donated CPU time for decently deep runs. Does that even matter for openings, or does Stockfish use opening books? In this example it wants to play 5. h3 which is a real line but the 4th most common in Lichess's masters database (with the best results for White apparently).

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Redmark posted:

Occasionally when I analyze my games, the engine will call some opening book moves inaccuracies.
Here's an example from today: https://lichess.org/sdlNh2Ih, where it doesn't like 5. Be2.

I'm aware that engine evaluations shouldn't be taken literally for human play, especially for openings like the King's Indian where it doesn't like Black in general. But my question is, do these evaluations represent the "actual" state of computer play, or is it an artifact of this particular run? I'm not sure exactly how Lichess does its analysis; IIRC they use donated CPU time for decently deep runs. Does that even matter for openings, or does Stockfish use opening books? In this example it wants to play 5. h3 which is a real line but the 4th most common in Lichess's masters database (with the best results for White apparently).

I believe this is because be2 in this position is evaluated at +0.5 at the specific depth the engine runs the analysis. However, if you run this on the lichess stockfish out to depth 33 the computer realizes that the position is actually +0.7. Since before be2 the evaluation was +0.7 and you end up with a swing of -0.2, that qualifies as an inaccuracy. Lichess checks for inaccuracies by comparing two calculations called "winning chances" and determines the proportion of change between them, in this case 10% change is an inaccuracy, 20% change is a mistake and 30% change is a blunder, with special cases hard coded in such as if you miss a mate or blunder a mate:

https://github.com/lichess-org/lila/blob/master/modules/analyse/src/main/Advice.scala

This move is a few centipawns away from being a mistake because the engine doesn't go to enough depth to realize the true evaluation.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
apparently russia has banned chess.com, for having pro-ukrainian news announcements and interviews

given that russia has blocked the nft supporting anarcho-capitalists at chess.com, but continues to allow access to the free, and therefore socialist, lichess shows once again that when you play on lichess you're siding with the godless soviets

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015




Been a while since I posted a checkmate I liked but here's a knight move + double bishop finish (well the dark square bishop isn't doing anything in this particular shot but they helped shove the king towards the end to the left)

Artelier fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Apr 25, 2022

Redmark
Dec 11, 2012

This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013

Salt Fish posted:

I believe this is because be2 in this position is evaluated at +0.5 at the specific depth the engine runs the analysis. However, if you run this on the lichess stockfish out to depth 33 the computer realizes that the position is actually +0.7. Since before be2 the evaluation was +0.7 and you end up with a swing of -0.2, that qualifies as an inaccuracy. Lichess checks for inaccuracies by comparing two calculations called "winning chances" and determines the proportion of change between them, in this case 10% change is an inaccuracy, 20% change is a mistake and 30% change is a blunder, with special cases hard coded in such as if you miss a mate or blunder a mate:

https://github.com/lichess-org/lila/blob/master/modules/analyse/src/main/Advice.scala

This move is a few centipawns away from being a mistake because the engine doesn't go to enough depth to realize the true evaluation.

Thanks, that makes sense.
Today I learned Lichess is written in Scala. I haven't thought about that language in ages. It's pretty cool that it seems mostly a one man show.

Maugrim
Feb 16, 2011

I eat your face
NFTs, loving hell. I'm enrolled in a couple of long running daily tournaments on chess.com that I hate to abandon but it's not like I'm paying for membership at least. I guess it's time I started playing properly on lichess. Does it have a decent pool of daily/correspondence players and user-organised custom tournaments?

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
some crazy thing

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

apparently russia has banned chess.com, for having pro-ukrainian news announcements and interviews

given that russia has blocked the nft supporting anarcho-capitalists at chess.com, but continues to allow access to the free, and therefore socialist, lichess shows once again that when you play on lichess you're siding with the godless soviets

:sickos:

Maugrim posted:

NFTs, loving hell. I'm enrolled in a couple of long running daily tournaments on chess.com that I hate to abandon but it's not like I'm paying for membership at least. I guess it's time I started playing properly on lichess. Does it have a decent pool of daily/correspondence players and user-organised custom tournaments?

Last I checked (which was years ago), lichess does not have a great correspondence pool. There's also no matchmaking, you see a list of seeks and you pick one.

I emailed chess.com to opt out of their NFTs. Still haven't gotten back to me yet. If they don't, I have no qualms with deleting my account.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

qsvui posted:

:sickos:

Last I checked (which was years ago), lichess does not have a great correspondence pool. There's also no matchmaking, you see a list of seeks and you pick one.

The bolded part is wrong.

On the home page you can toggle between Quick Pairing (what you seek), Lobby (where you see what matches are available according to search parameters you set and pick one), and Correspondence.

The home page stays on whatever you last used, so if you use the lobby you won't see the Quick Pairing menu unless you choose that toggle.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
some crazy thing

Zwabu posted:

The bolded part is wrong.

On the home page you can toggle between Quick Pairing (what you seek), Lobby (where you see what matches are available according to search parameters you set and pick one), and Correspondence.

I meant there's no auto-pairing for the correspondence mode like there is for daily games in chess.com. Just checked again and it's still just a lobby :smith:

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Zwabu posted:

So Ding Liren has played a bunch of events in China to get the number of games he needed to get the last spot in Candidates, while retaining the required rating.

Is there ever any accusation of Chinese players throwing to get their best player into the Candidates, or are his results easily consistent with his strength relative to his opponents?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OHO9yRaeE

check out some of the games he played this month, i don’t think anyone is throwing anything. there’s some great stuff in there and it doesn’t look like some of the wins came easily at all

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut
In case folks like HK have aspirations of making it big:
https://lichess.org/blog/YmXOfxEAAB4AJh8A/announcing-the-lichess-world-championship

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

I'm still in the mid 800s for rating, got within spitting distance of 900 but fell back down but I feel like I've got a much stronger grasp on the fundamentals and am trying to experiment with new openings so I'm not being so hard on myself anymore that I haven't shot up to a 1400 in a month or anything like that.

So I've been experimenting with the Indian Defense now when playing black and just had this game I'm very proud of with a 96.6 accuracy(!!!) He resigned right as I was moving to mate him. Maybe nothing too amazing, but it's just very exciting when I get a game like this with an accuracy that high.

I also made a Lichess account too finally. This one was on chess.com but gonna start trying to do more on Lichess since it seems that's where y'all prefer.

dhamster
Aug 5, 2013

I got into my car and ate my chalupa with a feeling of accomplishment.
https://lichess.org/DVuvDyu5/black#30

White did 1. c4 in this bullet game so I decided to play a Reversed Grand Prix. Sicilian players at my level don't know what the gently caress they're supposed to do against the Grand Prix Attack, so I guess that counts double for English Opening players.



They resigned at the position below, which I thought was premature because I was only up a pawn, but the evaluation put me at -6.



My guess is that it's because my pieces were a lot more active, my rooks/queens were connected, one of his doubled c pawns was very weak, and even though he still had a bishop pair, his fianchetto bishop was walled off from really doing anything. Plus I could probably do Ng4 Qh5 and threaten mate, or at least mess with his queen safety.

Stockfish said I avoided doing any inaccuracies which I thought was neat.

In other news I've kind of been in a slump the past few days with my chess but I'm trying not to sweat it. I made it above 1300 recently so I can probably get back there, though.

dhamster fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Apr 29, 2022

Artelier
Jan 23, 2015


Just got my first ever smothered mate!



former glory
Jul 11, 2011

I only ever see them in the corners. Great mate.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

So I’ve been thinking about movies and shows that are centered around chess.

The best known are probably Searching for Bobby Fischer and The Queen’s Gambit.

Here are some others, if anyone has seen any of them would you care to comment or vouch for the quality or lack thereof? Or have others to add to the list?

Pawn Sacrifice https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1596345/

The Luzhin Defence https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211492/

Queen to Play https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082009/

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




if we include shogi, there's a couple great manga/anime. Shion no O and March Comes In Like a Lion.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Zwabu posted:

So I’ve been thinking about movies and shows that are centered around chess.

Since stage musicals definitely count as a "show", there's an obvious one:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical)

It's a Cold War musical character drama about a world chess championship. A couple of notes in case you're thinking of looking it up: 1) it helps if you like 80s music because it can get extremely 80s, and 2) you probably want the original London production, not the Broadway one. (You want the black album cover with the blowing-away chessboard, not the white one with the flags.)

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Powered Descent posted:

Since stage musicals definitely count as a "show", there's an obvious one:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_(musical)

It's a Cold War musical character drama about a world chess championship. A couple of notes in case you're thinking of looking it up: 1) it helps if you like 80s music because it can get extremely 80s, and 2) you probably want the original London production, not the Broadway one. (You want the black album cover with the blowing-away chessboard, not the white one with the flags.)

Agreed on all counts. I got to play in the pit for this once, and it was incredibly fun.

nrook
Jun 25, 2009

Just let yourself become a worthless person!
I enjoyed Queen of Katwe. I would not call it a great movie; it's definitely a Disney sports movie and it doesn't really succeed at making chess cinematic. But the depiction of life in a Ugandan slum was interesting and enjoyable.

Carbolic
Apr 19, 2007

This song is about how America chews the working man up and spits him in the dirt to die
There was a Columbo episode with a chess champion killer but I've only seen clips on Youtube.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
Chess Madness (dir. Vsevolod Pudovkin, 1925)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iazkKVOWlz8

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
There is the short run TV series Endgame. This was the era of House, the cantankerous genius who solves mystery. Here we have Arkady Balagan, former world chess champion, who refuses to leave his hotel after his wife was murdered. He gets roped into solving mysteries because he needs a way to pay his ever-escalating hotel bill.

I was paid $50 to review the pilot script for chess accuracy. One of my notes was made into dialogue in a later episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7dNIiDnrs

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Hand Knit posted:

Chess Madness (dir. Vsevolod Pudovkin, 1925)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iazkKVOWlz8

is that the Russian version of Reefer Madness?

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Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Hand Knit posted:

There is the short run TV series Endgame. This was the era of House, the cantankerous genius who solves mystery. Here we have Arkady Balagan, former world chess champion, who refuses to leave his hotel after his wife was murdered. He gets roped into solving mysteries because he needs a way to pay his ever-escalating hotel bill.

I was paid $50 to review the pilot script for chess accuracy. One of my notes was made into dialogue in a later episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7dNIiDnrs

Time to update your IMDB page

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