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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1519010138883084289?s=20&t=-9N4QJ9QxOex-5YesEAhlw Huh, this is almost 10 times more than anything I’ve seen commonly mentioned in public, almost 3 times more than the highest number I’ve seen at all. Edit: I’ll follow the thread tradition of editing snipes and remind you all to floss your teeth tonight.
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Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well.quote:Croatian President threatens to block Finland, Sweden joining Nato unless Bosnian electoral law is reformed https://yle.fi/news/3-12418999
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CommieGIR posted:Rand and Ron Paul are basically everything you'd expect from American Libertarians in that way, and their alignment with the GOP means being a liar or saying stupid poo poo is almost expected of them. "I don't think my wife should be forced to use a carseat"
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Brain65 posted:The number of soldiers is fairly small, the problem is the equipment they have. In the 90s Transnistria was the place where the 14th army was stationed with all their equipment. The 1500-2000 people they have active are actually guarding all that arsenal. And if they have enough people in Transnistria they might just stand up that whole army. Also I think the main problem is that whatever they have, it's probably more than what Moldova has, which seems to be pretty useless.
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Huh, this is almost 10 times more than anything I’ve seen commonly mentioned in public, almost 3 times more than the highest number I’ve seen at all. I'm sure it's exaggerated What worries me is that if Putin is being told he's winning the war why not push into Transnistria? It's so disorderly and I'm sure breakdowns in communication with Moscow are ubiquitous and obfuscated by the inner-circle vault.
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well. Can they just kick croatia out?
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d64 posted:This seems very silly. The worst part of it is that it could open the can of worms of more NATO members coming up with stuff they want to happen before they can ratify Fin/Swe membership. Yeah that just seems straight up insane. What is Finland or Sweden, or NATO, supposed to do about the election law in Bosnia?
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d64 posted:This seems very silly. The worst part of it is that it could open the can of worms of more NATO members coming up with stuff they want to happen before they can ratify Fin/Swe membership. It's up to our parliament, thankfully our idiot of a president has no say in this. And I voted for the guy because he didn't seem so insane.
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah that just seems straight up insane. What is Finland or Sweden, or NATO, supposed to do about the election law in Bosnia? Send a Nordic expeditionary force to de-nazify Bosnia? Actually, if all NATO members just agree to look away, maybe we can send a force to de-Zoranify Croatia... 
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Traveling from Warsaw to Berlin right now. Unlike two months ago, there are almost no Ukrainians heading west on the highway and no russian or Belarusian trucks at all. I did however see two trucks from Kazakhstan, which I never saw before in Poland. My guess is these are re-registered russian trucks. Regarding gas, listening to our media, no-one seems too worried. The common opinion seems to be we’ve been expecting the pipeline to shut down - the contract was planned to expire by the end of the year without prolonging and stopping gas now is just ripping the bandaid a bit earlier. Poland has 70% of reserves full after setting aside gas starting mid February.
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Nenonen posted:Send a Nordic expeditionary force to de-nazify Bosnia? De-Ustasify Croatia … Serbia just joined the chat
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well. I hesitate to ask, but how did he even imagine this would work? This just seem like such an insane demand.
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Where would any soldiers in Transinistria actually go? Into Ukraine? Into Moldova? Aside from some possible missile and air strikes, Ukraine hasn't actually crossed into Russia as part of the war so far, certainly not to occupy territory. If Russia tries to turn Transinistria into a new staging ground for invasion, however, couldn't that open it up to being occupied? I don't really understand the details of Romaina's relationship to Moldova, but given that they're in NATO, it seems like anything to do with Transinistria will just create another point of possible NATO involvement that has to be managed to avoid escalation.
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PederP posted:It would be far from me to steer this further into domestic US politics, but I think it is important to point out that not every US politician with Kremlin-friendly/appeasing talking points is a Russian asset. In fact, I strongly believe the majority are Koch assets. That family is highly invested in Russia - and by extension the regime (you don't get to do big business in Russia without the siloviki getting their share). Every day this war goes on with Russia being increasingly isolated and weakened, is a day they lose money. A lot of money. I'm honestly surprised they haven't been able to exert a stronger influence on the administration and congress. I guess the combined coffers, prestige and influence of parties with an interest in the US supporting Ukraine are strong enough to prevent this. A lot of the time it is portrayed like Germany is the only country with industries that are deeply reliant on Russia - but certain US-based conglomerates, most notably Koch, are every bit as exposed to Russia. And that adds an additional vector for pro-Kremlin nonsense - now that the paid Russian assets are most likely formerly paid. The Kochs aren't nearly as powerful as they were. David was the one that pushed a lot of their political activity and with him dead, Charles has scaled back their funding and apparatus pretty heavily. This is evident in Wisconsin which was their play thing for the last 25 years with the GOP there having trouble with funding raising because the money spigot dried up. Granted the damage they did will take decades to fix, if ever. No doubt they will continue to give to various people/groups to protect their business interests but the days of the Kochs funding/running the GOP is over. There isn't a Koch or Sheldon Adelson now that are funding huge apparatus and having huge sway.
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Mokotow posted:Traveling from Warsaw to Berlin right now. Unlike two months ago, there are almost no Ukrainians heading west on the highway and no russian or Belarusian trucks at all. I did however see two trucks from Kazakhstan, which I never saw before in Poland. My guess is these are re-registered russian trucks. I’m greatly enjoying the fact that Poland has better energy security and militarily logistics set up then Germany.
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well. They must have mixed the NATO council with the European parliament
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Dolash posted:Where would any soldiers in Transinistria actually go? Into Ukraine? Into Moldova?
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SlowBloke posted:They must have mixed the NATO council with the European parliament Greece blocked North Macedonia's accession to NATO for years purely over the use of the name "Macedonia." Pettiness in European relations is de rigueur.
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Nenonen posted:Send a Nordic expeditionary force to de-nazify Bosnia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_B%F8llebank
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How does this actually work? I mean, the same pipeline that delivers gas to Poland also delivers it to Berlin, correct? So they can't exactly stop sending gas through the pipe. Do they just tell Poland they're no longer allowed to have any of it?
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Saladman posted:He seems to have misspoke - he immediately says "well, part of the Soviet Union” immediately after saying "part of Russia". He’s still awful but that particular quote is missing the end of the sentence. Well good. I guess he means that Mexico is technically entitled to invade the American Southwest then. Have his immigration policy policy positions changed accordingly?
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Deteriorata posted:Greece blocked North Macedonia's accession to NATO for years purely over the use of the name "Macedonia." Pettiness in European relations is de rigueur. Yeah but that's totally reasonable.
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https://twitter.com/VolodymDubovyk/status/1519028189045084167 Ukrainian engineers work fast. Edit- Pablo Bluth posted:The most likely target seems to be the south section of Odessa. They just blew up the bridge to largely isolate it from the rest of Ukraine. Transinistris doesn't actually border that part of Ukraine, but I don't see Russia being bothered by annexing a bit more of Moldova in the process. Honestly, it's probably just to try and destroy another international rail route. I don't think Russia is going to send a naval invasion force to loop around Odesa, link up in Transnistria, then flank Odesa from the northwest. Not on any sort of a short term timetable, at least. Sure, put that out there to cause chaos or tie or defensive troops in the west or whatever, but it's some serious maneuvers that I don't Russia is capable of short term . ummel fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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Deteriorata posted:Greece blocked North Macedonia's accession to NATO for years purely over the use of the name "Macedonia." Pettiness in European relations is de rigueur. There's a difference between a NATO country blocking another country from joining NATO over something that country has control over (their own poo poo) vs. a country blocking another country from joining NATO over a third country that isn't a part of NATO and that no one in the discussion has any control over.
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Nenonen posted:Well now here's an interesting angle on Finland's NATO membership. I bet this will go well. Countries can be kicked out of NATO. Good luck on your own Croatia. That would be my solution to that threat.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Can they just kick croatia out? There're probably less heavy-handed ways to go
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Gort posted:There're probably less heavy-handed ways to go what's the phone equivalent of like when 80s parents would whap their kid upside the back of the head just a little
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Bremen posted:How does this actually work? I mean, the same pipeline that delivers gas to Poland also delivers it to Berlin, correct? So they can't exactly stop sending gas through the pipe. Do they just tell Poland they're no longer allowed to have any of it?
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Bremen posted:How does this actually work? I mean, the same pipeline that delivers gas to Poland also delivers it to Berlin, correct? So they can't exactly stop sending gas through the pipe. Do they just tell Poland they're no longer allowed to have any of it? Nope, Germany gets most of its gas from Nord Stream 1, which circumvents Poland through the Baltic Sea.
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Honj Steak posted:Nope, Germany gets most of its gas from Nord Stream 1, which circumvents Poland through the Baltic Sea. It would really be a shame if it accidentally caught on fire in a control area, you know enough to shut it down for a while, but not cause an environmental disaster.
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What the hell is this about Transnistra and Bosnia (popped up on my feed)?
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Bremen posted:How does this actually work? I mean, the same pipeline that delivers gas to Poland also delivers it to Berlin, correct? So they can't exactly stop sending gas through the pipe. Do they just tell Poland they're no longer allowed to have any of it? That's how it works afaik. I have very little understanding of how the contracts on these pipes go and I bet they're really complex, but it looks like the pipe owning company pays rent to the countries it passes through according to the deals they have, gas companies pay usage fees to the pipe owning company, and the pipe company makes sure that the gas goes to the correct recipients. Although Nord Stream 1 obviously exists so even if Poland on their part decided to close the line in response, there's still a direct pipe to Germany. Anyway, heating season is almost over so this seems like a short term symbolic gesture but a long term economic suicide. Probably the real purpose is to threaten Germany.
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Honj Steak posted:Nope, Germany gets most of its gas from Nord Stream 1, which circumvents Poland through the Baltic Sea. Doesn't the Yamal pipeline deliver gas to Germany too?
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Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1519027175369883654?s=20&t=xay4vyOKb0kZGIbnPweJJg Key passages from that article (which suggests that the claims of a shootdown of a transport plane full of VDV was accurate): quote:As Russia launched its invasion, the U.S. gave Ukrainian forces detailed intelligence about exactly when and where Russian missiles and bombs were intended to strike, prompting Ukraine to move air defenses and aircraft out of harm’s way, current and former U.S. officials told NBC News. The whole article is worth reading: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-intel-helped-ukraine-protect-air-defenses-shoot-russian-plane-carry-rcna26015
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Bulgaria joining Poland on Russia's 'We're not fired, we QUIT' list https://twitter.com/soappman/status/1519036703218053120?s=20&t=NTSYIfz4FL3pO3Zy8KIq1A
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Not an argument that gets much play, nor is it a criteria, but if a European war with Russia occurs, the ground war isn't going to occur in Germany, for instance, or France but in the east and the Baltics. So it would seem a useful question to ask is "can these fuckers fight?". It's clear Ukraine can, and historically, the Baltics have shown amazing mettle and their addition would strengthen deterrence. Which is the whole point of NATO. If I were a NATO military leader, I'd be pressing hard for their entrance, especially now.
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