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Who will win the federal Election
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Labor Majority 48 42.48%
Labor Minority 29 25.66%
Liberal Majority 3 2.65%
Liberal Minority 12 10.62%
UAP Majoirty 21 18.58%
Total: 113 votes
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Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Tehan posted:

It used to be the case and might still be the case that you could change your provider pretty easily, if you research the ones in your area you can hopefully find one that's a non-profit or not-for-profit that should hopefully be less ghoulish. The jobaccess website says that in DES you can switch up to five times no questions asked and that you can do so by calling Centrelink, so even if all of the ones you can reach are for-profit you can shop around and hopefully get someone better.

Call Centrelink? There's the catch.

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Mysticblade
Oct 22, 2012

abigserve posted:

My story about employment is that there is now an absolutely devastating lack of onshore technical specialists in Australia. Its an abject failure of our education system that we are pumping out lawyers into low paid admin jobs due to oversupply while you can't pay enough to get a person to touch computers the right way.

The chokepoint for me getting a proper computer touching job wasn't getting into uni. It was finding a proper entry level job after I graduated even though I had like 3 months experience from an internship (unpaid because I couldn't get anything better).

It ain't a problem with the uni's, companies just don't want to train graduates.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
https://twitter.com/PRGuy17/status/1518496761349697537?s=20&t=4Um7PAIqYw-nMMGjl9f2kw

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
https://twitter.com/kevinbonham/status/1518507298355748864

good poll for labor alert

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

actually, speaking of disability, does anyone itt have any experience with disability employment services? there's a royal commission going on right now that is unearthing some nasty poo poo (pack boxes for $4/hour! have a go to get a go!) but it seems to be the opinion of the public that disabled people should just suck it up and accept that slave labour is their lot in life. i have been on des for about two years now and my personal consultant is quite evil, i am blessed to have a single shining specialist who protects me from centrelink but i've seen enough of the des methodology to know they're absolutely ruining the lives of people who are more vulnerable than i am.

supported employment can pay as low as $3.5, with the participant continuing to receive their pension and the employer being subsidised by the government for taking them on. it is almost universally designed as a supported work environment for people with mental disabilities, as said, but that doesn’t stop those jobs being offered to people with physical disabilities too. I suppose it might be a less poo poo way out job search wise, as an option? tying bows on bags of lollies or assembling boxes at least isn't the worst work, as long as it isn't so mind numbing you and to try and drive your head through the wall or something.

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

the most noteworthy recent thing about my des experience was that my consultant went hard on trying to get me to work as a disability support worker. like, "you are interviewing here, they will offer you this position, and if you say no, i'm putting you down as non-compliant." she told me absolutely nothing about the role until i dug, and only begrudgingly admitted i'd be going into the homes of the highest-need, most "full on" clients to clean their kitchens and their bathrooms. which is definitely something that needs to be done - but i am disabled too, and immunocompromised (i just had covid and even triple vaxed it's kicked my rear end), and i am just not the person for that sort of job. she also told me happily that she gets "a couple of grand" for placing me. i had no opportunity to say no, and only my gp and psychologist tag-teaming to write angry letters to the provider got me out of it. now the coalition keeps bragging about how many more workers there are in disability and aged care from november last year, and i know drat well it's because they've turned the pressure on long-term centrelink recipients to do those jobs or get cut off and starve.

i ended up with a certificate from my gp saying i'm unfit to work for a few months, and my des consultant tried to convince me not to upload it lol

your consultant is right in that they can force you to attend interviews they set up for you and that you are compelled to accept any offer of suitable work you get offered. However they cannot circumvent what counts as suitable or not, that’s in legislation :

quote:

Work will be Unsuitable if it:
-aggravates a Participant’s medical illness, disability or injury
-is above the Participant’s assessed work capacity within the next two years with Intervention
-does not meet the applicable statutory conditions of work
-requires the person to change their place of residence where they are unwilling to move
-involves unreasonable commuting time from home to work (more than 60 minutes one way for PCPs and Participants with an assessed PCW)
-involves skills the Participant does not possess and appropriate training will not be provided by the Employer.

that first one, as long as you have medical people who are also on your side, can go a long way to protecting you from truly unsuitable work poo poo. And if your DES is this terrible, you really should think about dropping them like a hot potato:

quote:

If a participant is unhappy with the services they are receiving, they can change their provider at any time by calling the National Customer Service Line on 1800 805 260. Participants can change their provider five times, no questions asked, during their time in the program.

also a programme of support generally lasts 18ish months and covers a 3 year-ish period of time, afaik. it’s now mandatory to complete before you can get on the DSP, and medical suspensions of the job provider do not count towards the 18 months you need to complete.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
Samantha Maiden can suck the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat. She just put out an article accusing a restauranteur friend of mine of being a Labor stooge attempting to maliciously sway voters because, get this, she likes Albo and thinks ScoMo is a melon.

Why is this news? Because Albo is the landlord for her restaurant and news.com themselves put out an article the previous day reporting on a tiktok video she made saying that Albo was a good bloke for dropping the rent during the pandemic.

Her love of Albo is hardly a secret - she's in his electorate, has done a food collab with him and even has a picture of hot Albo on the wall of the restaurant. But because news corp journalism consists of "here's this tiktok we found" they didn't have any of that stuff in the first article they ran, which means they then can follow it up with another article that pretends she somehow deceived them.

And then the classy fucks in the editorial section give it a clickbait headline that suggests she's getting dicked down by Albo, leading to scores of the worst people in Australia to say some pretty ugly things to and about her on twitter.

Just absolutely delightful work all round by news corp and a journalistic tour de force by Maiden.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

You can see the media narrative coalescing around "we're heading for a hung parliament" which is going to turn out as badly as wrong as "we're heading for a Labor victory" in 2019 or "Turnbull will lose a few seats in the double dissolution but still have about a 10-seat majority" in 2016

Robodog
Oct 22, 2004

...how does that work?

Tehan posted:

It used to be the case and might still be the case that you could change your provider pretty easily, if you research the ones in your area you can hopefully find one that's a non-profit or not-for-profit that should hopefully be less ghoulish. The jobaccess website says that in DES you can switch up to five times no questions asked and that you can do so by calling Centrelink, so even if all of the ones you can reach are for-profit you can shop around and hopefully get someone better.

Also echoing this, church based or non profits are from anecdotal experience far less shite. There was collated table of satisfaction data covering every JSP and DES in the country somewhere that said different, but it didn't seem too crazy of an idea to me that being made to fill out a positive customer survey being forced on poor bastards in a poo poo DES so.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.

freebooter posted:

You can see the media narrative coalescing around "we're heading for a hung parliament" which is going to turn out as badly as wrong as "we're heading for a Labor victory" in 2019 or "Turnbull will lose a few seats in the double dissolution but still have about a 10-seat majority" in 2016

yeah the hung parliament narrative isn't supported by anything at all except wilful stupidity from pundits offering brilliant insight like "labor can't win with a primary vote under 40%!" (never mind that the greens exist, or that labor won with 39% in 1990) and stuff like resolve not giving a TPP figure for their polling which leads to worse-than-usual analysis from the media because they see primary votes fairly close and don't look at the other parties etc.

was that really the narrative in 2016 though, polling was pretty close for months leading up to the election so it being a very close liberal victory wasn't very surprising from what i remember.

2019 was just the polls were wrong & labor's expected victory did fit a narrative of 'chaotic government changed leaders twice and accomplished very little' so at least the media were wrong for an understandable reason

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/tom_tanuki/status/1518485392202567680

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
Yes, I'll have the chilli eggs tribute to a fictional communist invasion of America, and could I also get the imperial Japan-inspired breakfast from your child soldiers of WWI kids menu. Lest we forget.

Also any place spelling "brekky" as "breaky" should be shut down for violating the Food Standard Code.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

freebooter posted:

You can see the media narrative coalescing around "we're heading for a hung parliament" which is going to turn out as badly as wrong as "we're heading for a Labor victory" in 2019 or "Turnbull will lose a few seats in the double dissolution but still have about a 10-seat majority" in 2016

Fairly sure this is a blatant attempt to scare swing voters away from giving Labor a shot, because those are the same smooth-brained idiots that bought the Abbott narrative hook Line and sinker in 2013, ignoring the fact that the 43rd parliament represented the most effective federal governance since the Whitlam years.

Probably won't work, but I'm throwing this in the same box as "the financial press screeching at the RBA to jack up interest rates because it might scare people enough to vote for the incumbent". More bag of tricks poo poo which doesn't seem to be working but makes good ammunition for an enquiry into the media code of practice being a loving joke.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
fwiw interest rates did rise during the 2007 election campaign and it didn't damage labor

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/rhysam/status/1518415346159566848

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
Stopped reading at "country"; sounds pretty good mate.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

How oddly relevant! Gee, I wonder what common factors exist between Australia in 1964 when this was written, and 2022?



Oh.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1518553388522229761

no change to newspoll's tpp

albanese approval has gone up slightly, morrison disapproval has gone up slightly, but morrison as preferred pm has also gone up slightly

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
All I'm seeing apart from the slight but consistent growth in the Greens primary vote is variance consistent with the margin of error - not that approval ratings or PPM even matter a whole lot. A significant nosedive by either party leader's approval ratings is definitely something I'd pay attention to, but 1-2% is just noise.

Still not going to say it's in the bag, but the "Albo's horror week" narrative does not seem to have carried a lot of water outside the increasingly unhinged press corps.

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
it hurt his approval rating a fair bit last week but only barely affected the actual voting intentions

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?
I've returned to my town in regional nsw from a week long holiday in qld and there's PUP and one nation corflutes all over the place, curled around all the power poles like some kinds of hosed up plastic weeds gone feral.

What's the rules/laws around pulling them down or defacing them?

hawaiian_robot
Dec 5, 2006

And I'm happy just to sit here,
At a table with old friends.
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies

mahershalalhashbaz posted:

...i'm in another unpopular demographic. i am in the nightmare scenario right now of trying to get disability without an official diagnosis (brain injury in childhood that was officially covered up, so no paper trail). i can't work, i can't afford to live alone or like, eat, and every time i check the news i see someone going "no we are just going to keep tightening the screws on disabled people, the best support is a job!" and it pings me straight to suicidal. then i get to thinking how that would be considered mission accomplished by the people in charge; one less undesirable mouth to feed. anybody with a personal stake in anything right now is better off just tuning the gently caress out of whatever the psychopaths are saying and focusing on their real-person support networks instead.

It's pretty hosed being in the disabled category, and pretty much in the same boat as what you're describing. I'm caught in a life that's basically a waking nightmare! But I guess at least my GP has written out a confirmation of conditions, and man seeing all the diagnosed poo poo, the fact that they're basically permanent, it's a bummer. Hopefully between her, psychologist and psychiatrist can get something sorted out in terms of support.

bee posted:

I've returned to my town in regional nsw from a week long holiday in qld and there's PUP and one nation corflutes all over the place, curled around all the power poles like some kinds of hosed up plastic weeds gone feral.

What's the rules/laws around pulling them down or defacing them?

Just don't get caught I guess.

woofbro
Nov 25, 2013

bee posted:

I've returned to my town in regional nsw from a week long holiday in qld and there's PUP and one nation corflutes all over the place, curled around all the power poles like some kinds of hosed up plastic weeds gone feral.

What's the rules/laws around pulling them down or defacing them?

Apparently you can report them to Ausgrid if it’s deemed a hazard and they’ll request the party/standing member to remove them in a week or they’ll be removed and the party will be charged for removal fee.

Here’s the act here… look at 49

https://twitter.com/saharkhalilifp/status/1516994558294302720?s=21&t=ycbfmW1lFflIS2bNC-mnVg

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Spam email from a recruiting agency I used to deal with occasionally (Michael Page):



Frankly, I'd be more interested to know who the hell is in a position to "give up" a salary increase or bonus in TYOOL 2022 that isn't either a C-Suite, or fits into the catchall of "cyber security and other tech workers in critical undersupply since immigration effectively halted", who can pretty much pick and choose their employer based on their individual needs right now anyway?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Don Dongington posted:

Spam email from a recruiting agency I used to deal with occasionally (Michael Page):



Frankly, I'd be more interested to know who the hell is in a position to "give up" a salary increase or bonus in TYOOL 2022 that isn't either a C-Suite, or fits into the catchall of "cyber security and other tech workers in critical undersupply since immigration effectively halted", who can pretty much pick and choose their employer based on their individual needs right now anyway?

There are lots of people in comfortable office jobs and the like that are moving around looking for greater fulfilment at the cost of dollars rn. It's the talk of LinkedIn.

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

hawaiian_robot posted:

Just don't get caught I guess.
A friend of mine got caught messing with Liberal billboards and ended up the target of multiple hit pieces in the Herald Sun. Who tried to get her fired from her job. I know it's cliche but the Murdoch (and friends) press is such an utter cancer on this country.

Tomberforce fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 25, 2022

SecretOfSteel
Apr 29, 2007

The secret of steel has always
carried with it a mystery.


Ah! One of my favourite things about ANZAC day is the shameless cashing in.

"Fresh in our memories"...

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018


GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
Little diggers menu lmao

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018


GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
The little diggers menu is just the normal menu but a middle aged woman comes up and spits in your face if you don't order anything

Regular Wario
Mar 27, 2010

Slippery Tilde
After enjoying a meal from the little diggers menu your kids can play in the lil gallipoli sandbox

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

lih posted:

was that really the narrative in 2016 though, polling was pretty close for months leading up to the election so it being a very close liberal victory wasn't very surprising from what i remember.

My specific quote is something I distinctly remember Uhlmann saying (off the record, I don't think he ever would've committed such a firm prediction to print or broadcast) but I do remember at least in the first few weeks of the campaign the general narrative was that an early DD election was "genius" because it would allow Turnbull to clear out the recalcitrant Senate crossbench and he could "afford" to lose some lower house seats.


Is there any Australian quote hoarier than this?

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
well turnbull did have room to lose seats but it turned out much much closer than that, and the polling was super close from like a month before the election was called so it did seem pretty possible for labor to win - they weren't the favourites but there wasn't any sort of clear lead for the government.

not really surprised uhlmann could have come up with fantastic insight like that

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
My favourite part about 2016 is the way Turnbull triggered a constitutional safeguard and wiped out all of parliament and then used it to... create a few extra hours of paper work a week for unions.

Genius.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Don Dongington posted:

Spam email from a recruiting agency I used to deal with occasionally (Michael Page):



Frankly, I'd be more interested to know who the hell is in a position to "give up" a salary increase or bonus in TYOOL 2022 that isn't either a C-Suite, or fits into the catchall of "cyber security and other tech workers in critical undersupply since immigration effectively halted", who can pretty much pick and choose their employer based on their individual needs right now anyway?

For people not living paycheck to paycheck there are definitely quite a few at the moment who seem willing to take a bit less pay in exchange for conditions like WFH flexibility and 4 day weeks.

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

Absolutely vile disrespect to our diggers shown by Scott Morrison during yesterday's ANZAC memorial, where he is shown texting whilst the minutes silence is occuring
https://v.redd.it/nokht0y0arv81

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Wizard Master posted:

Absolutely vile disrespect to our diggers shown by Scott Morrison during yesterday's ANZAC memorial, where he is shown texting whilst the minutes silence is occuring
https://v.redd.it/nokht0y0arv81

Can you imagine if any Labor or Greens politician had done this.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Wizard Master posted:

Absolutely vile disrespect to our diggers shown by Scott Morrison during yesterday's ANZAC memorial, where he is shown texting whilst the minutes silence is occuring
https://v.redd.it/nokht0y0arv81

Candy Crush claims another boomer.

Animal Friend
Sep 7, 2011

https://twitter.com/AustralianLabor/status/1516709601521012741

from last week but umm... cool thread guys... reads like boomberbook posts

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Congrats to the Chaser for managing to be funny for once

https://twitter.com/ACTcameramatt/status/1518773091337650176

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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Don Dongington posted:

My favourite part about 2016 is the way Turnbull triggered a constitutional safeguard and wiped out all of parliament and then used it to... create a few extra hours of paper work a week for unions.

Genius.

I'm pretty sure the ABCC was a desperate attempt to find something to try to rally the warring factions of the party behind to consolidate his internal power. Probably best to view all policies announced by a Liberal leader from the moderate faction through that lens.

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