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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Wrestler came out after Nacho Libre. By wrestling movie I mean one that doesn't break kayfabe. Ready to Rumble maybe?
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Apr 26, 2022 16:39
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Wrestler came out after Nacho Libre. There was also that one about the wrestling family, I think it was intended as a bio-pic about a current female WWE wrestler?
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Shanty posted:Do a full movie about the Macho Man character Spider Man wrestles in the first movie. Bonesaw is a legally distinct and wholly original character. Take it back!
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Apr 26, 2022 17:21
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Shanty posted:Do a full movie about the Macho Man character Spider Man wrestles in the first movie. The problem with that movie is the runtime. It's only THREE MINUTES (bet you just heard the voice).
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Apr 26, 2022 17:33
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Guy A. Person posted:There was also that one about the wrestling family, I think it was intended as a bio-pic about a current female WWE wrestler? Current in that she's still under contract. Sadly, her body had already broken down and forced her into retirement at 25 before the movie even came out.
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Apr 26, 2022 17:38
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thrawn527 posted:I was going to say, I have no idea who that is. Then again, I don't know who Bad Bunny is either, but that's happening more and more now because I'm old now. Back when Bad Bunny showed up in WWE, it was kind of a running gag in the threads on here to ask who he is. Glad to see he finds more fame by *checks notes* doing a remake of an episode from the fifth season of Angel?
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Apr 26, 2022 19:32
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Grendels Dad posted:Back when Bad Bunny showed up in WWE, it was kind of a running gag in the threads on here to ask who he is. Glad to see he finds more fame by *checks notes* doing a remake of an episode from the fifth season of Angel? He's still more famous and well known than the character he's playing
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Apr 26, 2022 19:34
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My favorite take on the casting (take is from a gay man, not a homophobe)
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Apr 26, 2022 20:05
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Everything about the El Muerto announcement has me thinking someone at Sony doesn't know which day April Fools is on.
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Apr 26, 2022 20:48
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Apr 26, 2022 20:49
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Grendels Dad posted:Everything about the El Muerto announcement has me thinking someone at Sony doesn't know which day April Fools is on. As someone who actually knows who Bad Bunny is this is 1000% an example of stunt casting to sell an entire movie. BB is loving *huuuuuge* in Latin American/Spanish-speaking countries. Like loving colossal. He had a music video made with the Simpsons, he showed up for a cameo in Narcos, performed on SNL, he just doesn’t appeal to most of the demographic of this board.
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Apr 26, 2022 20:51
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Regardless of the fact that the character is known or not, it's still a movie about a lucha libre played by a pop star and Spider-Man is tangentially involved somehow. Sounds fun and not too far off from all those lucha movies from decades past.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:15
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Maybe he'll follow in the footsteps of El Santo and fight vampires. I hear Sony's Spider-Man Universe has vampires.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:18
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KVeezy3 posted:Well I mean, Nolan was reacting to the history of Batman in order to generate a version that was not a complete right-wing fantasy. Snyder's approach was to dismiss that possibility altogether. Huh? Nolan's Batman is entirely defined by being a right-wing fantasy. He fights Islamic terrorists, anarchists, and communists. Snyder's Batman is right-wing in BVS but is also the villain.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:45
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Sandwolf posted:As someone who actually knows who Bad Bunny is this is 1000% an example of stunt casting to sell an entire movie. BB is loving *huuuuuge* in Latin American/Spanish-speaking countries. Like loving colossal. He had a music video made with the Simpsons, he showed up for a cameo in Narcos, performed on SNL, he just doesn’t appeal to most of the demographic of this board. This is fair, and why my comment about not knowing who BB is was tangental. Me not knowing who someone is, at this point of my life, is on me, not them. But not knowing who a comic book character is that they want to make a movie out of is kind of weird, unless the character is super new or something. I was really into Spider-Man comics when I was younger, and I've tried to stay somewhat in touch with the property since then, only falling off when my daughter was born 6 years ago. If the poster earlier was correct and he was only in 2 issues of a Spider-Man comic, that is definitely an odd choice to get their own movie. But hey, it's Sony, where odd choices live. (Glances in Morbius' general direction.)
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Joker isn't an anarchist and Bane isn't a communist. Both of them pretend to be these things or carry superficial aspects of their ideology but...they just aren't. Anarchists don't believe in playing games where one group blows up the other group. Communists don't want to give people hope only to take it away and kill them. They're both dominance "dog-eat-dog" types. One tries hide it behind someone else's ideology, and the other just doesn't give a poo poo. The movies expect you to notice that.Sandwolf posted:As someone who actually knows who Bad Bunny is this is 1000% an example of stunt casting to sell an entire movie. BB is loving *huuuuuge* in Latin American/Spanish-speaking countries. Like loving colossal. He had a music video made with the Simpsons, he showed up for a cameo in Narcos, performed on SNL, he just doesn’t appeal to most of the demographic of this board. I mean that's great and I'm happy for the exposure but Latin America is 5% of the global box office so this seems like a very weird thing to blockbuster. More power to them, I've always loved Lucha Libre whenever I've come in contact with it. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Apr 26, 2022 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:Regardless of the fact that the character is known or not, it's still a movie about a lucha libre played by a pop star and Spider-Man is tangentially involved somehow. Sounds fun and not too far off from all those lucha movies from decades past. It could be a case of what occasionally happens in Hollywood where a script goes around that execs like, but won’t green light because it’s an original property and they’re cowards, retrofit some names onto an existing IP though and sure. That’s the only slightly common sense reasoning I could think of. Especially cause Sonys license for Spider-Man characters must include Spider-Man 2099 right? I’m shocked they haven’t gone there yet outside spider verse.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Huh? Nolan's Batman is entirely defined by being a right-wing fantasy. He fights Islamic terrorists, anarchists, and communists. Hmm, I agree with you on DKR, and maaaaybe in DK, but would we call Liam Neeson, or even his public face, Ken Watanabe, Islamic Terrorists? Batman Begins is about Liam Neeson leading a group of foreigners to take down a city that he sees as being corrupt beyond saving. Batman fights to return it to the status quo where the police are in charge and the the rich and powerful of the city can run things again... Actually, I hear it now. Not about the Islamic Terrorists part, but the right-wing fantasy part.
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thrawn527 posted:This is fair, and why my comment about not knowing who BB is was tangental. Me not knowing who someone is, at this point of my life, is on me, not them. But not knowing who a comic book character is that they want to make a movie out of is kind of weird, unless the character is super new or something. I was really into Spider-Man comics when I was younger, and I've tried to stay somewhat in touch with the property since then, only falling off when my daughter was born 6 years ago. Can’t do the Zapata Brothers because they don’t own them! So they went dumpster diving for a Lucha antihero?
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massive spider posted:It could be a case of what occasionally happens in Hollywood where a script goes around that execs like, but won’t green light because it’s an original property and they’re cowards, retrofit some names onto an existing IP though and sure. The point of slapping an IP onto an existing script is to make it a character that people already know.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:59
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The point of slapping an IP onto an existing script is to make it a character that people already know. In this case, the "character" that people already know is the MCU in general. Though, it's not like that worked just now for Morbius, so this is a weird reaction to that. Actually, where did Morbius end up, box office wise? And I don't mean that weird image of it dominated the box office. I know it bombed opening weekend, but did it ever have any legs? I assume no, but I've certainly never followed up on it.
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Spermando posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu9_m0vm7fM Eric Roberts outta nowhere
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Shageletic posted:Eric Roberts outta nowhere Right? I had to back up, because I was thinking, "Hang on, is Eric Roberts the bartender? What is happening here?"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The point of slapping an IP onto an existing script is to make it a character that people already know. It’s also used to undermine any similar third party projects. I can see Sony looking at the popularity of lucha wrestling and the emergence of Latino artists on big budget projects and decided to put their fat IP finger right in the middle of the wrestling ring.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:Huh? Nolan's Batman is entirely defined by being a right-wing fantasy. He fights Islamic terrorists, anarchists, and communists. Liberals aren’t known for their love of communism, and you’re using terms like “fantasy” too loosely. A right-wing character would not do anything about ‘corrupt cops’, and would probably make a point of using a gun. The series’ right-wing character is Ras Al Gul, whose primary goal is to dehumanize poor people.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Joker isn't an anarchist and Bane isn't a communist. Both of them pretend to be these things or carry superficial aspects of their ideology but...they just aren't. TBF that's a pretty common aspect of conservative narratives about Left ideologies. That the framers of those arguments are just power-hungry demagogues, never "true believers." Think of every "anti-socialist" meme posted by conservatives in the last several years. They're usually these portraits of a kleptocracy where the revolutionaries seized everyone's wealth and the common person they pledged to elevate has even less than before. People like Bane "pretending to be Communist" is part of the rightwing fantasy, not a refutation of it. Bane's extremism also being self-serving or dishonest further justifies why Batman is correct. (The League of Shadows clearly isn't literally Islamic, but they're definitely semi-religious fanatics from The East willing to die for morally puritanical goals. It's a fair analogy.)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Liberals aren’t known for their love of communism, and you’re using terms like “fantasy” too loosely. A right-wing character would not do anything about ‘corrupt cops’, and would probably make a point of using a gun. The Nolan trilogy is from the perspective of UK Tory conservatism rather than US conservatism, and so less beholden to certain idiosyncratic commitments. Batman does not do much about corrupt cops, which are only a minor element in the first film, and by the third he is explicitly allied with the police to defeat Bane. The belief that some civil servants are corrupt is entirely digestible by right-wing worldviews. Liberals don't like communism either, but their generally stated reason it is because it correctly identifies problems but goes too far. Look at Black Panther's Killmonger for an analogous example of this (with added Pan-Africanism of course). Bane is not a well-intentioned radical who goes too far, he is simply a fraud. Correct! Ras al Ghul is right-wing, because he's a clear stand-in for Islamic fundamentalism, which right-wingers respect as an honorable but ultimately misguided force.
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Pirate Jet posted:I just find the debates completely tedious. You can do a Batman story where he's an ineffective folly by a billionaire and the appeal of the story is the same as every other flawed antihero e.g. Tony Soprano or Walter White. You can do stories where the police are corrupt and won't touch organized crime so Batman becomes the closest thing to direct action the populace has against them. You can do stories about Batman being a hero fighting space aliens and the Greek pantheon. I don't care. It's up to the audience to be able to read this poo poo and figure out which angle on this complicated and storied character they should be taking and the debates about what Batman should be are just mindless busywork that obscures this. I thought this poo poo was over when we all accepted that both Batman '66 and Batman '89 are great movies, but apparently not. I mean again, fighting the Court of Owls is the Bruce Wayne learning the wealthy around him are monsters story. It is in fact the story of Batman fighting the fellow ultra-wealthy because they're actively loving with his attempts to improve the lives of the common people via his charities etc.
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And likewise, the Joker not actually having anything to do with any kind of irl anarchism is irrelevant, because wanting to play sadistic games and blow things up for no reason is the absolute conservative and liberal definition of 'anarchist'. The point is that they are supposedly childish and doomed ideas with some superficial appeal that you need to grow out of and embrace the status quo and change so gradual it is invisible, while also being your best self and getting that money.
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Lord_Magmar posted:I mean again, fighting the Court of Owls is the Bruce Wayne learning the wealthy around him are monsters story. It is in fact the story of Batman fighting the fellow ultra-wealthy because they're actively loving with his attempts to improve the lives of the common people via his charities etc. Court of Owls has another advantage, which is thatit's plaim more exciting. There are villains that Batman needs to fight and villains that Bruce Wayne needs to fight. Rather than gettin the boring, mopey Bruce segments between the fun exciting batman segments, you can keep the whole film running at top speed. I'm gonna risk the monkey paw here and request Guy Richie do a Court of Owls batman film please and thankyou.
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Lord_Magmar posted:I mean again, fighting the Court of Owls is the Bruce Wayne learning the wealthy around him are monsters story. It is in fact the story of Batman fighting the fellow ultra-wealthy because they're actively loving with his attempts to improve the lives of the common people via his charities etc. drat, I'd heard of Court of Owls but didn't know anything about it. Now I feel compelled to check it out. That was the first run of New 52 Batman, right?
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It's why I find the Batman only beats up poor people stuff frustrating, because it isn't true for most versions of Batman anyway, but the movies don't use the villains who are actually Ultra-Wealthy like him which would show the side of him that is legitimately trying to fix Gotham with more than just violence. The new Batman movie sort of gets at this with how its framed, because it shows the only fight thing failing and ends with him resolving to save Gotham properly. But really the Court of Owls is such a good villain for Bruce Wayne and Batman, you could even tie it into Hush if you wanted. Have Thomas Elliot be working with the Court of Owls to impersonate Bruce Wayne to mess with his ability to perform good work as Bruce Wayne. Heck throw in Hugo Strange as the person who makes the Court of Owls super-assassin "Talons" and give him an obsession with creating his own version of Batman using those techniques. A movie all about the struggle for Bruce Wayne and Batman to effect actual lasting good change in a city where the rest of his hyper-rich social circle is doing everything they can to maintain the status quo that affords them wealth at the cost of the common man. With those villains literally trying to consume the Bruce Wayne and Batman image into the existing framework that supports them.
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Bruce Wayne is a billionaire, he can never be good as long as he remains a billionaire which he always will because if he wasn’t a billionaire he couldn’t be Batman. Trying to draw a distinction between the good charitable billionaire and the bad, greedy and grasping ones is fruitless. They’re all bad, pretending it’s possible to be a good one is peak liberalism.
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Moreover, I am skeptical that Batman fighting against a secret conspiracy of bad rich people who have joined in a kind of secret cabal to secretly wield power will make things less problematic.
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Spermando posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu9_m0vm7fM Not sure what the problem is? Doesn't sound any different from Sean Paul.
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Schwarzwald posted:Moreover, I am skeptical that Batman fighting against a secret conspiracy of bad rich people who have joined in a kind of secret cabal to secretly wield power will make things less problematic. Yeah, I'm reasonably sure the ending to that hypothetical movie would be incredibly awkward, at least if Batman wins and all the bad rich people are gone. It's the Superscience Utopia problem, but with wealth.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The point of slapping an IP onto an existing script is to make it a character that people already know. People don’t know El Muerte but it’s already getting more chatter than an original luchador movie would and they can technically put the marvel logo at the front.
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