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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is Le Pen really that bad of a candidate that she can't beat Macron?

Does she lack that "Trump charisma"?
*Make huge moves with her hands*
https://i.imgur.com/7IG9tKj.mp4

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Seems good

https://twitter.com/CiaranDold/status/1518328412942778369?t=tjnUiI7N7ceqEXP-LIp4Kg&s=19

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

punk rebel ecks posted:

Is Le Pen really that bad of a candidate that she can't beat Macron?

Does she lack that "Trump charisma"?

Imagine if the Trump family had their own party separate from the Republicans and had brought the token openly fascist candidate to every election since the 70s, with steadily increasing electoral successes (33% last time, 42% this time). She is a pretty bad campaigner, but most importantly she doesn't have the novelty he brought to his campaign. Plus French Boomers still prefer more established candidates and they're the only electorate that matters, same as everywhere else.

Anyway, US vs French politics are not that comparable because the two-party system isn't as rigid here, yet. We're heading there though because the left side of the electorate is very well trained at doing the French equivalent of Vote Blue No Matter Who, so a realignment toward something like Macron vs Le Pen was inevitable and will only get stronger in the following years. Only thing that slows it down is Macron's party is at a disadvantage in local elections against old established parties (Socialistes and Républicains) but those two ate so much poo poo this election that they'll probably negotiate something soon.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
How would Trump do against Macron?

YaketySass posted:

Imagine if the Trump family had their own party separate from the Republicans and had brought the token openly fascist candidate to every election since the 70s, with steadily increasing electoral successes (33% last time, 42% this time). She is a pretty bad campaigner, but most importantly she doesn't have the novelty he brought to his campaign. Plus French Boomers still prefer more established candidates and they're the only electorate that matters, same as everywhere else.

Anyway, US vs French politics are not that comparable because the two-party system isn't as rigid here, yet. We're heading there though because the left side of the electorate is very well trained at doing the French equivalent of Vote Blue No Matter Who, so a realignment toward something like Macron vs Le Pen was inevitable and will only get stronger in the following years. Only thing that slows it down is Macron's party is at a disadvantage in local elections against old established parties (Socialistes and Républicains) but those two ate so much poo poo this election that they'll probably negotiate something soon.

Good response. Thanks.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Lmao

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Trump would smoke Jupiter.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Is Macron going to declare himself emperor this term

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Atrocious Joe posted:

Is Macron going to declare himself emperor this term

Can't be emperor if you dress like Zelenskyi.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

his wife will die of old age and he'll turn back into rumpelstiltskin

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Lostconfused posted:

Can't be emperor if you dress like Zelenskyi.

Emperor Norton did well for himself.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

drowningidiot
Sep 27, 2014
yo can I get a Jeb! map for the French election up in this piece

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Liberalism on life support for another mandate

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

Is Macron going to declare himself emperor this term
And miss all the really lucrative post-presidency speeches to mentally challenged bankers? Depends on how well his party do this legislative cycle, which is probably not going to be nearly as good as last time. If it's pretty bad he may tempted to attempt a dissolution later this presidential cycle, but what do i know.

Toplowtech has issued a correction as of 10:28 on Apr 25, 2022

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Right now there is every chance that Macron could become the defining European figure of our age, eclipsing even Merkel, whose legacy is unraveling before our eyes. The French president is not as clever as he thinks he is. He is selfish; he is arrogant; he believes himself the center of the world. And yet, he may well become great.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
wanna kiss that frog and give it smoochies but it might be poisonous

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

Toplowtech posted:

And miss all the really lucrative post-presidency speeches to mentally challenged bankers? Depends on how well his party do this legislative cycle, which is probably not going to be nearly as good as last time. If it's pretty bad he may tempted to attempt a dissolution later this presidential cycle, but what do i know.

this didnt work for sarkozy because no one could tell if it was actually him because no one had a short enough podium

January 6 Survivor
Jan 6, 2022

The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks


( o(

if anything, he is a gerontophile

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/yuanyi_z/status/1518303183386333184?cxt=HHwWgMCyse6sjJIqAAAA

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008


This Macron guy sounds totally unhinged! Congrats to Macron on his huge win!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


this guy is definitely gonna proclaim himself emperor

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Macron is currently the only major European leader with the vision, ambition and experience to move the union decisively in this direction, but the obstacles are enormous. One of them was in plain view in Sunday’s presidential election, with the high levels both of abstention and of support for Marine Le Pen, his nationalist, nativist opponent.

Macron has the faults of his virtues. I have never seen a human being with more drive, ambition, energy and self-belief. But he can often seem arrogant, Jupiterian, neo-Napoleonic – and therefore rubs a great many of his compatriots and fellow Europeans up the wrong way. Macron’s “we” all too often sounds like the royal we, meaning me. To adapt Louis XIV: “L’Europe, c’est moi.”

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Watching this extraordinary man, I am always reminded of Jacques-Louis David’s heroic picture of Napoleon Crossing the Alps on a prancing white steed, one arm outstretched to point the way onward and upward.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Catpetter1981 posted:

Macron is currently the only major European leader with the vision, ambition and experience to move the union decisively in this direction, but the obstacles are enormous. One of them was in plain view in Sunday’s presidential election, with the high levels both of abstention and of support for Marine Le Pen, his nationalist, nativist opponent.

Macron has the faults of his virtues. I have never seen a human being with more drive, ambition, energy and self-belief. But he can often seem arrogant, Jupiterian, neo-Napoleonic – and therefore rubs a great many of his compatriots and fellow Europeans up the wrong way. Macron’s “we” all too often sounds like the royal we, meaning me. To adapt Louis XIV: “L’Europe, c’est moi.”

googled and it's the guardian lmao

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1520846148923125760

cool but maybe do it before the runoff next time

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

RealityWarCriminal posted:

cool but maybe do it before the runoff next time

not quite how it works i think; if neither the greens nor socialists put up a presidential candidate their chances at the few constituencies they'll get next month would evaporate. lil bit of a prisoner's dilemma

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
They're uniting behind Mélenchon for the parliamentary elections. He wants to get a big enough coalition together to topple En Marché's majority and be Prime Minister.

Which is quite the long shot. I don't think there has been an executive/legislative split in twenty years.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

OhFunny posted:

They're uniting behind Mélenchon for the parliamentary elections. He wants to get a big enough coalition together to topple En Marché's majority and be Prime Minister.

Which is quite the long shot. I don't think there has been an executive/legislative split in twenty years.

it sounds more like an electoral alliance than a uniting to me

they'll divvy up constituencies and not run against each other

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

OhFunny posted:

Which is quite the long shot. I don't think there has been an executive/legislative split in twenty years.
Yeah most likely scenario is EM allying with the classical rightwing parties and them spending 5 years cannibalizing each other while the country burns.
I sure wish to see the rightwingers who spent the last 30 years telling everyone we had too many beds in hospitals (we will never need that many!) back to power. After all, do you know how much the ecological transition would cost????? :suicide:
Also they (read Chirac) changed the presidential term from 7 to 5 years in a constitutional referendum which got a 30% turnout. Like gently caress that poo poo, no one was gonna vote no when the Lepens were the only one to call for No. Of course today, most political analysts recognize it was a mistake.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Toplowtech posted:

I sure wish to see the rightwingers who spent the last 30 years telling everyone we had too many beds in hospitals (we will never need that many!) back to power.

It may not be the actual same people but rightwingers who want to cut hospital beds are in power. They've never stopped doing it during the pandemic.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Kassad posted:

It may not be the actual same people but rightwingers who want to cut hospital beds are in power. They've never stopped doing it during the pandemic.
Yeah more reason not to let them regroup with the original bedslayers...

Flowers For Algeria
Dec 3, 2005

I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.


i was pretty involved in mélenchon’s campaign for the presidential election in my constituency and the news we got this morning that we’re gonna have to support some ecologist’s campaign instead of our own candidate was pretty deflating. the woman we had chosen was smart, nice and committed.

i wonder who we’ll get. in any case i’m unsure how much energy i’m gonna spend for them. if they’re from the jadot/sas tendency, they can go gently caress themselves.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

electoral alliance off to a bang of a start

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

i say swears online posted:

electoral alliance off to a bang of a start

oops! all libs!

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1522513360306249730?s=20&t=A91_mW3qJSSFU4kzE_SwGA

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Excited to get disappointed again.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Stats for Lefties

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Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Can't wait for the few local EM/RN to start calling for people to vote for the RN/EM candidate on the second turn to prevent the leftist to win.

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