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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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The New Warner/Discovery company is so heavily leveredged that they are cancelling basically everthing and praying that a new vertically integrated DCCU with merch and video game tie-ins puts the company back on their feet.

They cancelled most new HBOMax series to direct resources to the new DC HBoMax tie-ins and today they just cancelled ALL scripted TV programs at TBS and TNT.

Somehow, the most shocking part of this news to me is that they have been producing new episodes of American Dad for almost 20 years and are just now cancelling it (technically, cancelling it after its current contract expires in 2024, but still).

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1519044895817707520

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 27, 2022

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RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

quote:

Somehow, the most shocking part of this news to me is that they have been producing new episodes of American Dad for almost 20 years and are just now cancelling it (technically, cancelling it after its current contract expires in 2024, but still).

What? No, that can't be right


Oh my god

Jimbot
Jul 22, 2008

I half expected that when the new CFO came out saying that there were a lot of weird projects from the previous leadership that amounted to wasted money.

https://twitter.com/sherman4949/status/1518951682230607872

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Xealot posted:

TBF that's a pretty common aspect of conservative narratives about Left ideologies. That the framers of those arguments are just power-hungry demagogues, never "true believers." Think of every "anti-socialist" meme posted by conservatives in the last several years. They're usually these portraits of a kleptocracy where the revolutionaries seized everyone's wealth and the common person they pledged to elevate has even less than before.

People like Bane "pretending to be Communist" is part of the rightwing fantasy, not a refutation of it. Bane's extremism also being self-serving or dishonest further justifies why Batman is correct.

(The League of Shadows clearly isn't literally Islamic, but they're definitely semi-religious fanatics from The East willing to die for morally puritanical goals. It's a fair analogy.)

I never said the movies weren't right wing, I just said that Bane, Joker, and Ras aren't actually coded as Communist, Anarchist, or Islamic Terrorists (!??!?) because hey, they aren't. Bane is an Occupy guy (and was written by a guy who was obsessed about the "false liberation" he thought Occupy represented), Joker is a wrecker, and Ras is just a typical supervillain who wants millions to die for vague and foolish reasons (to "wipe out crime". lol).

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The New Warner/Discovery company is so heavily leveredged that they are cancelling basically everthing and praying that a new vertically integrated DCCU with merch and video game tie-ins puts the company back on their feet.


This probably means no Warrior Season 4, which is a tragedy.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

RBA Starblade posted:

What? No, that can't be right


Oh my god

Pilot aired in 2004 and the first season was 2005. If they cancel it after the current contract is up, it will have been 19 years and 19 seasons of American Dad.

All of it continuous, except for one 5-month period where they transitioned from Fox to TBS.

It kind of blows my mind. I remember the massive deal they made of either the first real season 1 episode or the pilot episode and they debuted it immediately after the Super bowl that year.

There would be 378 episodes of American Dad, which is just over half of the total for The Simpsons.

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Apr 27, 2022

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
American Dad is also apparently not only still good but actually better than it started, and better than Family Guy currently is.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Ghost Leviathan posted:

American Dad is also apparently not only still good but actually better than it started, and better than Family Guy currently is.

There's no comparison, American Dad has only gotten better with age

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

That blows. Hopefully American Dad can make the jump to another network. It didn't start out on TBS. Ridiculous that Futurama is gonna be getting new episodes and American Dad is getting the shaft.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Are there unironically 15+ years of American Dad I should legitimately be watching?

"Better than Family Guy" is a vague term that could set the bar very low or very high depending on who is saying it.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Are there unironically 15+ years of American Dad I should legitimately be watching?

"Better than Family Guy" is a vague term that could set the bar very low or very high depending on who is saying it.

It's legitimately and unironically great. It started out as "political" Family Guy. I remember hating the pilot back in the day. But it ended up being way zanier and way funnier than it had any right to be. I don't even think there's a specific moment where it "gets good." It's just always been on a steady quality rise. Their Christmas specials are always a highlight because Christmas is a terrible time for the family. One of them is an Escape From New York parody where the Anti-Christ is basically just The Riddler.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

This probably means no Warrior Season 4, which is a tragedy.

Oof. I’d been thinking about Raised by Wolves, but completely forgot about Warrior. Would be a shame to lose them to a refocus on cape nonsense.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Detective No. 27 posted:

It's legitimately and unironically great. It started out as "political" Family Guy. I remember hating the pilot back in the day. But it ended up being way zanier and way funnier than it had any right to be. I don't even think there's a specific moment where it "gets good." It's just always been on a steady quality rise. Their Christmas specials are always a highlight because Christmas is a terrible time for the family. One of them is an Escape From New York parody where the Anti-Christ is basically just The Riddler.

Yeah it really improved after the first season or so when Family Guy properly came back so they could do their own thing instead of trying to be slightly different Family Guy.

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006
Wait Family Guy is still on?

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Pillowpants posted:

Wait Family Guy is still on?

Holy crap

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I've been waiting for like four years for HBOMax's Circe series adaptation and if those assholes retool it so she's fighting Wonder Woman, I am going to be mad.

I think American Dad got good in the first Christmas special when they do a typical Christmas Carol parody, but when Stan is brought back in time, he runs off to go murder Jane Fonda. But then he realizes that is wrong, but in the process he accidentally got Martin Scorsese to quit coke so he never made Taxi Driver which led to Reagan not getting shot which cascades into the Soviet Union winning the cold war. So, in the end of the episode they have to go back to shoot Reagan in order to set things right. But the stinger is they didn't shoot Brady, so guns are completely free. The show was also an incubator for Gravity Falls creator, Alex Hirsch.

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Gravity Falls is fantastic

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Timeless Appeal posted:

I've been waiting for like four years for HBOMax's Circe series adaptation and if those assholes retool it so she's fighting Wonder Woman, I am going to be mad.

I think American Dad got good in the first Christmas special when they do a typical Christmas Carol parody, but when Stan is brought back in time, he runs off to go murder Jane Fonda. But then he realizes that is wrong, but in the process he accidentally got Martin Scorsese to quit coke so he never made Taxi Driver which led to Reagan not getting shot which cascades into the Soviet Union winning the cold war. So, in the end of the episode they have to go back to shoot Reagan in order to set things right. But the stinger is they didn't shoot Brady, so guns are completely free. The show was also an incubator for Gravity Falls creator, Alex Hirsch.

Yeah, their Christmas episodes are loving bonkers, in the best way possible.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

RBA Starblade posted:

Holy crap Lois

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
The announcement was for new shows and shows currently in pilot development. They haven't said anything about currently airing shows.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
Can TBS or TNT air old episodes of Legends of Tomorrow? They've reached the magic number of 100 episodes.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


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Edward Mass posted:

Can TBS or TNT air old episodes of Legends of Tomorrow? They've reached the magic number of 100 episodes.

It's owned by and produced by their parent company, so they definitely could.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

It's owned by and produced by their parent company, so they definitely could.

Then they definitely should :colbert:

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Detective No. 27 posted:

It's legitimately and unironically great. It started out as "political" Family Guy. I remember hating the pilot back in the day. But it ended up being way zanier and way funnier than it had any right to be. I don't even think there's a specific moment where it "gets good." It's just always been on a steady quality rise. Their Christmas specials are always a highlight because Christmas is a terrible time for the family. One of them is an Escape From New York parody where the Anti-Christ is basically just The Riddler.

The Christmas episodes are basically something like Treehouse of Horror episodes, but one consistent plot and also batshit insane. Also iirc there's actually a continuity for the ongoing bloody feud between the Smiths and Santa Claus.

Apparently, Stan of Arabia is considered to be about when the show was no longer just 'Family Guy but political' and blossomed into its own thing. Also kinda funny how they handle the gimmick characters; Roger being able to be anyone and do anything is pretty useful, it turns out, while there's something of an ongoing meta-joke about Klaus being useless.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler
I cannot stress how good American Dad becomes after the first season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJb1n3060w

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005

Airport Music for Black Folk

ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:

Huh? Nolan's Batman is entirely defined by being a right-wing fantasy. He fights Islamic terrorists, anarchists, and communists.

Snyder's Batman is right-wing in BVS but is also the villain.

What I wrote was towards the sentiment that the characterization of Batman as a ‘billionaire who runs around beating up poor people’ as outdated per the last few film iterations (I have not seen The Batman, so will not comment on it)

So, part of Nolan’s project of grounding Batman was the attempt to push him leftwards from the usual position, starting with his parents’ education of Bruce about the importance of public infrastructure and Rachel’s chastisement of Batman’s simplistic view of crime, which leads towards something that somewhat resembles a structural critique. We then get Batman's failed attempt to elide class struggle with the energy project, which directly leads to the story's return to the underclass with Zizek's insight of the evocative (non)image of a dictatorship of the proletariat.

With Snyder’s Batman, although we get the escalation of brutality to signify his official villain status, the critiques throughout the film still apply to all Batmans (That he could be far more effective with the Bruce Wayne persona, that there’s no such thing as a non-killing Batman, that he terrorizes the poor, that it's horrifying that he works with the cops, that his entire crusade has not accomplished anything, etc.). And it's Batman’s self-awareness of these critiques and of his impotence that necessitates the generation of a Superman figure to be murdered.

KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 28, 2022

Nucleic Acids
Apr 10, 2007

Jimbot posted:

I half expected that when the new CFO came out saying that there were a lot of weird projects from the previous leadership that amounted to wasted money.

https://twitter.com/sherman4949/status/1518951682230607872

It was so funny how CNN+ had funding yanked for it the exact second the deal went through.

So clearly the pet project of a brain dead idiot.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Nucleic Acids posted:

It was so funny how CNN+ had funding yanked for it the exact second the deal went through.

So clearly the pet project of a brain dead idiot.

There's no shortage of that in upper management.

pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



https://twitter.com/ClunkSpider/status/1519721207725281281

https://twitter.com/spectoristic/status/1519740024463724544

Raimi's comments here remind me of what Taika Waititi said in a profile that he enjoyed the process of making Ragnarok because of how easy and flexible it was. Waititi and Raimi have worked with very small budgets, where even minor tasks or changes take a ton of effort to accomplish. I'd imagine working on a movie where you have hundreds of people on hand to get things done has to be a refreshing experience, even if it's not as personal an expression as you're capable of.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003

American Dad better find a new home, dammit.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

pospysyl posted:

https://twitter.com/ClunkSpider/status/1519721207725281281

https://twitter.com/spectoristic/status/1519740024463724544

Raimi's comments here remind me of what Taika Waititi said in a profile that he enjoyed the process of making Ragnarok because of how easy and flexible it was. Waititi and Raimi have worked with very small budgets, where even minor tasks or changes take a ton of effort to accomplish. I'd imagine working on a movie where you have hundreds of people on hand to get things done has to be a refreshing experience, even if it's not as personal an expression as you're capable of.

"You're not going to have ten storyboard artists, you're going to have twenty. And they've been working for us for years before you even signed your contract."

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
First video doesn’t fill me with hope but by now we know what a Disney Marvel movie is. So eh.

Spermando
Jun 13, 2009

Freakazoid_ posted:

Not sure what the problem is? Doesn't sound any different from Sean Paul.

Must be a language thing cause to us he sounds like a nasally nerd.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

pospysyl posted:

https://twitter.com/ClunkSpider/status/1519721207725281281

https://twitter.com/spectoristic/status/1519740024463724544

Raimi's comments here remind me of what Taika Waititi said in a profile that he enjoyed the process of making Ragnarok because of how easy and flexible it was. Waititi and Raimi have worked with very small budgets, where even minor tasks or changes take a ton of effort to accomplish. I'd imagine working on a movie where you have hundreds of people on hand to get things done has to be a refreshing experience, even if it's not as personal an expression as you're capable of.

He's saying nothing most "cinema-savvy" nerds or whatever already know tbh.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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teagone posted:

He's saying nothing most "cinema-savvy" nerds or whatever already know tbh.

Yeah, it's not like "they let me do mostly what I wanted, but I couldn't completely remake the franchise" and "working with near unlimited resources is much more fun than fighting with a studio about resources all production" are super hot takes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The MCU has definitely had some cases of pulling the rug under from what they were building up because of dumb marketing reasons or something, like with Howard Stark, but I gotta say it's still shockingly cohesive for as long-running and sprawling a franchise as it is. Yeah, most of the worldbuilding stuff is puddle-deep and doesn't make any sense on thought, but that's on brand for comics.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Yeah, it's not like "they let me do mostly what I wanted, but I couldn't completely remake the franchise" and "working with near unlimited resources is much more fun than fighting with a studio about resources all production" are super hot takes.

Would make sense that Disney signs on indie darling directors with that carrot and stick; they aren't getting the creative freedom they're used to but budget and management problems can be buried under shitloads of money.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

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The one thing I wish they would have taken creative control away from Raimi on is that he said he really likes the new "RealD 3D" technology, insisted that he be allowed to shoot some scenes with that in mind, and for the movie to be made available in 3D.

Just let it die Raimi.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The one thing I wish they would have taken creative control away from Raimi on is that he said he really likes the new "RealD 3D" technology, insisted that he be allowed to shoot some scenes with that in mind, and for the movie to be made available in 3D.

Just let it die Raimi.

I'm down with 3D by directors who actually want to do it. It killed off shakeycam the first time around, at least.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Sandwolf posted:

Can’t do the Zapata Brothers because they don’t own them! So they went dumpster diving for a Lucha antihero?

My personal fan-casting of the Zapata Brothers has been Rey Fenix and Penta El Zero M. But considering they debuted in a Moon Knight comic, the idea of them popping up in a hypothetical season 2 is just too bizarre to comprehend.

Then again, they also teamed up with Deadpool once, so just toss them into Deadpool 3 and call it a day.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

I'm down with 3D by directors who actually want to do it. It killed off shakeycam the first time around, at least.

Yeah exactly. If a director wants to shoot 3D, more power to them. Look at Hugo!

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pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012



This is actually a funny bit, like the car in Lord of the Rings.

https://twitter.com/jc_leonard/status/1519987831330033664

pospysyl fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 29, 2022

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