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Gripweed posted:Comics have too much continuity, it scares off casual and new readers. So we’re starting fresh, clean slate, every new #1 is a perfect starting place for someone who has never read a comic. Like this one, starring the Red Hood! What’s the Red Hood’s deal? Well, That's actually another part of the problem, DC shouldn't have started off the line with 52 different books right out of the gate, should have been like 8 to 12 books max covering core heroes and concepts and only gradually introduce more books over time, same for this hypothetical Marvel Reboot
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Codependent Poster posted:Speaking of, there are spoilers going around out there for Spider-Man and the X-Men and there are some WTF things as well as a "oh that makes perfect sense" thing wait spoilers for what now
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Apr 25, 2022 01:19
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The Spider-Man/Venom FCBD issue and the Avengers/X-Men FCBD issue
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sheesh, really got my hopes up there for a sec
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Apr 25, 2022 01:21
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Rhyno posted:A great idea. I'll get Jim Shooter on the phone.
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site posted:sheesh, really got my hopes up there for a sec Well I mean, you're probably gonna see Spidey and the X-Men together more in the future
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Codependent Poster posted:Well I mean, you're probably gonna see Spidey and the X-Men together more in the future Spider-Man is hooking up with Emma Frost?
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drrockso20 posted:That's actually another part of the problem, DC shouldn't have started off the line with 52 different books right out of the gate, should have been like 8 to 12 books max covering core heroes and concepts and only gradually introduce more books over time, same for this hypothetical Marvel Reboot Love that the reboot discussion is back at square one. People talking about what Marvel could do to solve the problem of long continuity after discussing what Secret Wars was, which was an event that brought into the 616 some remnants of the Ultimate universe, which originally was Marvel trying to get around the problem of long continuity by starting a new Marvel universe with a core group of a few books.
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Rhyno posted:But what would you even call such a thing? All-Star Marvel 
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Apr 25, 2022 02:50
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Apr 25, 2022 02:57
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I would call it Marvel Unlimited, imo
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Apr 25, 2022 03:01
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All new all different marvel imo
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Gripweed posted:Spider-Man is hooking up with Emma Frost? Close. Maddie is going to team up with Ben Reilly. Clone team up!
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Apr 25, 2022 03:05
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Open Marriage Night posted:Close. Who is that first person and I thought the second person was currently a bad person
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Apr 25, 2022 03:09
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I was reading The Marvels the other night and it's nuts to me that they added an entire continuity insert war that was just Vietnam but with monsters and an Invaders villain so now when you read a comic where Ben Grimm mentions him and Reed fighting in the "big one" you know he actually means "working a CIA operation with Georges Batroc, MODOK, and for some reason Johnny Blaze's motorcycle sideshow father figure." but at least nobody seems too old, because they mention that this is all happening after Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Gripweed posted:Who is that first person and I thought the second person was currently a bad person Madelyn Pryor, clone of Jean Grey, consistently bad person
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Gripweed posted:Who is that first person and I thought the second person was currently a bad person Madelyn Pryor. Clone of Jean. Goblin Queen.
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Gripweed posted:Who is that first person and I thought the second person was currently a bad person Madelyn Pryor, clone of Jean Grey who went coco nuts after finding out she's a clone of Jean Grey and turned into an evil witch lady named the Goblin Queen, so yes your second thought is also correct
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Alaois posted:Madelyn Pryor, clone of Jean Grey who went coco nuts after finding out she's a clone of Jean Grey and turned into an evil witch lady named the Goblin Queen, so yes your second thought is also correct Endless Mike posted:Madelyn Pryor, clone of Jean Grey, consistently bad person Open Marriage Night posted:Madelyn Pryor. Clone of Jean. Goblin Queen. oh hell yeah that sounds badass
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Apr 25, 2022 03:22
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Less crossovers and events, keeping creators on for longer runs, letting things get word of mouth and years of trades instead of micromanaging and shuffling everything so much. That's always the move to make it better and more accessible to me. Continuity is in an okay place. It's easy to ignore stuff they don't want to deal with, and get people up to speed for a new tale. Keep making new books starring new characters too though. We need a new rad book for the 20s! Kind of like how Darkhawk was the hero for the 90s.
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Heavy Metal posted:We need a new rad book for the 20s! Kind of like how Darkhawk was the hero for the 90s. I need to keep re-reminding myself that the New Warriors thing happened like 2 years ago now.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Madelyn Pryor. Clone of Jean. Goblin Queen. As opposed to Ben's recent psychiatrist, the Queen Goblin.
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Gripweed posted:Spider-Man is hooking up with Emma Frost? When you've had the Black Cat, the White Queen is the obvious next step.
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Karma Tornado posted:I was reading The Marvels the other night and it's nuts to me that they added an entire continuity insert war that was just Vietnam but with monsters and an Invaders villain so now when you read a comic where Ben Grimm mentions him and Reed fighting in the "big one" you know he actually means "working a CIA operation with Georges Batroc, MODOK, and for some reason Johnny Blaze's motorcycle sideshow father figure." but at least nobody seems too old, because they mention that this is all happening after Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean it's been a thing for a couple years now and it makes for a more time proof solution to the problem Vietnam's importance to early Marvel(or WWII for Reed and Ben) has than trying to port those parts forward to say Afghanistan or either Gulf War
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Karma Tornado posted:I was reading The Marvels the other night and it's nuts to me that they added an entire continuity insert war that was just Vietnam but with monsters and an Invaders villain so now when you read a comic where Ben Grimm mentions him and Reed fighting in the "big one" you know he actually means "working a CIA operation with Georges Batroc, MODOK, and for some reason Johnny Blaze's motorcycle sideshow father figure." but at least nobody seems too old, because they mention that this is all happening after Iraq and Afghanistan. The weirdest thing is that the timeline still doesn't work, it's "17 years ago", Johnny Storm is at least four years away from the origin mission, Franklin is born at least two years after that and is way older than 11 "now". Quesada should have erased Valeria and made Franklin 5 again instead of erasing the spider marriage. (I'm pretty sure that's the other genie...)
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Val rules. Leave her right where she is. Uh just not written by Slott.
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Gripweed posted:I clearly have very different taste from the mainstream of this thread, maybe I'll like all this stuff! You don't know! You guys think Kraven's Last Hunt is good and I don't like that. My dude you are gonna love Kindred so much anyway on the symbiote tip, bring back Flash Thompson and Mania hanging out and doing poo poo Marvel thetoughestbean posted:Paying for art is cool, even if the art isn’t great how many Shaggs albums do you own CharlestheHammer posted:It’s actually kind of funny how little secret wars actually accomplished in the end I'll always forgive it for being resolved by a stale cheeseburger that had been in a teenager's onesie for way too long. If only King in Black had ended the same way.
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howe_sam posted:Empyre gave us Captain Marvel's Large Kree Sister, so it was worth it for that alone.
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I mean that doesn’t mean spider man and the X-men will team up more Spider-Man villians returning only to gently caress off to other books is a running motif weirdly enough. Plus the current run seems fixated on misery porn by the solicits so that’s a thing
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I can definitely see this being an excuse for Zeb Wells to write the Hellions again while on Amazing Spider-Man.
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Open Marriage Night posted:I can definitely see this being an excuse for Zeb Wells to write the Hellions again while on Amazing Spider-Man. I have a lot of faith in Wells, but I can't say that learning more about his ASM stuff is making me more confident. Interested to read the #1 this week at least
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Lauri's catsitting adventures were my favourite part of Empyre. 
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I don't have any major notes I'd give Marvel on continuity, I just don't want them to turn into DC, where constantly doing janitorial work to clean up/alter/explain/exclude/re-introduce continuity is treated like "part of the fun" at this point
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Yeah, I prefer the general Marvel approach of just ignoring some continuity if it's irrelevant or insane. Like Carol Danvers has a loving messy backstory, but the way they handle her is much better than like, all the times DC tried to "fix" Donna Troy.
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yeah I'd rather they just kept having Tony Stark say he got blown up in a different hotspot every ten years or so while quietly ignoring the "beat the russkies to space even though that story now takes place during Obama's second term" part of the FF's origin instead of doing a DC type war in Afghaniran or Vietniraq.
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Karma Tornado posted:yeah I'd rather they just kept having Tony Stark say he got blown up in a different hotspot every ten years or so while quietly ignoring the "beat the russkies to space even though that story now takes place during Obama's second term" part of the FF's origin instead of doing a DC type war in Afghaniran or Vietniraq. Those 60s and 70s anti-Russia stories in Iron Man are back in vogue, baby!
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I have a lot of faith in Wells, but I can't say that learning more about his ASM stuff is making me more confident. Interested to read the #1 this week at least A lot of it looks pretty bad, but hopefully Wells does have a good plan in place. I can't say I've really liked what I've heard/seen so far outside of the X-Men things. I just want Peter and MJ to be together! I think eventually we'll get there, so I just hope this story surprises me in a good way and isn't just misery stuff.
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I mean they are laying it on so thick it has to be a bait and switch, but judging by the extremely weird solcits they just unveiled I’m not so sure
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I don't dig that direction either, but I'm hopeful Zeb is gonna do some cool stuff with this run. There's reshuffling so often, hopefully Zeb can have a several years cool run and this arc of terror is just the first act.
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Man, it's disappointing that even with his own show on Disney+, Moon Knight's longest-running series is barely on Marvel Unlimited. Sixty or so issues in that series and MU has four. And three of those seem like they were uploaded only because they were part of Acts of Vengeance.
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